Beansly
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Zero Tolerance is good stuff, but I don't think if it'll work on root aphids. It kills aphids and white flies on contact. Pretty sure it would do the same to spider mites.
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Zero Tolerance is good stuff, but I don't think if it'll work on root aphids. It kills aphids and white flies on contact. Pretty sure it would do the same to spider mites.
Wolverine97
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Not personal experience, but a friend told me that it almost killed a crop of his...
sharpshoota
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that wierd, i thought it would be safer... its made from oils of cinnamon, clove, rosemary and thyme.
i used a garlic/pepper spray on the outs this past year... good for bugs, not pm tho.
which spectricide is CG using do any of you know?
matt rize has a pretty good concoction on his veganic thread. page 161.
i used a garlic/pepper spray on the outs this past year... good for bugs, not pm tho.
which spectricide is CG using do any of you know?
matt rize has a pretty good concoction on his veganic thread. page 161.
SFguy
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looks the same as my larry, i cant really find any good info regarding the two can you clarify the diffrence? i dont particularly care if it is 100% accurate, just for piece of mind, maybe a storie or two
stonestare
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From what I have read it appears that they quickly gain a tolarance to pesticide and from reading I would suggest using another approach at the same time so you are sure to get them dead. There are fungusas out there that penatrate the substrate and grows in there without harm to the plant. Thats why I suggested it on the page before this 1.
Fnominon
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I think you should just hit all your veg and maybe even early flower with Avid. The stuff is really nasty, but after fighting thryps and spider mites for over a year organically I finally gave in and pulled out the WMD. I applied it on all my veg crop and my early flower twice three days apart and sprayed safer product every few days on my late flower crop until I harvested it. The end result, I haven't seen any pest damage in over 5 months and I haven't sprayed one thing in over 4. The stuff is terrible, but to be 100% pest free it was worth it.
collective gardener
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This is great advice. I, too, broke out the WMD for the mites...Floromite. Holy shit that stuff works! I'm harvesting my last mite crop right now. All crops behind it were floromited, and have ZERO mites. But, it's totally targetted to kill just mites...won't even kill predator mties. Does Avid kill soil born pests? If so, I'm all over it.
Wolverine97
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I'm tellin ya man, spinosad. It's not turrible like Avid, and the stuff works.
recirculator
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I'm not specifically aware of whether or not avid would kill root aphids...however what I do know about avid is that it is intended as a foliar spray, and that it is a trans-laminar product so it stays in the leaf when applied, however it is not systemic so it wont "travel" through your plants...I'm not sure I'd want to water the cubes with avid since for one thing i'm pretty sure it's not intended to be applied in that manner and the lasting effect that it has vs spider mites and thrips is due to it saying in the leaf so who knows whether it would "stick around" in the cube. I've had decent success knocking them down by dunking 4" rockwool cubes (i was flowering in those cubes on tables) in a solution of ambush which is a pyrethrin based insecticide. I'd dunk a cube just before flowering and if they ever came back it was late enough not to be a problem.
BTW if you do end up playing with avid, suit up properly including mask and total body protection keep others out and stay away while venting for a good while.
GL
Edit : the makers of Avid warn against using it through any "irrigation system"...I guess this might be a warning against introducing it into the soil...I'd try anything else first personally.
collective gardener
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I'll apply it. We have a buttload of it still on the shelf from when we were treating for thrips...which Spinosad works GREAT on. Basicaslly, every Sunday, when we normally flush, we'll be treating the medium with some sort of anti bug juice. This will start with Azomax and Pyri's, and taper to something mild like Spinosad for the preventative stage. It really just makes sense. We spray the leaves, we spray the room, why not spray the medium.
Joedank
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I mix oregano oil (go gnats by hydroorganics) and neem oil 50-50 and add 3ml per gallon as a root drench ... Works great
Can be sprayed as a top dressing of sorts but I avoid smelly things on my leaves ... Spinosad is great as is BT ... Néem has been shown to go systemic as well so.... Other defences as well.
http://web.pppmb.cals.cornell.edu/resourceguide/mfs/08neem.php
Excerpt: Active neem constituents can be absorbed through plant roots and systemically move upward through the plant through xylem tissues (Gill and Lewis 1971, Larew 1988, Nisbet, et al. 1993, Osman and Port 1990). This works best when sufficient quantities are applied to the root zone. Systemic effects are much less apparent from foliar sprays. Different plant species also differ widely in their ability to have systemic effects from neem. Neem constituents last much longer within the plant than when sprayed on the leaves. However, over time they will be diluted by growth.
Can be sprayed as a top dressing of sorts but I avoid smelly things on my leaves ... Spinosad is great as is BT ... Néem has been shown to go systemic as well so.... Other defences as well.http://web.pppmb.cals.cornell.edu/resourceguide/mfs/08neem.php
Excerpt: Active neem constituents can be absorbed through plant roots and systemically move upward through the plant through xylem tissues (Gill and Lewis 1971, Larew 1988, Nisbet, et al. 1993, Osman and Port 1990). This works best when sufficient quantities are applied to the root zone. Systemic effects are much less apparent from foliar sprays. Different plant species also differ widely in their ability to have systemic effects from neem. Neem constituents last much longer within the plant than when sprayed on the leaves. However, over time they will be diluted by growth.
Fnominon
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I have not had root aphids so I have not tried it on soil, however when I sprayed my plants I would also topically spray the top of the soil "back then" and I didn't have any troubles. Doesn't haveing crops with out mites just make you want to start dancing around the flower room? I am not a hippie, but I hate useing any pesticides I wont eat anything that wasn't organicly grown, but for my medicine I would rather hit the plants with a WMD early in its life and be done with those pests than spray "organic" pestisides every three days through out the entire flower period hoping to just keep the edge on the buggers.
Fnominon
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Thank you for pointing out the hazmat gear requirement. I would suggest tyvek, but since I didn't have any of that I wore layers of coveralls and threw them into the wash directly after spraying. I also wore a 3M half mask respirator with overkill cartarges. I wasn't aware of that avid was trans-laminar that is excellent info!
collective gardener
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A friend in here is sending me some Avid. You know who you are, and thank you SOOO much. He sent me the Floromite, which is like magic. I, too, would rather hit them with the most powerful tool I can find early in life and not need to apply weaker shit deep into bloom. Prevention can not take place with a big infestation. So, I'll Tyvek up and Avid my life. It will also give me a powerful secondary mitacide for any mites getting used to the Floromite. Wife and I broke out the bleach yesterday and did a big cleaning. I haven't been clean enough throughout this whole process. With a perpetual harvest I need to be especially clean all the time. I do not want to switch to a batch schedule...even though every commercial grower I know runs batches.
Thank you everyone for the wonderful advice. I plan to use most of your ideas in some sort or another. One thing I've learned about pests is that a broad range of products can be very effective. We plan on using the big guns until we're confident the major infestation is gone. We'll then try out the nematodes and Spinosad for a bit in a few plants to see if either one of those can be an effective preventative measure. My blue sky outcome would be to use predators for mites, nematodes or Spinosad for the roots, and avoid the PM with atmosphere control and ultra clean practices. Whether or not this will work with todays Super Bugs remains to be seen.
I can tell you this: 99% those big growers coming into Harborside with pounds and pounds of clean buds are using Floromite and Avid. If their buyers really wanted to be sure no Big Guns were used, they'd actually want to see some signs of insects...just not an infestation. Unfortunately, with the amount of $$$ at stake, you just cannot count on a grower's word that no Nukes were used. I could have my op inspected and convince anyone we're totally organic. Just give me a day to settup the scene. It's really sad. I will not ever use these nasty 2 products beyond week 2 of bloom. I know for a fact that many big growers use these products every 2 weeks all through the cycle. Their plants are beautiful...too beautiful. They're just the kind of plants the Harborside buyers like.
Thank you everyone for the wonderful advice. I plan to use most of your ideas in some sort or another. One thing I've learned about pests is that a broad range of products can be very effective. We plan on using the big guns until we're confident the major infestation is gone. We'll then try out the nematodes and Spinosad for a bit in a few plants to see if either one of those can be an effective preventative measure. My blue sky outcome would be to use predators for mites, nematodes or Spinosad for the roots, and avoid the PM with atmosphere control and ultra clean practices. Whether or not this will work with todays Super Bugs remains to be seen.
I can tell you this: 99% those big growers coming into Harborside with pounds and pounds of clean buds are using Floromite and Avid. If their buyers really wanted to be sure no Big Guns were used, they'd actually want to see some signs of insects...just not an infestation. Unfortunately, with the amount of $$$ at stake, you just cannot count on a grower's word that no Nukes were used. I could have my op inspected and convince anyone we're totally organic. Just give me a day to settup the scene. It's really sad. I will not ever use these nasty 2 products beyond week 2 of bloom. I know for a fact that many big growers use these products every 2 weeks all through the cycle. Their plants are beautiful...too beautiful. They're just the kind of plants the Harborside buyers like.
Fnominon
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I am juggling the idea of going to a monthly harvest program myself vs the perpetual harvest. I like the perpetual because that keeps the work load constant and harvests small enough for 2-3 people to tackle in a timely matter. The down side is in the efficiency, I am not able to mix up a weeks worth of nutrients at a time, I water by hand because setting up automated drippers on all four stages and reservoirs would be a logistical nightmare. I don't think you will need to worry about pests anymore after you treat a couple times with Avid. I run a sealed room and I wont allow any plants or cuttings from outside in my room which has been enough to prevent any reoccuring infestations. Like I said before I really hate using hard chemicals, but the stuff works that good.
jyermum
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I swear by the spinosad now for budworm control outside. BT, neem and soaps are nothing in comparison. The stuff was good enough for me to ditch the old honey badger pic for an avatar and start using Captian Jack off of the Dead Bug Brew (spinosad) bottle.
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...and dude's working the whole Magnum PI thing to the max
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...and dude's working the whole Magnum PI thing to the max
collective gardener
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I swear by the spinosad now for budworm control outside. BT, neem and soaps are nothing in comparison. The stuff was good enough for me to ditch the old honey badger pic for an avatar and start using Captian Jack off of the Dead Bug Brew (spinosad) bottle.
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...and dude's working the whole Magnum PI thing to the max
I've had great luck with Spinosad for thrips. I will be using it as a part of our preventative program. Until then, it will be pure poisen.
The Captain's stash is bad ass. That's pure 70's fireman stash. Remember that cat on Emergency? The goofy guy with the thick ass stash. Bad ol Boys.
CG I just HAD to post and (besides thanking you), ask you what the recent strain you gave me was? The first 1/2 ounce you gave me I'd take 1 puff and it would potentiate my morphine for 4 days! Seriously 1 puff of what you gave me was able to reduce my morphine intake anywhere from 50% to 75% for FOUR (4) days!! It was so strong. I still have a considerable portion left because it was so effective.
The new batch, another generous amount again, you gave me is incredibly more potent. I would call it an order of magnitude more potent. Hubby was so funny he kept repeating, "I don't feel anything", during the fourth repeat, he simply fell horizontal, mid-sentence, snoring and slept solid for the rest of the night. It was then I noticed that colors were changing etc.... I further noticed my body was NUMB! NUMB!! No pain nothing it was wonderful. I nestled into the recliner with this wonderful, warm, peaceful feeling washing over me like a comfy, familiar, blanket and slept without any interruption for the first time in 2 decades.
This new stuff you gave me is so much stronger it's scary strong. Anyway is this all the same strain? How do you select for strength? Yours is also pleasant to smoke. How do you accomplish that? I had tried some from the local dispensaries and not only was it painful to smoke but it did little for my pain. What you do is incredible. I am still stumbling along with my own minor grow so it just amazes me to no end you can grow something this consistently effective for pain. You really know your stuff and I am so grateful I found you.
The new batch, another generous amount again, you gave me is incredibly more potent. I would call it an order of magnitude more potent. Hubby was so funny he kept repeating, "I don't feel anything", during the fourth repeat, he simply fell horizontal, mid-sentence, snoring and slept solid for the rest of the night. It was then I noticed that colors were changing etc.... I further noticed my body was NUMB! NUMB!! No pain nothing it was wonderful. I nestled into the recliner with this wonderful, warm, peaceful feeling washing over me like a comfy, familiar, blanket and slept without any interruption for the first time in 2 decades.
This new stuff you gave me is so much stronger it's scary strong. Anyway is this all the same strain? How do you select for strength? Yours is also pleasant to smoke. How do you accomplish that? I had tried some from the local dispensaries and not only was it painful to smoke but it did little for my pain. What you do is incredible. I am still stumbling along with my own minor grow so it just amazes me to no end you can grow something this consistently effective for pain. You really know your stuff and I am so grateful I found you.
jyermum
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Had to google the show but it all came back in a second once I saw the main guys pic's
http://www.bobfireman.com/Bob&sq51web.jpg
collective gardener
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Had to google the show but it all came back in a second once I saw the main guys pic's
http://www.bobfireman.com/Bob&sq51web.jpg
Here's the stash I was thinking of. The characters neme is "Chet": http://www.emergencyfans.com/people/tdonnelly1.jpg