LED Without LEDs -My First T5 Grow

hyroot said:
Do you even know.what context means. You interprate everything the wrong way. I showed a specific price listing and you still argue that. in the first post I was talking about t5's. In the next one I was using building an led as an example of building a light. So get off your high horse and stop bullshitting to make yourself look better. Even though it doesnt work. Dont say another thing without showing some proof. I looked at your profile and no grow pics......... When I talked about audio school , I was just explaining why I happened to make that. You try so hard to compete with every thing everyone says. You should change your name to Captain One Upper
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LMAO "Captain 1-upp3r" good lols
PS Use your spell checker, Kron. It'll make you sound smarter. Now back to our regularly scheduled program [video=youtube;PnBIVmzXLLs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnBIVmzXLLs[/video]
 
Yeah!!!... Regularly scheduled programing!!!!
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Kaptain Kron said:
He made a veg comparison bro there's info and pics and proof all over he web that LEDs can easilly achieve that pic he posted. So if I wanna talk fact lets talk fact where's his flower shots I wasn't referring to flower til u and him brought it up. What i said is fact. Don't believe it go buy a panel and try for yourself. I don't need to do a side by side to know that a 300 watt draw panel can vegetate a bush lol now if u wanna talk flower i won't comment. Why? Because I haven't flowered with a t5 setup like this I'm doing mothers with one right now. You won't see me talk about what i do not know as fact. He put the challenge out I merely answered it. Also if u notice I told the noob LEDs were too expensive and go t5 but I guess no one cares and wants to look at this objectively and fair. Sure I'll do a side by side flower someday when I got $ for more lights but at the moment i don't. WHICH IS WHY I DIDNT COMMENT ON FLOWER!!! Only veg. Everything was totally peaceful until I got called a troll for helpin someone with a question they posted don't like it? Don't call me a troll lol save it for the real ones. Not for someone who just has a slightly different opinion than you. He swears like I was sayin these lights don't work as well if not better than LEDs none of which I said. In fact I didn't Ben make a direct comparison. This all stemmed from my comment of led tech is getting cheaper therefore makin it harder to justify this style setup. You tell me how that's insulting to any members or even sayin LEDs are better than this setup. It's not it's merely an observation on market price and I got jumped on. So please dont begin pointing the finger at me prof I'll leave lol. See I'm not a troll as said before sure this threads beneficial to me but I've got some courtesy unlike some people in here hat seem to take things way to personally. I'd leave before u would need to ban me all it would take would be askin me to go. But I'm not jus gonna lay down and let people call me a troll for thin to help someone when my opinions just different.

I'm allowed an opinion just like everyone else on here without gettin bashed for it
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Indeed, everyone is allowd an opinion, and by all means we can argue these thing till were blue in the face, however please dont use my thread for this... theres now 3 pages of this crap from everyone...
Im not singling anyone out but should you guys want to continue this arguement pleas do it in PM....
I do remember that I posted about LED being too expensive.
HOWEVER if youll note that i am using a premium Ballast &fixture you can find MUCH cheeper fixtures out there under 200$
and the bulbs i chose can be had for a deal if you buy them all @ once...
FACT 1 is unless your LED fixture has 20+ colors it cannot match the spectrum of this T5 setup as LED have a very FINITE spectrum.
FACT 2 LED just doesent have the footprint of T5 and is still using the HID model of one light source in a small area. thus suffers from the inverse square law more so than T5.
FACT 3 Were no longer going to argue this point its moot. Until we have a side by side comparison were all WRONG...

This is why i tend to stay away from the which is better arguement...




Lastly, I am in the process of designing an external T5 ballast got the CAD drawing done last night now to buy the parts....
This will be a T5 retro-outro where the ballasts will be able to be placed up to 8 feet outside of the fixture while only needing simple install into your existing fixture stay tuned as I am purchasing the parts from CHINA they will take a few weeks to arrive.
you can use ANY ballasts as well which is a great thing IMHO ;)
 
pr0fesseur said:
Keon and everyone else plz... im traveling and don't have time to babysit..plz try to keep this thread a peaceful place..
This is not a LED thread and those discussions should be kept to PM PLZ...
KRON,FLORA,DDWC I respect all of your support and were here to help others...
This is for T5 users and noobs. We will only make direct observed comparisons based on experimentation and facts.. led is viable for some it does work.. and ut is proven tech. That being said it is a smaller footprint and does have.limited "throw" you can't argue with physics..
Further flaming in any direction will result in my personal attention and a full on ban from this forum.
Many forums have issues that get out if hand this will not be one of them.
KRON I challenge your blackstar comment and until you can do a side by side plz don't make comparisons..FLORA HAS PROVEN HIS 1000W IS NOT AS GOOD AS T5
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Pr0f: This is why i said some time ago a journal is best because you can delete A'holes who do not respect the integrity of the thread. I believe it was Hyroot who had the 1000w result.

Anyone reading this in the future will probably get turned off (maybe that's what the few Troll A'holes want). Hell, I am, but feel I owe you to show what T5s (not LEDs) can do in Bloom. I'm starting to see some trics now.
 
organicbynature said:
This will be my last post in this thread discussing LEDs, since it seems to make people crazy for some reason (which I still think is really strange for this thread).

Your information is (blatantly) incorrect. The panel you mention sells for $629 on their site. If you call them to order (and maybe otherwise?) they will comp you shipping and you also don't have to pay tax (unless you're in NY, I imagine). They will also sell it to you at a lower price if you call them, my guess is you could get it for $600 shipped.

From what I have seen, LEDs work great as long as you get a quality panel, which there seem to be several different makes for at this point. Also from what I have seen, Blackstars seem to have the best value of those companies (I personally have panels from three different companies at this point - none of them were purchased on a special arrangement). I think Blackstars are the only ones that compete with T5s in terms of price. Here is a great comparison grow of three different panels, if you're interested. Here is another grow, this one using two 500 watt Blackstar panels.

That said, I really appreciate this thread for what it offers. I haven't seen any others like it and would really like to see more people try this, as I hope to myself. PAR T5s seem to me to be neither better nor worse than LEDs (unless you get crappy LEDs, of course), simply two different, quality options for PAR lighting.

I suggest everyone goes and enjoys a bowl of something grown under their favorite type of lighting and we'll see who chills out the most. :)
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A Tool (for saying this is the last time you will discuss LEDS then carry on for 2 paragraphs) and a Troll (that should be obvious). I don't mean that in a bad way. hahahahahahaha
 
Dudes, was PM'd things calmed down in here, so back, In a hopeful effort to get back to NON LED lighting issues....

Does anyone know anything about UVB Narrowband (310-315nm) flourescent lighting versus UVA broadband (315+nm) and how plants respond to either/both? I am very interested in this, along with how much UVA the T5 HO's can create and if they create any UVB, safety issues, plant tissue damage and UV production levels that plants actually respond to, either in terms of exciting growth or in defensive oil productions.
 
thats a great question. i know too much UV light can damage plants but in small amounts it provokes the plant into defensive oil production to protect it potential seeds as they develop. Not sure bout the different nm outputs and how they differ in relation to the plant.

when i would use reptisun 10.0 CFLs, i put them on a seperate timer for 6 hours a day centered in middle of the 12 hours of light. i also had a kill switch at the growroom door so when i was checking on them n the lights were on i could turn the UV light off seperately.
 
Myles117 said:
when i would use reptisun 10.0 CFLs, i put them on a seperate timer for 6 hours a day centered in middle of the 12 hours of light. i also had a kill switch at the growroom door so when i was checking on them n the lights were on i could turn the UV light off seperately.
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What kind of results did you get? Some say it increases potency, others say they are useless. I know the plants produce 6 cannabinoids and probably additional other plant oils, but does it actually create additional Δ9 ?
 
what i saw was more trichomes on the plant.

I heard that trichomes react very strangely with light. they actually obsorb and redirect it away. scientists arent yet sure if this is essential for assembly of THC or not but it def is a form of "sunblock" for the plants. so if there are UV rays htta could damage the calyxes n their contents the plant will put more energy into trichome production

i was very happy with the results
 
So the 10 stands for 10% UVB output for that bulb right? Guess the rest us UVA, so growth promoting.... So how do we achieve this with T5 HO's? Seems like the addition of even 1 tube per array would be a smart thing to do.
 
i hang the cfls in with the t5s but if u want all t5s then yeah i guess youd just use a general ratio of UV bulb to total bulbs in setup. maybe one per every 4 or 6 regular bulbs?
 
PetFlora said:
A Tool (for saying this is the last time you will discuss LEDS then carry on for 2 paragraphs) and a Troll (that should be obvious). I don't mean that in a bad way. hahahahahahaha
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You need to adjust your spectrums, PetFlora, your bud is making you paranoid. :eyesmoke:

There's no trolls here, just some good folks getting in a huff with each other about nothing.

If you look back through my posts you'll see I've been nothing but respectful and have done my best to be helpful. I have not attacked anyone and have even tried to provide links to back up what I've written. I like this thread and really can't understand why people are getting so upset.

As with those of hyroot, I've really enjoyed your posts (except for the ones where I or someone else is being attacked), and am really interested in what's happening here. Seriously, brother, can we all smoke the peace pipe now? :joint:
 
canadian1969 said:
Dudes, was PM'd things calmed down in here, so back, In a hopeful effort to get back to NON LED lighting issues....

Does anyone know anything about UVB Narrowband (310-315nm) flourescent lighting versus UVA broadband (315+nm) and how plants respond to either/both? I am very interested in this, along with how much UVA the T5 HO's can create and if they create any UVB, safety issues, plant tissue damage and UV production levels that plants actually respond to, either in terms of exciting growth or in defensive oil productions.
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From my understanding Actinics have plenty UVA and a little UVB. I have 4 actinic bulbs 2 that peak at 420nm and two that peak at 454nm. I also have two red suns they peak at 633nm and two 3000k spectralux. I am thinking of replacing the 3000k with two coral wave or reef waves. it would be the shit if we could find a 660 nm t5 bulb.
 
Cool, but how do you know how much UVA/B those Atinics put out? I think UVA peters out before 400nm
(p.s. was just at the local aquarium store this morning, muhahahaha) think I'll start with a 5% UVB for flower (just a CFL for now as I am small time micro).
 
look at the PAR charts that are provided for the bulbs you are looking at kinda like this
 

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Yeah, I know, but you are saying "your" bulbs produce UVA/B right? What are the spectrographs for those models looking like?
Or maybe not yours , but there ARE Atinics that do, guess I misunderstood.
 
canadian1969 said:
Cool, but how do you know how much UVA/B those Atinics put out? I think UVA peters out before 400nm
(p.s. was just at the local aquarium store this morning, muhahahaha) think I'll start with a 5% UVB for flower (just a CFL for now as I am small time micro).
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Check out CANNAWIZARD he has his thread ALL about UVA/B...
 
**this is a great thread about T5 grows and excellent data/inputs for anyone interested to replicate the method :) ..lets just stay on course~

--cheers Prof.
 
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