250w HPS Club And Help Guide

RobbieP

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whats everyones opinion on best growing method with a 250w HPS ? is it best to try n do a big bushy plant , eithor lst'ed or scrog or do you think its best to do say 10 little cuttings in a sog method ... i think in a 10 plant sog , you could aim for 1/2oz each cutting so 5oz total , and id image you could get 5oz out a single plant scrog but its a longer veg time but only 1 plant ... anyone have any ideas ?? do you lot here have any preference?
 

Doobieus

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whats everyones opinion on best growing method with a 250w HPS ? is it best to try n do a big bushy plant , eithor lst'ed or scrog or do you think its best to do say 10 little cuttings in a sog method ... i think in a 10 plant sog , you could aim for 1/2oz each cutting so 5oz total , and id image you could get 5oz out a single plant scrog but its a longer veg time but only 1 plant ... anyone have any ideas ?? do you lot here have any preference?
Pretty much with a 250 you want to keep your light penetration solid, which means keeping your plants under 3-4 feet. Other than that, good nutes, good medium, good environment and don't over love or under love it and you're good.

You could do SoG or SCRoG or LST or and achieve pretty much the same results. SoG would be better for perpetual, but if you don't have a perpetual/propagation set up then LST or SCRoG would probably be better. It really depends on what you're working with as far as setup and allowed grow time.

I like LST because it has different variants of LST for what kind of grow you have going, whether it be short, med/reg or long grow. SCRoG is nice too but I think that's better for a hydroponic setup personally. I mean the main point of LST or SCRoG is to re-route the auxins so that the side branches grow like meristems/main colas, so the concept of both is pretty much the same damn thing. The re-routing of auxins also applies to topping/fimming.
 

RobbieP

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It wont let me rep you again but great post bro! I am also a fan of LST , considering a SoG setup next time though just to get rid of a few seeds and for a variety of different strains as i only grow for personal. I hoping to try and find 2 or 3 gems out the seeds to keep as mothers as i prefer to work with clones :) heres a psycosis im currently growing in my journal , i did some simple early LST on her , she is being grown under my 250w and was taken this past sunday day 21 of 12/12.
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NatureaFinest

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Doobieus, ur a very knowledgable grower. I love reading ur posts as it seems u never forget to leave a single bit of info out. I agree with u 100% on lst and scrog. I love lst. I like to trim all my lower budsites that r more than 15 inches from my bulb. I was also wondering, at what point do u believe light bleaching would occur on a 250? I'm thinkn 6-7 in but idk. Thanks for sharing all ur knowledge with everyone. Hope ull be hanging with us for a while. + rep
 

Grazzmon

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Just about ready, since the pics I cut some holes in the cab top for my new CF and ventilation for the CoolTube that will be here tomorrow, got some beans about ready to pop :mrgreen: (using one of the seeds from the last grow and a Blue Mystic fem). Been putting a little more planning and prep into this next grow..
(Finally found something to do with those old golf balls..lol)


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Doobieus

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Doobieus, ur a very knowledgable grower. I love reading ur posts as it seems u never forget to leave a single bit of info out. I agree with u 100% on lst and scrog. I love lst. I like to trim all my lower budsites that r more than 15 inches from my bulb. I was also wondering, at what point do u believe light bleaching would occur on a 250? I'm thinkn 6-7 in but idk. Thanks for sharing all ur knowledge with everyone. Hope ull be hanging with us for a while. + rep
Oh I'll be around NFinest, as I have a Dinafem Blue Widow and DNA Genetics Kush Berry grow going at the moment. They're still young and not in bloom so I won't post pics until things start getting interesting lol.

Thanks for the compliments, I try to contribute to keep what Wretched started going, which is sharing knowledge with new and old growers. Hell sometimes I even learn something new here and there, it's a good thread.

Light bleaching would most likely occur around 3-4 inches for both MH and HPS. It also depends on what stage the plant is, and the plant's wants/needs. I don't believe a 250 is honestly powerful enough to really cause any light toxicity/bleaching issues, a 600 yeah probably a 250 more than likely nothing to worry about. I keep my light at 4 inches above the tops of my plants personally and don't have an issue. I'd be concerned about heat before bleaching/toxicity. I have AC cooled air going through my light so it keeps it nice and cool. I have a temp probe hanging 4 inches below the light to make sure my tops are around 76F - 78F. I have never seen or heard of a 250 causing light bleaching/toxicity but hey I guess it could happen, you never know. There are certain bits of knowledge that just don't apply to a smaller light like a 250, but apply more to the bigger grows that are packing 1k plus. I personally think this is one of those things, sometimes information gets muddy. Think of the game telephone lol.

15 inches isn't using your full potential for light penetration, you could bump that up a few inches to milk as many lumens as you can. If your temp and RH% are in check, you should try it out =]. A 250 is a small light, so maximizing it's performance is key. It's like having a 4 banger car lol, you want and need to max out performance.

Phew that was a lot ha, hope this helps.
 

Doobieus

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Just about ready, since the pics I cut some holes in the cab top for my new CF and ventilation for the CoolTube that will be here tomorrow, got some beans about ready to pop :mrgreen: (using one of the seeds from the last grow and a Blue Mystic fem). Been putting a little more planning and prep into this next grow..
(Finally found something to do with those old golf balls..lol)

Graz
Lol the golf ball is genius Grazz, I got a good giggle from that, very clever. Wow man you've been planning and working this new cab thing out huh? Lol you weren't kidding when you said you were cleaning it down and upgrading some. Cool this should be an interesting grow, good job Grazz can't wait to see how this grow goes. Keep us updated for sure.
 

NatureaFinest

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Oh I'll be around NFinest, as I have a Dinafem Blue Widow and DNA Genetics Kush Berry grow going at the moment. They're still young and not in bloom so I won't post pics until things start getting interesting lol.

Thanks for the compliments, I try to contribute to keep what Wretched started going, which is sharing knowledge with new and old growers. Hell sometimes I even learn something new here and there, it's a good thread.

Light bleaching would most likely occur around 3-4 inches for both MH and HPS. It also depends on what stage the plant is, and the plant's wants/needs. I don't believe a 250 is honestly powerful enough to really cause any light toxicity/bleaching issues, a 600 yeah probably a 250 more than likely nothing to worry about. I keep my light at 4 inches above the tops of my plants personally and don't have an issue. I'd be concerned about heat before bleaching/toxicity. I have AC cooled air going through my light so it keeps it nice and cool. I have a temp probe hanging 4 inches below the light to make sure my tops are around 76F - 78F. I have never seen or heard of a 250 causing light bleaching/toxicity but hey I guess it could happen, you never know. There are certain bits of. knowledge that just don't apply to a smaller light like a 250, but apply more to the bigger grows that are packing 1k plus. I personally think this is one of those things, sometimes information gets muddy. Think of the game telephone lol.

15 inches isn't using your full potential for light penetration, you could bump that up a few inches to milk as many lumens as you can. If your temp and RH% are in check, you should try it out =]. A 250 is a small light, so maximizing it's performance is key. It's like having a 4 banger car lol, you want and need to max out performance.

Phew that was a lot ha, hope this helps.
Very helpful! I was just wondering because I've read a lot about cool tubes having that certain spot that magnifies the light, if that makes sense, but as u said all that may have been talkn bout 600 & 1k. I'm excited to c ur grow when the time comes. I would like to try the kushberry someday there's just so many stains and so little time/space lol. Thanks for that informative write up. Ill leave some budsites further down on a few plants and c if I notice a gain. Thanks again
 

frankcast04

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what up guys just wanted to falow up with my harvest,sorry for any mis spells i just got of work(grave yard shift)i went ahead and pulled out the AWF to harvest the reast of it , i already choped the 3 main colas and this is whats left ill let you know how much it wighs after i trim it, i also did some QWISO with the few leaves that i got fom the pmaster harvest and it gaveme some hash and oil is not much but its strong a lil goes a loong way, the but next to the sprayer is the other cola from the other JH , so far i have just choped both the colas fotm both plants ill bee killing them girls in the next few daysDSCF5146.jpgDSCF5145.jpgDSCF5140.jpgDSCF5142.jpgDSCF5143.jpg
 

stonemalone

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ill be joining the 250w hps club in a few weeks when im done vegging my ak48, blue cheese clone and a bagseed plant :) lotta good info in this thread
 

Doobieus

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Very helpful! I was just wondering because I've read a lot about cool tubes having that certain spot that magnifies the light, if that makes sense, but as u said all that may have been talkn bout 600 & 1k. I'm excited to c ur grow when the time comes. I would like to try the kushberry someday there's just so many stains and so little time/space lol. Thanks for that informative write up. Ill leave some budsites further down on a few plants and c if I notice a gain. Thanks again
Cool tubes yeah, but on bigger lights usually. Yeah I'm excited to see my grow when the time comes too lol. Kushberry is a good strain heavy hitting potency from the OGK and the long lasting from the Blueberry. I'm more excited about the Blue Widow honestly, I hope I get the fruity gum plant.

Also no problem on the write up, I like to post when I'm baked so it's cool lol. You should notice at least a small gain, only stretch it to 16-17 inches rather than 15.

what up guys just wanted to falow up with my harvest,sorry for any mis spells i just got of work(grave yard shift)i went ahead and pulled out the AWF to harvest the reast of it , i already choped the 3 main colas and this is whats left ill let you know how much it wighs after i trim it, i also did some QWISO with the few leaves that i got fom the pmaster harvest and it gaveme some hash and oil is not much but its strong a lil goes a loong way, the but next to the sprayer is the other cola from the other JH , so far i have just choped both the colas fotm both plants ill bee killing them girls in the next few days
Yeah the taste on that QWISO is probably mighty fine as well, man I'm drooling over that lol. Glad that process worked out well for you dude, yeah the yield sucks but a little bit goes a mighty long way. Bet you're one happy Frank right about now lol, good job.

ill be joining the 250w hps club in a few weeks when im done vegging my ak48, blue cheese clone and a bagseed plant :) lotta good info in this thread
Lol you can join now if you want, I mean it is for 250 users mostly but everyone is definitely welcome here. Welcome to the club Stone.
 

frankcast04

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what up DOOBIEUS, ill be cuting my to jacks in two days you think leaving the plants for two days in the darkness will improve any thing? or is it a myht ? i read some threads some say it does others say it dosent do shit,has any one done this and got better resutls then do in it in the morning? thanks for you reply
 

Doobieus

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what up DOOBIEUS, ill be cuting my to jacks in two days you think leaving the plants for two days in the darkness will improve any thing? or is it a myht ? i read some threads some say it does others say it dosent do shit,has any one done this and got better resutls then do in it in the morning? thanks for you reply
It's not really myth honestly, well some of it I should say. The reason you give it darkness is when the plant is in dark the water goes back down to the roots. Then you harvest in the dark or when the lights kick back on but within the first couple of hours. Less water equals less dry time, it does help with the trichomes some but the main benefit would be to get as much of that water back into the soil before chopping the plant. The trichome thing isn't really a myth but it isn't something to go bonkers over either. Other than those two things I personally don't notice a swell or whatever other claims.

Hope this clears some stuff up.

Edit: Damn typos, I smoke too damn much lol. **Puts the pipe down**
 

Kalebaiden

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Hey there, just started using my 250 and I have some 19 day old plants for you to look at.


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Note the damage on the first set of true leaflets. (Blue Mystic #1)
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From the top it doesn't look so bad. (Blue Mystic #2)

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Sideview of Blue Mystic #2
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This is a strange thing, the margins of the leaflets turned up, almost like it was a lily pad.
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Top view of Blue Mystic #1

Let me know what you folks think.
 

file13

Active Member
i just got my 250 hps yesterday. i had about 250 watts worth of cfls before. just for all the people worried about heat... the hps is actually cooler than all them damn cfls. all i have is a small fan blowing across the space between the colas and the light. and the penitration is just so much better. forsure worth the money.
 

Grazzmon

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Lol the golf ball is genius Grazz, I got a good giggle from that, very clever. Wow man you've been planning and working this new cab thing out huh? Lol you weren't kidding when you said you were cleaning it down and upgrading some. Cool this should be an interesting grow, good job Grazz can't wait to see how this grow goes. Keep us updated for sure.
Thanks Doob, yeah I am all about going "Green"..lolo. But honestly, I like to reuse things that are just taking up space. I came up with something when thinking of how to hang my new CoolTube. I had a track for shelving, added some spacers and I wanted something strong but movable to hang lights and fans.. I just happened to look at the hook when I was hanging up my keys and thought "Key Rings!!" yeah.. lol. They seem to just multiply you know.. so I gathered a bunch up and...DSCN3171.jpgDSCN3170.jpgDSCN3172.jpg

Grazz
 

Doobieus

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Brenseid you can upload pics through the advanced editor. When you scroll down almost all the way to the bottom of the 250 thread, there is a box you type words in. There is a button that says "Go Advanced" click that, and it will bring you to a new page with the advanced editor. On this page scroll down a little bit until you see a button that says "Manage Attachments" this is where you can upload through the site. I suggest using the sites uploader versus photobucket etc. Most people don't have the proper security to not take that as a security risk, and unless you're pretty tech savvy it's more often than not a security risk to upload to photo sites like that.

As far as the pics, we need pictures of the plant while not under the HPS if possible. We also need pictures of the affected leaves or parts of the plant. These pictures should be clear shots. The picture you provided isn't close enough to tell really much at all except that you have a parabolic hood.



Thanks Doob, yeah I am all about going "Green"..lolo. But honestly, I like to reuse things that are just taking up space. I came up with something when thinking of how to hang my new CoolTube. I had a track for shelving, added some spacers and I wanted something strong but movable to hang lights and fans.. I just happened to look at the hook when I was hanging up my keys and thought "Key Rings!!" yeah.. lol. They seem to just multiply you know.. so I gathered a bunch up and...

Grazz
Nice lol!! You can take the s hooks and keyrings out and get a 2 pack of carabiners from Walmart for like 2-5 bucks or something. I had the same chain with my old setup lol and the same s hooks lol. Good idea for sure, but the carabiners add extra security because they are closed over the chain and bar so there is no chance of slip. We all know that the last thing we want is our lights to fall on our plants accidentally lol. I don't think you'd have a problem seeing as you seem pretty careful and smarter than the average bear.

Keep up the great work.
 

Doobieus

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Hey there, just started using my 250 and I have some 19 day old plants for you to look at.

Let me know what you folks think.
I will let you know what it looks like to me. Just a heads up though, HPS is the wrong spectrum for Veg. It'll still grow no doubt, however the blue side of the spectrum is what you want like from a MH. Like I said it will still grow and there's nothing wrong with using a HPS for Veg, but you will get better Veg results with a blue spectrum light.

Looks like over watering (The leaves looking heavy because the leaf tips curling downward.)
How often are you watering?

Looks like heat stress (The serrated leaves pointing upwards around the edges.)
What is your temp and humidity at?
How close is your light to the plant?

Looks like possible over nuting (Which can also cause leaf tips to curl some, and your foliage/leaves look fairly dark like N overfert. It could be strain though and I could be wrong. GreenGrower will have to chime in and let us know if this is what he experienced as far as leaf color with the BMystic.)
Have you started applying nutes?
If so when and how often every watering, every other watering?

I will try and help as much as possible but I need some information about your grow first.

Edit: Also welcome to the club, almost forgot to tell you lol.
 
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