Santorum jolts GOP presidential race with 3-state sweep

[M B P]

examples: the right wing is constantly telling us that the separation of church and state was to keep the state out of the church and not to keep the church out of the state... trying to overturn roe vs wade... trying to end federal money going towards women's breast cancer screening... All the republican candidates received a calling from God to run... Claiming gay people don't have the right to be together in the eyes of the law because God says so (in my state the republican congress are trying to pass a constitutional amendment that says this)... The house (controlled by republicans) not getting anything done, but still holding sessions to re-affirm "in God we trust" as or national motto... The word "secular" is attached to obama in every republican speech (even though he is a christian) to paint him in a bad light... I could think of more.

 

[ink the world]

Could you please show me some examples of this? I must be living in a different America...

What laws are they proposing to turn our country into a theocracy? And why do you feel that the separation of church and state will not be maintained?

Seriously?

Let's keep it simple and look at the past couple of years.
The Republican wave in the midterms brought us anti abortion bills, anti gay marriage bills and just how many job bills?

Their focus is what it always has been, shove their religious beliefs down everyone's throats. It's funny that the same people that scream so loudly about personal freedom are some of the first in line to deny equal rights to gay people. Personal freedom as long as it doesn't offend their superstitions

 

[M B P]

It's funny that the same people that scream so loudly about personal freedom are some of the first in line to deny equal rights to gay people. Personal freedom as long as it doesn't offend their superstitions

A-fucking-men

p.s. as we debate, let's keep in mind that all of us, regardless of party, can come together around weed

 

[NLXSK1]

Seriously?

Let's keep it simple and look at the past couple of years.
The Republican wave in the midterms brought us anti abortion bills, anti gay marriage bills and just how many job bills?

Their focus is what it always has been, shove their religious beliefs down everyone's throats. It's funny that the same people that scream so loudly about personal freedom are some of the first in line to deny equal rights to gay people. Personal freedom as long as it doesn't offend their superstitions

The Republican house has sent over 30 jobs bills to the senate where King Harry Reid has sat on them. It is all about politics.

Where is Obama the great uniter? Oh yeah, he is campaigning while hypocritically asking Democratic donors to make his super PAC fat with loot after excoriating the SCOTUS for ruling in the PAC's favor.

I dont want to pay for a bunch of abortions either and I am not religious. Why should taxpayer funds go to things like that? There are literally thousands of federal programs we need to eliminate. We are vastly deep in debt and borrowing more every day.

BTW, I am not religious.

 

[M B P]

The jobs bills that were sent to the senate were all just tax cuts for the superwealthy with the word "jobs" attached to them.

Obama doesn't believe in superpacs... but since there will be superpacs coming at him... you better believe he is for superpacs going after someone else.

No tax payer money goes for abortion already... that's been law for decades.

I too believe we need to slash the budget... but it needs to be combined with targeted tax increases. This is the platform of the democratic party. The platform of the republican party is to slash the budget, slash billionaires and millionaires taxes, increase taxes on the middle and lower class (who apparently don't do enough for America), and to end all social programs that sustain a middle class and allow old people to live on their own.

 

[NLXSK1]

The jobs bills that were sent to the senate were all just tax cuts for the superwealthy with the word "jobs" attached to them.

Obama doesn't believe in superpacs... but since there will be superpacs coming at him... you better believe he is for superpacs going after someone else.

No tax payer money goes for abortion already... that's been law for decades.

I too believe we need to slash the budget... but it needs to be combined with targeted tax increases. This is the platform of the democratic party. The platform of the republican party is to slash the budget. slash billionaires and millionaires taxes, and increase taxes on the middle and lower class (who apparently don't do enough for America).

The top 1% of America pay 40% of the federal income taxes. That statistic comes right from the IRS. Somehow, that enormous burden isnt enough apparently...

And the bottom 50% of America pays NO federal income tax.

Fairness is making the rich pay more?

The politicians cannot cut 1% of the federal budget but you are for giving them yet more taxes... Of course, you want to give them more of someone elses income, not your own... Typical.

 

[tet1953]

As I have said before, the need to tax the wealthy more is not about fairness in my mind. For over thirty years we have spent more than we should (putting it mildly). And not just in entitlements either. We borrowed money for EVERYTHING including Bush's forays into the Middle East. So yes, we need to cut spending. But we also have to pay the bills already incurred and for that we need more money. To get money you have to go where the money is and that is the wealthy.

 

[M B P]

No its not enough. We are what... 14 trillion in debt (?) and the wealthy are paying the lowest in taxes they've ever paid. It was only a few months ago that democrats proposed something like 10 dollars spending cuts for every dollar in tax increases on the super wealthy. Republicans said no... and our credit rating was dropped. If republicans would agree to get rid of the bush tax cuts and go back to the clinton era taxes, where the budget was balanced and the wealthy did very well, we could make a dent in the debt. The superwealthy weren't paying much more under clinton. This, along with spending cuts, is what the democrats want to do. One side is saying lets cooperate... the other is saying "my way or the highway."

Do you know where there most billionaires in the world live? Russia. And life there for anyone who isn't a millionaire or a billionaire sucks. What makes America unique is that our tax policies have created a huge middle class. It wasn't a rich man who gave everyone jobs that gave us our middle class. It was the government telling those rich people you have to pay your workers at least a certain amount of money... provide them with certain benefits... and allow them to have a life outside of a job that gave us our middle class.

 

[dtp5150]

is santorum a bad guy? well i made this song with a speech thrown together out of context but still..he said these things...all within a few breaths.

speech tidbits start at about 50 seconds

[video=youtube;qFji8tIv2eI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFji8tIv2eI#t=45s[/video]

 

[mccumcumber]

The top 1% of America pay 40% of the federal income taxes. That statistic comes right from the IRS. Somehow, that enormous burden isnt enough apparently... And the bottom 50% of America pays NO federal income tax. Fairness is making the rich pay more? The politicians cannot cut 1% of the federal budget but you are for giving them yet more taxes... Of course, you want to give them more of someone elses income, not your own... Typical.

You know what's interesting about that same statistic. The top 1% might pay 40% of the taxes, but they make ~42% of the wealth... while the bottom 50% makes a whopping 0.5% of the wealth. More specifically, the top 20% makes 93% of the country's wealth. I have no idea why the uber rich keep using those statistics. If you're not a fucking dumbass you could see how this is fair. If you are making all the money then you ought to be taxed, I have no problem paying my taxes... Ever since my first paycheck I just accepted taxes as something that needed to be paid. It amazes me how people think because they made it big they don't need to pay taxes anymore... fucking lunacy.

 

[budlover13]

i still support a flat tax.

 

[NLXSK1]

You know what's interesting about that same statistic. The top 1% might pay 40% of the taxes, but they make ~42% of the wealth... while the bottom 50% makes a whopping 0.5% of the wealth. More specifically, the top 20% makes 93% of the country's wealth. I have no idea why the uber rich keep using those statistics. If you're not a fucking dumbass you could see how this is fair. If you are making all the money then you ought to be taxed, I have no problem paying my taxes... Ever since my first paycheck I just accepted taxes as something that needed to be paid. It amazes me how people think because they made it big they don't need to pay taxes anymore... fucking lunacy.

How many people do the top 1% employ and pay? (nobody gives them credit for writing tens or hundreds of millions of paychecks every month)

How many people do the bottom 50% employ and pay?

 

[tet1953]

You guys gotta come up with something new. Trickle down isn't working anymore.

 

[MuyLocoNC]

You guys gotta come up with something new. Trickle down isn't working anymore.

In your fucking dreams. When times are hard the whiners/progressives always come out in force and bitch about capitalism, trickle down economics, inequality of wealth, etc...
When times are good, they still feel that way, but you hardly hear it. If things are so awful in our system, how come the "Occupy" dumbshits weren't out in force prior to 2009? Because mom and dad had money to pay for tuition, jobs were aplenty and paid well enough to pay off student loans. As soon as rough times arrive, as they always will, we need to overturn the apple cart.

 

[UncleBuck]

And the bottom 50% of America pays NO federal income tax.

that's nonsense.

i didn't break 4 figures this year and paid plenty in federal income taxes. let them sit on my money interest free for a year.

 

[ink the world]

In your fucking dreams. When times are hard the whiners/progressives always come out in force and bitch about capitalism, trickle down economics, inequality of wealth, etc...
When times are good, they still feel that way, but you hardly hear it. If things are so awful in our system, how come the "Occupy" dumbshits weren't out in force prior to 2009? Because mom and dad had money to pay for tuition, jobs were aplenty and paid well enough to pay off student loans. As soon as rough times arrive, as they always will, we need to overturn the apple cart.

You must use a lot of hallucinogens or just have been in a coma for the last 2 decades.
All your talking points dont equate to a shred of truth.

While average income has remained stagnant for 90% of the population the top 10% and corporate profits keep going up. That is fact. I'm no youngster, or a socialist so save that bullshit for someone else. Anyone that thinks trickle down has worked is either ignorant or in the top 10%
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[mccumcumber]

How many Americans do the top 1% employ, how many MORE foreign factory workers do they employ? Subtract the amount of Americans employed by the top 1% by the amount of foreigners employed by the top 1% and you'll get less workers than the bottom 50 hires. Not that I care about this, I'm all for globalization, but republicans seem to be vehemently against it... Ironically enough.

 

[NLXSK1]

that's nonsense.

i didn't break 4 figures this year and paid plenty in federal income taxes. let them sit on my money interest free for a year.

All that proves is that you are incapable of properly filling out a W-2, not that you paid money to the federal government in taxes.

 

[UncleBuck]

All that proves is that you are incapable of properly filling out a W-2, not that you paid money to the federal government in taxes.

wow, you suck at this. no one fills out a W2, those get sent to you so you can then fill out a 1040.

and since i made less than the standard deduction, i got all that money back, but i still PAID it out of the initial check and let them sit on it interest free for a year.

 

[NLXSK1]

wow, you suck at this. no one fills out a W2, those get sent to you so you can then fill out a 1040.

and since i made less than the standard deduction, i got all that money back, but i still PAID it out of the initial check and let them sit on it interest free for a year.

Yes, and since YOU GET IT ALL BACK... You dont pay federal income tax...

Sorry I am not up on being an employee, havent done it in a long time. If you declared your deductions properly you wouldnt be letting the government kite off of you. That is your choice, however you are being disingenuous saying that you pay federal taxes while getting a refund for the same taxes you say you are paying.