legallyflying
Well-Known Member
what happened to this, I thought you were done?
You voiced your opinion and we acknowledged it, but at this point I would appreciate it if you stopped turning my thread into your own personal pissing match.
Could Kelp extracts be a waste of money?
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You voiced your opinion and we acknowledged it, but at this point I would appreciate it if you stopped turning my thread into your own personal pissing match.
ExtremeMetal43
Active Member
I like the idea of using as a foliar feeding and apparently its good to use to spur root growth, However ive been hesitant to use it on my soil because the label lists chlorine at 1%.
Samwell Seed Well
Well-Known Member
i like how this guy is so out of touch, he still thinks he he used worlds like researcher or scientist that it means anything, you sent a single soil sample in
you are as dubious and your claims and it just gets better," did you read my previous post" it looks like a Collage of magazine articles on feminine itching products
"you sent soil in" shut up
you are all hot air, post your results they should have came on a piece of paper or an email with the schools letter head( like students are scientist)
Illumination
New Member
You are an idiot
Samwell Seed Well
Well-Known Member
ill believe what he claims when he can produce some proof other than his own word . . . . . and that makes me an idiot
ill continue to use the best additives to enhance my grows, currenly im using Ecklonia kelp extract instead of rhizotonic for some orgnaic grows im starting
Ben eat me and good luck with your crusade to save the kelp
Uncle Ben
Well-Known Member
You and I are one step ahead of the herd on that one - is that a good write up or what! What I've been preaching for 10 years or so. BTW, the nice FedX man delivered 2 qts. of Foliage Pro yesterday. Free gratis.
Yep, looks like the anti-capitalism simpletons protesting whatever in the hell it is they're protesting in NYC is missing another village idiot.
Danielsgb
Well-Known Member
Yep, if it doesn't come from a scientist who is getting a masters or doctorate from a university for the research then it is almost always just marketing. I'd like to try that Foliage Pro, but I have to use up my 4 gallon bucket of Jacks first.You and I are one step ahead of the herd on that one - is that a good write up or what! What I've been preaching for 10 years or so. BTW, the nice FedX man delivered 2 qts. of Foliage Pro yesterday. Free gratis.
Yep, looks like the anti-capitalism simpletons protesting whatever in the hell it is they're protesting in NYC is missing another village idiot.
dannyboy602
Well-Known Member
@daniels...is foliage pro as good as H and G Magic Green? Thx in advance.
...edit: this thread was more fun to read than the entire TNT forum...and I think I actually learned something.
...edit: this thread was more fun to read than the entire TNT forum...and I think I actually learned something.
Danielsgb
Well-Known Member
I've never used Magic Green, but I can guess it's a scam waste of money. It says Derived From: Ammonium Nitrate, Nitric Acid, Potassium Oxide, and Phosphoric Acid. but never gives a NPK or even what the fuck is in it. Says waxy leaves but not what from. It's expensive too. My guess is folar feeding it can't be that big of deal. Thos type products have stuff like a .8-.4-.1
The root mass is what counts. Strong root system moves all elements to where they go.
Dyna-gro's Foliage Pro has 3-1-2 ratio of NPK which is known to be good for vegetative growth. It has the 13 micro-nutrients and gives you the info on the label.
So no doubt about it I'd pick it vs the H & G product. Hope that helps.
Uncle Ben
Well-Known Member
4 gallon bucket of Jack's!? Wonder if it works as good as a spritz of kelp.Yep, if it doesn't come from a scientist who is getting a masters or doctorate from a university for the research then it is almost always just marketing. I'd like to try that Foliage Pro, but I have to use up my 4 gallon bucket of Jacks first.
Once a troll, . . .
legallyflying
Well-Known Member
Thanks to samwell, Daniels, and super troll uncle Ben. Your all immature shir heads
Unbelievable, just couldn't help yourselves.
Unsubscribing to my own fucking thread.
Unbelievable, just couldn't help yourselves.
Unsubscribing to my own fucking thread.
Samwell Seed Well
Well-Known Member
You know what, boo hoo, your thread is about kelp's possible benefits i think it helps ben thinks it doesnt and is environmentally unsound to mine, just because the discussion doesn't halt and about face when you bark . . . . ok
And to ben and Daniels, take my name ill show you(shakes fist in air), you have some good points about environmental ramifications and i checked my Canna shit and its a by product of fermented algae, not kelp . . .. . . but i still think kelp is
beneficial, i still think kelp is a great addition to any soil or garden but it should be farmed environmentally responsible, oh well another thread for another day as if kelp mining is the worst environmental hazard of hobbyist or commercial growers
Samwell Seed Well
Well-Known Member
http://www.maximumyield.com/article_sh_db.php?articleID=749&yearVar=2011&issueVar=October&featureVar=true
" . . .. Two inorganic nutrients, manganese and chlorine, are necessary for the Hill Reaction to occur. Without them water molecules will not split and photosynthesis will not proceed. Zinc (Zn) has also been linked to the Hill Reaction and deficiencies in zinc have been shown to result in impaired Hill Reaction activity."
"The Hill Reaction: 2H2O ---> 4 e - + 4H+ + O2 (Mn + Cl) It is from this reaction that oxygen is evolved in photosynthesis. It was once believed that the oxygen released from photosynthesis came from the breakdown of carbon dioxide, but that has been shown not to be the case. After being sent to a higher energy state by the absorption of light energy in photosystem II, the electrons from the water molecule are trapped by a protein complex. This protein complex strongly resembles an electron transport chain. It includes cytochromes, ferrodoxin, iron-sulfur proteins and plastocyanin. Again, the importance of plant nutrients is evident by the presence of iron (Fe) in ferrodoxin, copper (Cu) in plastocyanin and sulfur (S) in the iron-sulfur proteins."
"Once the electrons have reached this protein complex, they are moved along the chain from one protein to another down an energy gradient. As the electrons move down this transport chain, the energy that they lose is used to add an extra phosphate to ADP in order to make ATP. This process is termed photophosphorylation."
"Initially, in photosystem II, a water molecule is split up (the Hill Reaction) into an oxygen molecule, two electrons and four protons (H+). As discussed earlier, the two electrons are sent to a state of elevated energy due to the absorbance of light energy by chlorophyll molecules as well as some other pigments. Then these electrons proceed to move to photosystem I via a protein chain, in the process losing much of the energy that they had gained. This energy is not just lost though. It is used to pump the protons that were released from the splitting of water across the thylakoid membrane from the stroma region of the chloroplast into the thylakoid. Pumping all of these protons across the thylakoid membrane sets up an electrochemical gradient, which drives the synthesis of ATP."
" The protons move back across the thylakoid membrane into the stroma through an enzyme called ATP-synthase. When they move through this enzyme, into the stroma they are moving to an area of lower potential. The protons then must lose some energy along the way, right? Well they do, and this energy is used to put an inorganic phosphate ion, denoted Pi, to ADP, thus creating ATP.'
(A phosphate, an inorganic chemical, is a salt of phosphoric acid. In organic chemistry, a phosphate, or organophosphate, is an ester of phosphoric acid. Organic phosphates are important in biochemistry and biogeochemistry or ecology. Inorganic phosphates are mined to obtain phosphorus for use in agriculture and industry.[2][3][4] At elevated temperatures in the solid state, phosphates can condense to form pyrophosphates.)
"Inorganic nutrients are very crucial to the functioning of this process. Iron, sulfur and copper are all parts of proteins that are critical in the movement of electrons from photosystem II to photosystem I. Calcium is also very important in this process because it maintains membrane integrity. Obviously, this is very important when considering the flow of protons and electrons across the thylakoid membrane. Phosphorous too, plays an important role. Not only is phosphorous added to ADP to form ATP, it, like calcium, is important in maintaining membrane integrity."
"It is evident that inorganic nutrients have a major impact on the light reactions of photosynthesis. Nitrogen is in every amino acid in a plant; thus, it must also be part of every single protein in a plant as well as being a major component of the chlorophyll molecule. Nitrogen is involved in nearly every aspect of the light reactions as well as photosynthesis as a whole. Phosphorous also plays a big role in the light reactions of photosynthesis. It is phosphorous that is added to the ADP to form ATP that will be used elsewhere in the plant for energy. Phosphorous is also part of NADP, which is reduced to the NADPH2 that goes on to the Calvin Cycle. Magnesium is the central component of the chlorophyll molecule and therefore is vital to the functioning of the light reactions of photosynthesis."
"The Calvin Cycle is often referred to as the dark reaction of photosynthesis, which can be misleading as the Calvin Cycle can occur both during day and night. However, light is not required for this reaction to proceed; hence the name. In the most general terms, the dark reaction of photosynthesis involves the evolution of carbon dioxide from the atmosphere into the plant where it is used to manufacture carbohydrates. The actual cycle is much more in-depth than that, however. Once again, inorganic nutrients play an important role in the many facets of the dark reaction of photosynthesis. As in the light reaction, inorganic nutrients have both direct and indirect effects on the dark reaction.
The dark reaction of photosynthesis begins with the diffusion of carbon dioxide into the leaf via the stomata, while oxygen—created in the light reaction—diffuses. One plant nutrient that plays an essential role in the movement of carbon dioxide into the leaf is potassium (K). Carbon dioxide moves into the leaf through the stomata. The stomata, which are located mostly on the underside of the leaf, can be opened and closed by a plant as needed. The opening and closing of the stomata is regulated by guard cells that are located on either side of the stomata. The movement of potassium into the guard cells will determine whether they allow the stomata to remain open or closed. With potassium deficiencies, there will be problems in the movement of carbon dioxide into the leaves, as well as movement of oxygen out. Without much needed carbon from carbon dioxide, the plant may have to resort to mining carbon from inside the plant itself in order to manufacture much needed carbohydrates that will be used in respiration. In addition, oxygen has an inhibitory effect on photosynthesis, and when levels of oxygen inside a plant get too high, photosynthesis rates may drop."
" Once carbon dioxide has diffused into the intercellular spaces of the leaves, it then moves into plant cells where it is transported into the chloroplast so that it can be integrated into a carbon skeleton via the Calvin Cycle to form the precursors of starches, sugars, proteins and fatty acids. The Calvin Cycle begins with one molecule of carbon dioxide entering the cycle and combining with ribulose 1,5 bisphosphate, a five-carbon sugar to form a series of three-carbon compounds. This reaction is catalyzed by the enzyme rubisco. Rubisco is important because it is thought to be the single most common protein on the planet Earth. In addition, magnesium and perhaps manganese are essential for the functioning of this enzyme. Without the presence of at least one of these elements this enzyme will not function, carbon dioxide will not be fixed by ribulose 1,5 bisphosphate and the Calvin Cycle will not proceed."
"After the products of photosynthesis—sugars, starches, fatty acids and proteins—are formed they must be moved from their point of origin or source, to a location where they are needed—a sink. Photosynthates are moved around the plant via the phloem tissue. Two elements in particular are crucial for the movement of photosynthate from source to sink. Potassium, in addition to its many other roles in the plant, serves to transport the products of photosynthesis around the plant. When organs such as flowers are forming, there is a great need for potassium in a plant. When deficiencies in potassium occur, there is often decreased flower set or a decrease in flower size and quality. The importance of potassium during times of high metabolic demand cannot be understated. Calcium is also important in the movement of photosynthate around a plant. Calcium has been found to be important in the loading of the phloem with the products of photosynthesis. If calcium were deficient, there would be problems with getting photosynthate into the phloem tissue and thus it would not be available to sink areas on the plant.
Inorganic nutrients have both direct and indirect effects on photosynthesis:
Direct effects
Usually reversible, such as rapid recovery of rate of net photosynthesis when a deficient element is reintroduced at the proper level (manganese in chloroplasts, for example).
Indirect effects
Ions involved in synthesis of enzymes and pigments, those involved in transport, etc. Potassium has an indirect effect via control of stomatal opening and closing."
"About the Author:
Bentley Mills owns Georgia-based FloraHydroponics. In Athens he operates a one acre commercial hydroponic greenhouse where he grows bibb lettuce, basil and watercress using deep pool floating raft technology. Bentley's background in horticulture began while managing Micro Macro International (MMI) where he was a lab manager for 12 years. MMI LABS performs nutritional analysis of soils, plant tissue, hydroponic solutions and fertilizers. Bentley can be contacted at"
guess whats in kelp and kelp extracts all the minerals that are mention above
and it goes on to say how effective and widely used a number of essential nutrients are currently in commercial agriculture.
Another article from same person and magazine http://www.maximumyield.com/article_sh_db.php?articleID=712&submit=Go
"It is common knowledge that plants are able to absorb essential elements through their leaves. The absorption takes place through the stomata of the leaves and also through the epidermis, and while the movement of elements is usually faster through the stomata, the total absorption may be just as great through the epidermis."The following elements have been successfully used to supply nutrients for plant growth by applying them as foliar leaf sprays:
Primary Nutrients Secondary Nutrients Micronutrients Nitrogen Magnesium Iron Molybdenum Phosphorus Calcium Zinc Manganese Potassium Sulfur Boron Chlorine Copper
One difficulty in using foliar sprays to supply essential elements to crops is that translocation of the applied element may not be rapid enough for increasing crop yields. With some plants this problem is more difficult than with others. For example, the relative mobility of essential nutrients in bean plants when applied as a foliar spray—in order of decreasing mobility—was as follows:
Mobile Partially Mobile Immobile Potassium Zinc Molybdenum Boron Phosphorus Copper Magnesium Calcium Chlorine Manganese Boron Iron Nitrogen Copper
Nitrogen fertilizer compounds have been used for several years as foliar sprays. Sodium nitrate, ammonium sulfate, potassium nitrate and urea have all been used experimentally, but only urea gives satisfactory results, as the other fertilizers cause leaf burning due partly to the high osmotic concentration of the spray solution."
So go on keep telling us it dont work and it is not worth it, and now both mineral content and hormonal content as been pretty much shown to be beneficial in my mind, thanks for making me dig up my reference collection of articles and magazines have fun.
" . . .. Two inorganic nutrients, manganese and chlorine, are necessary for the Hill Reaction to occur. Without them water molecules will not split and photosynthesis will not proceed. Zinc (Zn) has also been linked to the Hill Reaction and deficiencies in zinc have been shown to result in impaired Hill Reaction activity."
"The Hill Reaction: 2H2O ---> 4 e - + 4H+ + O2 (Mn + Cl) It is from this reaction that oxygen is evolved in photosynthesis. It was once believed that the oxygen released from photosynthesis came from the breakdown of carbon dioxide, but that has been shown not to be the case. After being sent to a higher energy state by the absorption of light energy in photosystem II, the electrons from the water molecule are trapped by a protein complex. This protein complex strongly resembles an electron transport chain. It includes cytochromes, ferrodoxin, iron-sulfur proteins and plastocyanin. Again, the importance of plant nutrients is evident by the presence of iron (Fe) in ferrodoxin, copper (Cu) in plastocyanin and sulfur (S) in the iron-sulfur proteins."
"Once the electrons have reached this protein complex, they are moved along the chain from one protein to another down an energy gradient. As the electrons move down this transport chain, the energy that they lose is used to add an extra phosphate to ADP in order to make ATP. This process is termed photophosphorylation."
"Initially, in photosystem II, a water molecule is split up (the Hill Reaction) into an oxygen molecule, two electrons and four protons (H+). As discussed earlier, the two electrons are sent to a state of elevated energy due to the absorbance of light energy by chlorophyll molecules as well as some other pigments. Then these electrons proceed to move to photosystem I via a protein chain, in the process losing much of the energy that they had gained. This energy is not just lost though. It is used to pump the protons that were released from the splitting of water across the thylakoid membrane from the stroma region of the chloroplast into the thylakoid. Pumping all of these protons across the thylakoid membrane sets up an electrochemical gradient, which drives the synthesis of ATP."
" The protons move back across the thylakoid membrane into the stroma through an enzyme called ATP-synthase. When they move through this enzyme, into the stroma they are moving to an area of lower potential. The protons then must lose some energy along the way, right? Well they do, and this energy is used to put an inorganic phosphate ion, denoted Pi, to ADP, thus creating ATP.'
(A phosphate, an inorganic chemical, is a salt of phosphoric acid. In organic chemistry, a phosphate, or organophosphate, is an ester of phosphoric acid. Organic phosphates are important in biochemistry and biogeochemistry or ecology. Inorganic phosphates are mined to obtain phosphorus for use in agriculture and industry.[2][3][4] At elevated temperatures in the solid state, phosphates can condense to form pyrophosphates.)
"Inorganic nutrients are very crucial to the functioning of this process. Iron, sulfur and copper are all parts of proteins that are critical in the movement of electrons from photosystem II to photosystem I. Calcium is also very important in this process because it maintains membrane integrity. Obviously, this is very important when considering the flow of protons and electrons across the thylakoid membrane. Phosphorous too, plays an important role. Not only is phosphorous added to ADP to form ATP, it, like calcium, is important in maintaining membrane integrity."
"It is evident that inorganic nutrients have a major impact on the light reactions of photosynthesis. Nitrogen is in every amino acid in a plant; thus, it must also be part of every single protein in a plant as well as being a major component of the chlorophyll molecule. Nitrogen is involved in nearly every aspect of the light reactions as well as photosynthesis as a whole. Phosphorous also plays a big role in the light reactions of photosynthesis. It is phosphorous that is added to the ADP to form ATP that will be used elsewhere in the plant for energy. Phosphorous is also part of NADP, which is reduced to the NADPH2 that goes on to the Calvin Cycle. Magnesium is the central component of the chlorophyll molecule and therefore is vital to the functioning of the light reactions of photosynthesis."
"The Calvin Cycle is often referred to as the dark reaction of photosynthesis, which can be misleading as the Calvin Cycle can occur both during day and night. However, light is not required for this reaction to proceed; hence the name. In the most general terms, the dark reaction of photosynthesis involves the evolution of carbon dioxide from the atmosphere into the plant where it is used to manufacture carbohydrates. The actual cycle is much more in-depth than that, however. Once again, inorganic nutrients play an important role in the many facets of the dark reaction of photosynthesis. As in the light reaction, inorganic nutrients have both direct and indirect effects on the dark reaction.
The dark reaction of photosynthesis begins with the diffusion of carbon dioxide into the leaf via the stomata, while oxygen—created in the light reaction—diffuses. One plant nutrient that plays an essential role in the movement of carbon dioxide into the leaf is potassium (K). Carbon dioxide moves into the leaf through the stomata. The stomata, which are located mostly on the underside of the leaf, can be opened and closed by a plant as needed. The opening and closing of the stomata is regulated by guard cells that are located on either side of the stomata. The movement of potassium into the guard cells will determine whether they allow the stomata to remain open or closed. With potassium deficiencies, there will be problems in the movement of carbon dioxide into the leaves, as well as movement of oxygen out. Without much needed carbon from carbon dioxide, the plant may have to resort to mining carbon from inside the plant itself in order to manufacture much needed carbohydrates that will be used in respiration. In addition, oxygen has an inhibitory effect on photosynthesis, and when levels of oxygen inside a plant get too high, photosynthesis rates may drop."
" Once carbon dioxide has diffused into the intercellular spaces of the leaves, it then moves into plant cells where it is transported into the chloroplast so that it can be integrated into a carbon skeleton via the Calvin Cycle to form the precursors of starches, sugars, proteins and fatty acids. The Calvin Cycle begins with one molecule of carbon dioxide entering the cycle and combining with ribulose 1,5 bisphosphate, a five-carbon sugar to form a series of three-carbon compounds. This reaction is catalyzed by the enzyme rubisco. Rubisco is important because it is thought to be the single most common protein on the planet Earth. In addition, magnesium and perhaps manganese are essential for the functioning of this enzyme. Without the presence of at least one of these elements this enzyme will not function, carbon dioxide will not be fixed by ribulose 1,5 bisphosphate and the Calvin Cycle will not proceed."
"After the products of photosynthesis—sugars, starches, fatty acids and proteins—are formed they must be moved from their point of origin or source, to a location where they are needed—a sink. Photosynthates are moved around the plant via the phloem tissue. Two elements in particular are crucial for the movement of photosynthate from source to sink. Potassium, in addition to its many other roles in the plant, serves to transport the products of photosynthesis around the plant. When organs such as flowers are forming, there is a great need for potassium in a plant. When deficiencies in potassium occur, there is often decreased flower set or a decrease in flower size and quality. The importance of potassium during times of high metabolic demand cannot be understated. Calcium is also important in the movement of photosynthate around a plant. Calcium has been found to be important in the loading of the phloem with the products of photosynthesis. If calcium were deficient, there would be problems with getting photosynthate into the phloem tissue and thus it would not be available to sink areas on the plant.
Inorganic nutrients have both direct and indirect effects on photosynthesis:
Direct effects
Usually reversible, such as rapid recovery of rate of net photosynthesis when a deficient element is reintroduced at the proper level (manganese in chloroplasts, for example).
Indirect effects
Ions involved in synthesis of enzymes and pigments, those involved in transport, etc. Potassium has an indirect effect via control of stomatal opening and closing."
"About the Author:
Bentley Mills owns Georgia-based FloraHydroponics. In Athens he operates a one acre commercial hydroponic greenhouse where he grows bibb lettuce, basil and watercress using deep pool floating raft technology. Bentley's background in horticulture began while managing Micro Macro International (MMI) where he was a lab manager for 12 years. MMI LABS performs nutritional analysis of soils, plant tissue, hydroponic solutions and fertilizers. Bentley can be contacted at"
guess whats in kelp and kelp extracts all the minerals that are mention above
and it goes on to say how effective and widely used a number of essential nutrients are currently in commercial agriculture.
Another article from same person and magazine http://www.maximumyield.com/article_sh_db.php?articleID=712&submit=Go
"It is common knowledge that plants are able to absorb essential elements through their leaves. The absorption takes place through the stomata of the leaves and also through the epidermis, and while the movement of elements is usually faster through the stomata, the total absorption may be just as great through the epidermis."The following elements have been successfully used to supply nutrients for plant growth by applying them as foliar leaf sprays:
Primary Nutrients Secondary Nutrients Micronutrients Nitrogen Magnesium Iron Molybdenum Phosphorus Calcium Zinc Manganese Potassium Sulfur Boron Chlorine Copper
One difficulty in using foliar sprays to supply essential elements to crops is that translocation of the applied element may not be rapid enough for increasing crop yields. With some plants this problem is more difficult than with others. For example, the relative mobility of essential nutrients in bean plants when applied as a foliar spray—in order of decreasing mobility—was as follows:
Mobile Partially Mobile Immobile Potassium Zinc Molybdenum Boron Phosphorus Copper Magnesium Calcium Chlorine Manganese Boron Iron Nitrogen Copper
Nitrogen fertilizer compounds have been used for several years as foliar sprays. Sodium nitrate, ammonium sulfate, potassium nitrate and urea have all been used experimentally, but only urea gives satisfactory results, as the other fertilizers cause leaf burning due partly to the high osmotic concentration of the spray solution."
So go on keep telling us it dont work and it is not worth it, and now both mineral content and hormonal content as been pretty much shown to be beneficial in my mind, thanks for making me dig up my reference collection of articles and magazines have fun.
Samwell Seed Well
Well-Known Member
reason why i believe kel pis not an issue to farm
As a possible renewable energy source
See also: Biomass energy, Algae fuel
Kelp has a high rate of growth and its decay is quite efficient in yielding methane, as well as sugars that can be converted to ethanol. It has been proposed that large open-ocean kelp farms could serve as a source of renewable energy.[11] Unlike some biofuels such as corn ethanol, kelp energy avoids "food vs fuel" issues and does not require irrigation.
Commercial uses
Giant kelp can be harvested fairly easily because of its surface canopy and growth habit of staying in deeper water.
Bongo kelp ash is rich in iodine and alkali. In great amount, kelp ash can be used in soap and glass production. Until the Leblanc process was commercialized in the early 19th century, burning of kelp in Scotland was one of the principal industrial sources of soda ash (predominantly sodium carbonate).[5] Alginate, a kelp-derived carbohydrate, is used to thicken products such as ice cream, jelly, salad dressing, and toothpaste, as well as an ingredient in exotic dog food and in manufactured goods[citation needed]. Alginate powder is also used frequently in general dentistry and orthodontics for making impressions of the upper and lower arches. These impressions are subsequently poured up in stone and the stone models are used in diagnosis and treatment [6]
Kelp is also used frequently in seaweed fertilizer, especially in the Channel Islands, where it is known as vraic.
Kombu (Saccharina japonica and others), several Pacific species of kelp, is a very important ingredient in Japanese cuisine. Kombu is used to flavor broths and stews (especially dashi), as a savory garnish (tororo konbu) for rice and other dishes, as a vegetable, and a primary ingredient in popular snacks (such as tsukudani). Transparent sheets of kelp (oboro konbu) are used as an edible decorative wrapping for rice and other foods.[7]
Kombu can be used to soften beans during cooking, and to help convert indigestible sugars and thus reduce flatulence.[8]
Because of its high concentration of iodine, brown kelp (Laminaria) has been used to treat goiter, an enlargement of the thyroid gland caused by a lack of iodine, since medieval times.[9]
In 2010 a group of researchers in the University of Newcastle found that a fibrous material called alginate in sea kelp was better at preventing fat absorption than most over-the-counter slimming treatments in laboratory trials. As a food additive it may be used to reduce fat absorption and thus obesity.[10]
is this what you mean by enviromental disasters
Conservation
Overfishing nearshore ecosystems leads to the degradation of kelp forests. Herbivores are released from their usual population regulation, leading to over-grazing of kelp and other algae. This can quickly result in barren landscapes where only a small number of species can thrive.[citation needed]
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As a possible renewable energy source
See also: Biomass energy, Algae fuel
Kelp has a high rate of growth and its decay is quite efficient in yielding methane, as well as sugars that can be converted to ethanol. It has been proposed that large open-ocean kelp farms could serve as a source of renewable energy.[11] Unlike some biofuels such as corn ethanol, kelp energy avoids "food vs fuel" issues and does not require irrigation.
Commercial uses
Giant kelp can be harvested fairly easily because of its surface canopy and growth habit of staying in deeper water.
Bongo kelp ash is rich in iodine and alkali. In great amount, kelp ash can be used in soap and glass production. Until the Leblanc process was commercialized in the early 19th century, burning of kelp in Scotland was one of the principal industrial sources of soda ash (predominantly sodium carbonate).[5] Alginate, a kelp-derived carbohydrate, is used to thicken products such as ice cream, jelly, salad dressing, and toothpaste, as well as an ingredient in exotic dog food and in manufactured goods[citation needed]. Alginate powder is also used frequently in general dentistry and orthodontics for making impressions of the upper and lower arches. These impressions are subsequently poured up in stone and the stone models are used in diagnosis and treatment [6]
Kelp is also used frequently in seaweed fertilizer, especially in the Channel Islands, where it is known as vraic.
Kombu (Saccharina japonica and others), several Pacific species of kelp, is a very important ingredient in Japanese cuisine. Kombu is used to flavor broths and stews (especially dashi), as a savory garnish (tororo konbu) for rice and other dishes, as a vegetable, and a primary ingredient in popular snacks (such as tsukudani). Transparent sheets of kelp (oboro konbu) are used as an edible decorative wrapping for rice and other foods.[7]
Kombu can be used to soften beans during cooking, and to help convert indigestible sugars and thus reduce flatulence.[8]
Because of its high concentration of iodine, brown kelp (Laminaria) has been used to treat goiter, an enlargement of the thyroid gland caused by a lack of iodine, since medieval times.[9]
In 2010 a group of researchers in the University of Newcastle found that a fibrous material called alginate in sea kelp was better at preventing fat absorption than most over-the-counter slimming treatments in laboratory trials. As a food additive it may be used to reduce fat absorption and thus obesity.[10]
is this what you mean by enviromental disasters
Conservation
Overfishing nearshore ecosystems leads to the degradation of kelp forests. Herbivores are released from their usual population regulation, leading to over-grazing of kelp and other algae. This can quickly result in barren landscapes where only a small number of species can thrive.[citation needed]
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Kelp is extremely sustainable to harvest. 2/3 of the plant mass are left alive and well to carry on growing after harvesting. Unlike pit mines or the waste from processing facilities, or the intense energy required to process his beloved frankenUrea.
UB is full of crap and he's a die-hard consumer. He loves purchasing and advertising that petrochemical garbage and gets angry when people tell him the truth about his (inexpensive) garbage. He shrouds his consumerism with attacks on other people who make even more senseless (expensive) purchases: such as ridiculous hyped extracts or certain brands of nutrients. Since his garbage is inexpensive, he's getting screwed less right? I got a can out on the curb to sell you for 8c, it's a deal I swear!
Kelp, on the other hand is a great substance for foliar feeding, soil drenches, ammendments and mulches. He hasn't had anything to say against that yet, except hypocritical shit about sustainability. Attacking the green consumer band-wagon, then using their arguments? Come on, I actually laughed out loud.
I mean, did you see how big I made him type in a fury of rage and loss of control? Must have hit a nerve, right Uncle ben?
edit: also if you had a clue, you wouldn't have posted your soil analysis and said "it tells me to use N!" If you knew anything about agriculture you'd know reccomendations are to apply a full dose(better if fractionned) of N, every year, dependant on the culture. Soil N is consumed or gassed off and is reset to nearly 0 every year. But you're an agricultural fuckin' genius.
UB is full of crap and he's a die-hard consumer. He loves purchasing and advertising that petrochemical garbage and gets angry when people tell him the truth about his (inexpensive) garbage. He shrouds his consumerism with attacks on other people who make even more senseless (expensive) purchases: such as ridiculous hyped extracts or certain brands of nutrients. Since his garbage is inexpensive, he's getting screwed less right? I got a can out on the curb to sell you for 8c, it's a deal I swear!
Kelp, on the other hand is a great substance for foliar feeding, soil drenches, ammendments and mulches. He hasn't had anything to say against that yet, except hypocritical shit about sustainability. Attacking the green consumer band-wagon, then using their arguments? Come on, I actually laughed out loud.
I mean, did you see how big I made him type in a fury of rage and loss of control? Must have hit a nerve, right Uncle ben?
edit: also if you had a clue, you wouldn't have posted your soil analysis and said "it tells me to use N!" If you knew anything about agriculture you'd know reccomendations are to apply a full dose(better if fractionned) of N, every year, dependant on the culture. Soil N is consumed or gassed off and is reset to nearly 0 every year. But you're an agricultural fuckin' genius.
Samwell Seed Well
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im just not going to put up with some one flat out lying to everyone to be an ass,
i have a nerve
it a large throbbing pulse between my legs
i have a nerve
it a large throbbing pulse between my legs
cannawizard
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**my CTs got kelp(s) in it, great stuff.. always wondered back then when i was a kid.. seeing all that stuff wash up, thinkin to myself..what the heck was it for, hehe (lifes funny)
Uncle Ben
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Snake Oil: Horticultural Myths and Legends
Page 4. Best paper I've read yet on the subject. It should be excellent as it was written by a scientist, a Ph.D in the field of horticulture as opposed to some dickhead pimping Advanced Shysters.
http://ceventura.ucdavis.edu/newsletters/Topics_in_Subtropics39882.pdf
Page 4. Best paper I've read yet on the subject. It should be excellent as it was written by a scientist, a Ph.D in the field of horticulture as opposed to some dickhead pimping Advanced Shysters.
http://ceventura.ucdavis.edu/newsletters/Topics_in_Subtropics39882.pdf