Lucius Vorenus
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I feel like it's GroundHog Day. So many good posts in the past month. 
LED Without LEDs -My First T5 Grow
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AltarNation
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Yep. 'salright, we'll recover... the worst part is we don't know what we lost, lol. God knows my memory doesn't remember shit, nevermind all the stuff I posted over the last 33 pages
AltarNation
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No... =( I hope they get it back up soon. It's such an integral part of the experience in a way. I know it's just a silly button like facebook or whatever, but the truth is that when you expect it to be there and it's not, well... you end up contributing and receiving a lot less feedback overall. Personally, I use the like system as an indicator that a thread has progressed and there might be a response to my post... so it's pretty annoying not having it, as I'm now having to manually find my way into any thread I posted in that i didn't subscribe... bah.
Gimme back my likes, RIU. Don't make me get the god damn pitchforks again.
PetFlora
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Say-La-Vee. I'll kick it off with my new grow using my Indica dom (I hope) BK-1 cross. This is from the mother that I posted amazing growth pics of from my first T5 experiment.
Seeds cracked (with tap roots) in 24 hours, then placed in Super Starter Cubes. Once tap roots broke through, transferred to my DIY bubbler for 2 weeks, under a UFO 90 + 2 cool white CFLs and a 26 watt Repti-Glo CFL. A few days ago I added a warm white LED (should have done that from the get go). All grew straight and strong (~ 3" in < 2 weeks).
Yesterday I moved them into my HPA pod. Starting with 6 bulbs. In order:
1. Quantum Grow
2. ATI Special Blue Actinic
3. Coral Wave
4. Quantum Grow
5. UVL Red Life
6. UVL AquaSun
Photos shortly.
Plants are staggered in the HPA pod due to eventual development of large root mass (think cheerleader pompoms). Plus, hpa requires lots of air space around each root system for the mist to circulate before falling. HPA can be the most efficient grow method, but you have to know what you are doing: this being my 5th grow, I think I have all the kinks worked out. It should be very exciting combining HPA with aquarium HO T5 bulbs.
The pump is sitting in a makeshift placeholder due to the fact that I keep moving pods in/out. Also, this frame was originally built to run A/B light tests. Fortunately, it is the right size for a 2 X 4 Quantum fixture. Most HPA growers use a accumulator + solenoids + pressure switches. Not me. I like to KISS. My results may not be quite up to their fanatical standards but to me it's pretty close, much better than any other aero method. That said, I am a big fan of F & D, especially using my technique (Air Pots and lava rock), Here's 2 photos.
The PVC was an experiment (Bellagio Technique). It had a bunch of holes to super oxygenate the nutes as they enter the tub. The high walls were necessary to catch the splash, but also act to keep the environment humid, ala rain forest. This was the basic set up I used to grow BK -1
Seeds cracked (with tap roots) in 24 hours, then placed in Super Starter Cubes. Once tap roots broke through, transferred to my DIY bubbler for 2 weeks, under a UFO 90 + 2 cool white CFLs and a 26 watt Repti-Glo CFL. A few days ago I added a warm white LED (should have done that from the get go). All grew straight and strong (~ 3" in < 2 weeks).
Yesterday I moved them into my HPA pod. Starting with 6 bulbs. In order:
1. Quantum Grow
2. ATI Special Blue Actinic
3. Coral Wave
4. Quantum Grow
5. UVL Red Life
6. UVL AquaSun
Photos shortly.
Plants are staggered in the HPA pod due to eventual development of large root mass (think cheerleader pompoms). Plus, hpa requires lots of air space around each root system for the mist to circulate before falling. HPA can be the most efficient grow method, but you have to know what you are doing: this being my 5th grow, I think I have all the kinks worked out. It should be very exciting combining HPA with aquarium HO T5 bulbs.
The pump is sitting in a makeshift placeholder due to the fact that I keep moving pods in/out. Also, this frame was originally built to run A/B light tests. Fortunately, it is the right size for a 2 X 4 Quantum fixture. Most HPA growers use a accumulator + solenoids + pressure switches. Not me. I like to KISS. My results may not be quite up to their fanatical standards but to me it's pretty close, much better than any other aero method. That said, I am a big fan of F & D, especially using my technique (Air Pots and lava rock), Here's 2 photos.
The PVC was an experiment (Bellagio Technique). It had a bunch of holes to super oxygenate the nutes as they enter the tub. The high walls were necessary to catch the splash, but also act to keep the environment humid, ala rain forest. This was the basic set up I used to grow BK -1
A.Green.Monster
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Wasn't someone stomping their feet because they didn't feel like they were receiving enough attention? I am not sure of the screen name but it was a day or two before the data disappeared. All I remember is that they showed up about three months ago and someone called them out for being one poster with multiple screen names.
Thank you OP!
My plant is looking beefy dark green, and I credit the chlorophyll density to the lights that you put me onto.
I am now using two actinic, two far reds, with a 150w HPS for one plant. I was using 6500's.
She is GORGEOUS.
This alone made joining RIU worth it.
Keep up the good work!
Scabbers
My plant is looking beefy dark green, and I credit the chlorophyll density to the lights that you put me onto.
I am now using two actinic, two far reds, with a 150w HPS for one plant. I was using 6500's.
She is GORGEOUS.
This alone made joining RIU worth it.
Keep up the good work!
Scabbers
AltarNation
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Wow, this is neat. Haha. Not only am I more in touch with immediately meeting my plants' needs as they are presented, but I can actually see the direct evidence of each flowering nute addition as I add them... I swear my buds doubled in size over the last two days, haha.
Gonna take some good pics tonight hopefully... losing some leaves because I'm constantly fighting an N deficiency but can definitely see the gains on the buds too... kind of unsure as which was to go with feedings... don't really want to slow the bud development by adding veg nutes but also don't want to lose too many leaves... guess I'll just have to add a little veg fertilizer with ever other feeding for now...
Gonna take some good pics tonight hopefully... losing some leaves because I'm constantly fighting an N deficiency but can definitely see the gains on the buds too... kind of unsure as which was to go with feedings... don't really want to slow the bud development by adding veg nutes but also don't want to lose too many leaves... guess I'll just have to add a little veg fertilizer with ever other feeding for now...
I sibylline if you thought about this yet but add some worm castings to the toped inch or so of soil I do it once or twice during flower and it keeps the n up
AltarNation
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Not a bad idea at all, thanks man. I'll see if I can get a bag in town. Was planning to get some to make my own soil mix soon anyway so I'm due for a trip to the store.
Well I'm glad to help I mix it in the top few inches when I first mix my soil then when I switch them to flower I redo the top few inches with anouther dose of the castings then after about a month to a month and a half I add anouther dose then they get all the outher nutes from guano tea every outher watering or every 2 waterings
I'mWorking onn makeing a tea that has realy good numbers for all 3 (n-p-k) and I use karma for all the lil goodies they need
I'mWorking onn makeing a tea that has realy good numbers for all 3 (n-p-k) and I use karma for all the lil goodies they need
Undercover Cop
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Wow, I have no idea where I was when I last updated, well here's where I am now...
Flowering Box, 16 tubes total (4+8+4, FS/Roseate/CoralWave/FS - PlantGrow/RedSun/CoralWave/FS/PlantGrow/CoralWave/RedSun/FS - FS/CoralWave/Roseate/FS)
5 plants total, 2 small 12/12 from seed'ers, imposter BlueCheese (BlewCheez) sativa, FCJ and BBG.
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Veg box, 7 tubes total (6bulb Hydrofarm, FloraSun/BlueWave/FS/BW/FS/BW +1 ReefWave sidelight) 6 newly rooted FCJ clones and my almost ripe AutoHobbit
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Flowering Box, 16 tubes total (4+8+4, FS/Roseate/CoralWave/FS - PlantGrow/RedSun/CoralWave/FS/PlantGrow/CoralWave/RedSun/FS - FS/CoralWave/Roseate/FS)
5 plants total, 2 small 12/12 from seed'ers, imposter BlueCheese (BlewCheez) sativa, FCJ and BBG.
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Veg box, 7 tubes total (6bulb Hydrofarm, FloraSun/BlueWave/FS/BW/FS/BW +1 ReefWave sidelight) 6 newly rooted FCJ clones and my almost ripe AutoHobbit
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PetFlora
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Losing leaves could be N lock out due to ratios of PK being too high. They can do more harm than good. NPK are the same products for both veg and flower, only the ratios change, but should not change dramatically- as the so called bloom boosters would suggest. Mix fresh nutes but do not add much (if any) PK boosters.
AltarNation
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Eh... maybe... I will keep it in mind. Not sure that's right though because i can see pretty obvious improvements with each N dose.
AltarNation
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Sup all. My plants are absolutely thriving in those air pots. But... I'm noticing that the 5 airpots I have now barely fit along the light length with their drip trays... I can pull the drip trays and tighten them all in if I make a big drip pan for the whole stretch... but it's gonna be tight, so I'm considering raising the bulbs a little more to give a little more footprint as the canopy increases.
My question is this... if I back the fixture off 8-12" what exactly happens to the growth? I mean, does growth just slow, or is it going to stretch to find the light? Because I want to avoid unnecessary stretching at all costs but also would like to get a little more footprint length out of it.
I've got my new airpots too, which are a bit bigger diameter, so I'm not sure how that's going to work if I have five down the lenght of the 48" fixture.
10.25" on each air pot so even if I have them right up against each other (would rather give them breathing room) I'd still exceed the 48" length.
So I'm considering some options... on one hand I could kind of stagger them back and forth at an angle so that I get more length out of it (major benefit of round containers) but I would definitely then once again have to have a higher light so I could get a better footprint out of it for now.
That is just for veg... for flowering the setup will have a second fixture hitting it from the other side to accomodate the extra width.
Anyway, I want to hear from those of you who run PAR T5's at a greater distance, 6-12" maybe? You don't get any stretch with that set up I'm hoping...? Can you describe the difference you've seen between having it at the farther end of the spectrum (ie, 6-12") versus having them in tight? (ie, 1-3")
Got some pics I'll put up tonight when i can get at my laptop... I think I'm going to invest in a flood light for photo-taking, haha. I keep trying to take good shots but when I look at 'em later they don't seem worth while. Definitely need to get some white light in there, preferably something stronger than a CFL... just while I'm photographing.
My question is this... if I back the fixture off 8-12" what exactly happens to the growth? I mean, does growth just slow, or is it going to stretch to find the light? Because I want to avoid unnecessary stretching at all costs but also would like to get a little more footprint length out of it.
I've got my new airpots too, which are a bit bigger diameter, so I'm not sure how that's going to work if I have five down the lenght of the 48" fixture.
10.25" on each air pot so even if I have them right up against each other (would rather give them breathing room) I'd still exceed the 48" length.
So I'm considering some options... on one hand I could kind of stagger them back and forth at an angle so that I get more length out of it (major benefit of round containers) but I would definitely then once again have to have a higher light so I could get a better footprint out of it for now.
That is just for veg... for flowering the setup will have a second fixture hitting it from the other side to accomodate the extra width.
Anyway, I want to hear from those of you who run PAR T5's at a greater distance, 6-12" maybe? You don't get any stretch with that set up I'm hoping...? Can you describe the difference you've seen between having it at the farther end of the spectrum (ie, 6-12") versus having them in tight? (ie, 1-3")
Got some pics I'll put up tonight when i can get at my laptop... I think I'm going to invest in a flood light for photo-taking, haha. I keep trying to take good shots but when I look at 'em later they don't seem worth while. Definitely need to get some white light in there, preferably something stronger than a CFL... just while I'm photographing.