Global Warming Update

[Canna Sylvan]

Kill all humans!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WQtRI7A064&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Gates wants to kill at least 2 billion people in the next 50 years! How fucking sick is that. Hitler would be proud. He couldn't have accomplished that in his wildest dreams. But that's Gates one wish.

 

[MuyLocoNC]

hey dumbass, which is it? is it cooling, like you started this thread claiming, or is it warming, like you now claim?

LOL!

at the start of this thread, if you click back and check your full post, you tried to blame it on....*drumroll*...THE SUN!

which is kind of funny, because we just had record temperatures despite a lull in solar irradiance.

what science do you believe in, flipping a coin to help you decide which dumbass talking points you are going to mouth vomit at us next?

go home, little boy.

It's another poor attempt of selective cut and paste to try to win a point. There was a ten year lull in global warming at the time of that post, I stand by that point, and I'm correct. I also made it clear then and just a few posts ago that we are and have been in a warming cycle. As stated, we are coming out of a mini iceage so it is to be expected. And yes, call me crazy but I do believe the giant ball of fire that provides warmth to this planet, actually has something to do with the temperature of this planet.

You can try to push the bullshit, we take certain things for granted in science argument, but you aren't going to be able to get it off the ground with that argument. If you can't PROVE that man is driving any kind of climate change, then you have ZERO basis for legislation that prevents or restricts free use of fossil fuels.

As to Pad's question, we are at least 50 years from developing an green energy source that can move a vehicle loaded with humans and equipment long distances. Sorry, there is no current alternative options to the combustion engine and no signs there will be for quite a while. Not to mention, driving around in the current class of alternative vehicles is downright foolish. You're no better off in a Volt than you are on a motorcycle, probably less so as you're likely to fall victim to the illusion of safety that being in a closed in vehicle provides.

 

[Padawanbater2]

What alternatives? Those don't exist. Believe it or not, but the gasoline combustion engine is the most efficient. Where does electricity come from for electric cars? What holds the.charge? Hydrogen fuel cell isn't that great compared to gasoline. If those alternatives were so great, they'd be selling those to rich eco loons like Bill Gates. People like Gates would love showing how well it works and make others angry that the price is too high. But that's not happening. You alternatives to gas people are the same. You tell me what's the evolution alternative. I don't know. It still needs to be found. Just like your alternative energy. Does that mean we should quit looking? No, unlike you with evolution.

They don't exist...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_in_the_United_States

"The use of wind power in the United States has expanded quickly over the last several years. Construction of new wind power generation capacity in 2011 totaled 6810 megawatts (MW) bringing the cumulative installed capacity to 46,919 MW.[SUP][1][/SUP] This capacity is exceeded only by China.[SUP][2][/SUP] In 2011 the electricty produced from wind power in the US amounted to 120 terawatt-hours (TW·h) or 2.9% of all electric power."

2.9% of ALL ELECTRIC POWER in the United States - doesn't exist...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_energy_in_the_united_states

"Geothermal power plants are largely concentrated in the western states. They are the fourth largest source of renewable electricity, after hydroelectricity, biomass, and wind power. A geothermal resource assessment shows that nine western states together have the potential to provide over 20 percent of national electricity needs."

...20% of national electricity needs WITH 9 STATES! - doesn't exist...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroelectricity_in_the_United_States

"Hydroelectric power in the United States is currently the largest producer of renewable power in the U.S. It produced around 66.8% of the total renewable power in the U.S. in 2008.[SUP][1][/SUP]
In 2008 hydroelectric produced 6.4 % of the nation's total electricity. According to IEA the United States was the 4th in the hydroelectricity power in the world in 2008 after China, Canada and Brazil. Produced hydroelectricity was 282 TWh (200. It was 8.6 % of the world total hydropower. The installed capacity was 100 GW in 2007. In 2008 the United States produced total 4 344 TWh electricity (21.5 % of the world total) and imported 33 TWh."

6.4% of the nation's total electricity, 21.5% of the WORLDS TOTAL in 2008! - doesn't exist...

Solar power - doesn't exist...

Solar photovoltaic power - doesn't exist...

Biomass... Biofuels.. - none of it exists...It's all just make believe!


Don't let facts slow you down!!

"the gasoline combustible engine is the most efficient"!!!!!! LMFAO!! Wow! You must have read that right off the back of the Exxon pamphlet, huh?

Kill all humans!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WQtRI7A064&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Gates wants to kill at least 2 billion people in the next 50 years! How fucking sick is that. Hitler would be proud. He couldn't have accomplished that in his wildest dreams. But that's Gates one wish.

Jesus man, you're all over the fuckin' place...

What the fuck does Bill fucking Gates have to do with any fucking thing we're talking about right now? Do you suffer from ADHD? First it was denying climate change, then it went to denying evolution, now you're bitching about Bill Gates??

How old are you? Do you have any kind of secondary education? How much have you actually researched these topics? Be honest.

 

[Padawanbater2]

It's another poor attempt of selective cut and paste to try to win a point. There was a ten year lull in global warming at the time of that post, I stand by that point, and I'm correct. I also made it clear then and just a few posts ago that we are and have been in a warming cycle. As stated, we are coming out of a mini iceage so it is to be expected. And yes, call me crazy but I do believe the giant ball of fire that provides warmth to this planet, actually has something to do with the temperature of this planet.

You can try to push the bullshit, we take certain things for granted in science argument, but you aren't going to be able to get it off the ground with that argument. If you can't PROVE that man is driving any kind of climate change, then you have ZERO basis for legislation that prevents or restricts free use of fossil fuels.

As to Pad's question, we are at least 50 years from developing an green energy source that can move a vehicle loaded with humans and equipment long distances. Sorry, there is no current alternative options to the combustion engine and no signs there will be for quite a while. Not to mention, driving around in the current class of alternative vehicles is downright foolish. You're no better off in a Volt than you are on a motorcycle, probably less so as you're likely to fall victim to the illusion of safety that being in a closed in vehicle provides.

What would you accept as "proof"?

 

[stoneyfockbrook]

If there is no such thing as global warming


Why do oil companys and enery giants spend so many millions of dollars trying to disprove it?

Dirty Money: Big Oil and corporate polluters spent over $500 million to kill climate bill, push offshore drilling

By Joe Romm on Sep 27, 2010 at 11:59 am


One of the biggest opponents of action on global warming has been the fossil fuels energy industry, and particularly the oil industry, such as ExxonMobil, which regularly publishes papers minimizing the threat of global warming. In 1998, the company started providing financial support to organizations and individuals who disagreed with the scientific consensus that human activities were contributing to climate change. One of the groups that received funds from the company was the Competitive Enterprise Institute. ExxonMobil also helped create the "Global Climate Science Team" whose members were active climate contrarians. According to a study by the Union of Concerned Scientists, between 1998 and 2005, ExxonMobil dispersed roughly $16 million to organizations that were challenging the scientific consensus view.[SUP][/SUP]

 

[Harrekin]

For a direct look at the atmosphere of the past, scientists drill cores through the Earth's polar ice sheets. Tiny bubbles trapped in the gas are actually pieces of the Earth's past atmosphere, frozen in time. That's how we know that the concentrations of greenhouse gases since the industrial revolution are higher than they've been for hundreds of thousands of years.

Computer models help scientists to understand the Earth's climate, or long-term weather patterns. Models also allow scientists to make predictions about the future climate. Basically, models simulate how the atmosphere and oceans absorb energy from the sun and transport it around the globe. Factors that affect the amount of the sun's energy reaching Earth's surface are what drive the climate in these models, as in real life. These include things like greenhouse gases, particles in the atmosphere, and changes in energy coming from the sun itself.

You realise those core samples you mention have sections where atmospheric greenhouse gas concentrations were 12x higher than today?

Id love to hear that explained.

Personally I think we have Man-Accelerated Global Warming, I don't think we are the cause, but we definately assist it along.

Its ok tho, an Ice Age will wipe most of us out and the world will reset itself like it has many times before.

 

[Zaehet Strife]

You realise those core samples you mention have sections where atmospheric greenhouse gas concentrations were 12x higher than today?
Id love to hear that explained.
Personally I think we have Man-Accelerated Global Warming, I don't think we are the cause, but we definately assist it along.
Its ok tho, an Ice Age will wipe most of us out and the world will reset itself like it has many times before.

yes i know, and i agree 100% its idiotic to say that humans have no effect on the climate, i don't think we humans attribute enough to make a HUGE difference, though im willing to bet there is def. some difference

 

[Harrekin]

yes i know, and i agree 100% its idiotic to say that humans have no effect on the climate, i don't think we humans attribute enough to make a HUGE difference, though im willing to bet there is def. some difference

There's certainly no denying that, and I definately want to move on from fossil fuels, but for the moment as far as cost, reliablility, ease of transport, etc there's no getting away from oil.

If fusion became our primary method of power production I believe pure electric cars would be more in use due to the availability of safe, cheap, clean electricity.

I do believe the concept of the wafer hydrogen fuel cells is probably the best for cars tho...they just gotta make em smaller and more efficient.

(For anyone unfamiliar with this concept) In summary; you put water in your car, PV panels on the roof produce power to split the water into hydrogen and oxygen. Hydrogen is burnt giving off H2O...your two emissions are water and pure oxygen...you're driving a metal tree all of a sudden

 

[NLXSK1]

Global warming update....

IT WAS 36 DEGREES IN PHOENIX THIS MORNING AND DIDNT TOP 70...

STFU about global warming!!

 

[stoneyfockbrook]

Simple experiment

1 get a joint
2 light it
3 now put a large plastic bag over you while smoking the joint

How is your enviroment?

We cannot pull the bag off the earth like you will in 5 minutes or less

 

[Harrekin]

Global warming update....

IT WAS 36 DEGREES IN PHOENIX THIS MORNING AND DIDNT TOP 70...

STFU about global warming!!

Wow, a simple answer for a simple mind You realise global warming results in extremes of temperature, not just hot all the time, right?

 

[UncleBuck]

Wow, a simple answer for a simple mind You realise global warming results in extremes of temperature, not just hot all the time, right?

he's just pulling your leg.

in case you don't know, phoenix is in the middle of a desert and in the hottest part of our country, so that's where the joking comes from.

 

[Wordz]

Simple experiment

1 get a joint
2 light it
3 now put a large plastic bag over you while smoking the joint

How is your enviroment?

We cannot pull the bag off the earth like you will in 5 minutes or less

we can shoot lasers into the ozone and cut some holes in it.

 

[jbsoriginality]

solar power does exists! it powers the photovoltaic cells on our roof that charge batterys that is then used to power our hot water heater and about 1/4 of our electric bill, we are saving up to finish installing more pv cells on the roof,which again is powered by the sun!

They don't exist...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_in_the_United_States

"The use of wind power in the United States has expanded quickly over the last several years. Construction of new wind power generation capacity in 2011 totaled 6810 megawatts (MW) bringing the cumulative installed capacity to 46,919 MW.[SUP][1][/SUP] This capacity is exceeded only by China.[SUP][2][/SUP] In 2011 the electricty produced from wind power in the US amounted to 120 terawatt-hours (TW·h) or 2.9% of all electric power."

2.9% of ALL ELECTRIC POWER in the United States - doesn't exist...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_energy_in_the_united_states

"Geothermal power plants are largely concentrated in the western states. They are the fourth largest source of renewable electricity, after hydroelectricity, biomass, and wind power. A geothermal resource assessment shows that nine western states together have the potential to provide over 20 percent of national electricity needs."

...20% of national electricity needs WITH 9 STATES! - doesn't exist...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroelectricity_in_the_United_States

"Hydroelectric power in the United States is currently the largest producer of renewable power in the U.S. It produced around 66.8% of the total renewable power in the U.S. in 2008.[SUP][1][/SUP]
In 2008 hydroelectric produced 6.4 % of the nation's total electricity. According to IEA the United States was the 4th in the hydroelectricity power in the world in 2008 after China, Canada and Brazil. Produced hydroelectricity was 282 TWh (200. It was 8.6 % of the world total hydropower. The installed capacity was 100 GW in 2007. In 2008 the United States produced total 4 344 TWh electricity (21.5 % of the world total) and imported 33 TWh."

6.4% of the nation's total electricity, 21.5% of the WORLDS TOTAL in 2008! - doesn't exist...

Solar power - doesn't exist...

Solar photovoltaic power - doesn't exist...

Biomass... Biofuels.. - none of it exists...It's all just make believe!


Don't let facts slow you down!!

"the gasoline combustible engine is the most efficient"!!!!!! LMFAO!! Wow! You must have read that right off the back of the Exxon pamphlet, huh?



Jesus man, you're all over the fuckin' place...

What the fuck does Bill fucking Gates have to do with any fucking thing we're talking about right now? Do you suffer from ADHD? First it was denying climate change, then it went to denying evolution, now you're bitching about Bill Gates??

How old are you? Do you have any kind of secondary education? How much have you actually researched these topics? Be honest.

 

[Harrekin]

Simple experiment

1 get a joint
2 light it
3 now put a large plastic bag over you while smoking the joint

How is your enviroment?

We cannot pull the bag off the earth like you will in 5 minutes or less

Typical liberal answer...does the plastic bag have hundreds of trillions of trees recycling the air?

Denying climate shift is retarded, however saying humans are entirely responsible is also retarded. Carbon credits are retarded. Al Gore is retarded...but the most retarded thing of all is the arrogant assumption that humans can either be the entire cause or solution to this.

 

[lifegoesonbrah]

Typical liberal answer...does the plastic bag have hundreds of trillions of trees recycling the air?

Denying climate shift is retarded, however saying humans are entirely responsible is also retarded. Carbon credits are retarded. Al Gore is retarded...but the most retarded thing of all is the arrogant assumption that humans can either be the entire cause or solution to this.

***Like****

 

[jbsoriginality]

hey dude the motorcycle first of all has more emissions and is nowhere near as safe as a car! check out my wrecked bike on youtube, jbsoriginality, but the pv cells that provide some of our homes power has the potential to charge an electric car and im sorry to say that long distances are possible because at least in my state n carolina there are e.v charging stations at every reststop! i dont have an e.v yet but i have plans too as soon as we finish uprgading our solar power system!

It's another poor attempt of selective cut and paste to try to win a point. There was a ten year lull in global warming at the time of that post, I stand by that point, and I'm correct. I also made it clear then and just a few posts ago that we are and have been in a warming cycle. As stated, we are coming out of a mini iceage so it is to be expected. And yes, call me crazy but I do believe the giant ball of fire that provides warmth to this planet, actually has something to do with the temperature of this planet.

You can try to push the bullshit, we take certain things for granted in science argument, but you aren't going to be able to get it off the ground with that argument. If you can't PROVE that man is driving any kind of climate change, then you have ZERO basis for legislation that prevents or restricts free use of fossil fuels.

As to Pad's question, we are at least 50 years from developing an green energy source that can move a vehicle loaded with humans and equipment long distances. Sorry, there is no current alternative options to the combustion engine and no signs there will be for quite a while. Not to mention, driving around in the current class of alternative vehicles is downright foolish. You're no better off in a Volt than you are on a motorcycle, probably less so as you're likely to fall victim to the illusion of safety that being in a closed in vehicle provides.

 

[Canna Sylvan]

Jesus man, you're all over the fuckin' place...

What the fuck does Bill fucking Gates have to do with any fucking thing we're talking about right now? Do you suffer from ADHD? First it was denying climate change, then it went to denying evolution, now you're bitching about Bill Gates??

How old are you? Do you have any kind of secondary education? How much have you actually researched these topics? Be honest.[/QUOTE]

Did you even watch the video? It's the 2010 TED conference. That year's topic was, wait for it, omfg, GLOBAL WARMING.

CO2 = P x S x E x C

Meaning this: the climate emissions of human civilization are the result of four driving forces:

* Population: the total number of people on the planet (which is still increasing because we are not yet at peak population).

* Services: the things that provide prosperity (and because billions of people are still rising out of poverty and because no global system will work unless it’s fair, we can expect a massively increased demand for the services that provide prosperity).

* Energy: the amount of energy it takes to produce and provide the goods and services that our peaking population uses as it grows more prosperous (what some might call the energy intensity of goods and services). Gates believes it’s likely cutting two-thirds of our energy waste is about as good as we can do.

* Carbon: the amount of climate emissions generated in order to produce the energy it takes to fuel prosperity.

Bill Gates solution is to decrease P by 2 billion.

What does it matter what my secondary education is? I understand it, I just don't believe the hype.

 

[NLXSK1]

Wow, a simple answer for a simple mind You realise global warming results in extremes of temperature, not just hot all the time, right?

I realize that the temperature on the earth changes constantly for many reasons.

And I realize that man has an insignificant effect regardless of what a bunch of scientists that have their funding riding on a pre-determined conclusion have to say about it.

 

[Harrekin]

solar power does exists! it powers the photovoltaic cells on our roof that charge batterys that is then used to power our hot water heater and about 1/4 of our electric bill, we are saving up to finish installing more pv cells on the roof,which again is powered by the sun!

PV cells to charge batteries to heat water is pretty inefficient. You know there are cells specifically for heating hot water...right?