Immigration Reform
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londonfog
Well-Known Member
I know you don't mean that...lol...demand creates jobs
companies that have employees or if they do hire, should get a tax credit. Rich people with no employees and don't plan on getting some then I say go ahead and tax the shit out of them
bedspirit
Active Member
Actually, I think you're right on with most of this. I know a lot of illegal immigrants and most them came here to work and send extra money home to their families. The real criminals are the pieces of shit who hire them. They intentionally hire illegal immigrants because they know that they will never complain about being shorted pay or complain about the ridiculous working conditions. These companies are driving down wages for everyone else.
The company I work for rents out space to one of these companies that only hires illegals. One cold winter day, they were trying to thaw out some fish. So these assholes decided to close all the doors in the production room and put the fish behind six propane forklifts. They were hoping the exhaust from the forklifts would be warm enough to thaw out the fish. It didn't take long before the workers started passing out from carbon monoxide poisoning. Fifty people went to the hospital that day and ten had to be flown to a special hospital. The company I worked for sent out a memo telling us all to shut the fuck up about it. I had an important position and I was too much of pussy to say anything to all the news anchors that had surrounded the premises. I thought for sure that one of those illegals would tell the truth about what happened, but I was wrong. None of them said a word because they were too afraid of being deported.
The company I work for rents out space to one of these companies that only hires illegals. One cold winter day, they were trying to thaw out some fish. So these assholes decided to close all the doors in the production room and put the fish behind six propane forklifts. They were hoping the exhaust from the forklifts would be warm enough to thaw out the fish. It didn't take long before the workers started passing out from carbon monoxide poisoning. Fifty people went to the hospital that day and ten had to be flown to a special hospital. The company I worked for sent out a memo telling us all to shut the fuck up about it. I had an important position and I was too much of pussy to say anything to all the news anchors that had surrounded the premises. I thought for sure that one of those illegals would tell the truth about what happened, but I was wrong. None of them said a word because they were too afraid of being deported.
driving down wages for everybody else??
what's driving down wages is something called the bottom line. which says that if the company isn't making billions upon billions in profit... then it's not performing up to par.
also driving down wages is worker's reduced ability to unionize and the continued push by republicans to take away unions ability to negotiate a greater share of corporate profits for its workers.
FACT.
what's driving down wages is something called the bottom line. which says that if the company isn't making billions upon billions in profit... then it's not performing up to par.
also driving down wages is worker's reduced ability to unionize and the continued push by republicans to take away unions ability to negotiate a greater share of corporate profits for its workers.
FACT.
Carne Seca
Well-Known Member
Yeah because that has nothing to do with the Recession which really should be called the Second Great Depression. Nope, It has to be those damn illegals.
No one person or group of people is the complete problem. You shouldn't be so shallow minded.
bedspirit
Active Member
I don't know if your comment was directed at me or someone else, but in my particular case, it does contribute to driving down wages. I'm in a Union and about six or seven years ago we were trying to negotiate a raise for our forklift drivers. The company said that our forklift drivers were already making more than the forklift drivers from several nearby companies. Those nearby companies were like the one I described. Ones that only hire illegals so they can treat them like shit and pay them very little because they know that these guys will never turn them in out of fear and most can't quit because good companies won't hire illegals.
I agree with you on the other reasons why wages are low in this country.
dukeanthony
New Member
If you are in a Union then you know why Unions are also trying to Organize the Illegals
yeah i know I was a Union Organizer
If you want Ill break it down to you how Illegals Help Bring down Union Efforts
wow. I am more right than I had realized at first
thank you for the lack of vagueness.wow. I am more right than I had realized at first
If you haven’t figured it out by now, public sector unions are not the friend of the taxpayer. Now, this isn’t saying that all union members deserve your contempt, but pretty much all union officials do. They are in it for their own money and power. Way down the line are their concerns about their union members, and if they are teachers unions, students don’t even show up on the radar. Americans are finally awakening to the truth by witnessing the protests in Madison, WI. As Democrat senators flee the state to avoid casting a vote on rolling back union benefits and their collective bargaining rules, Americans can see that that party is now being run by the unions, not the other way around. They want to raise taxes on you so they can keep their power, so Wisconsin taxpayers get to pay for the scene in Wisconsin this past week. Wisconsin isn’t the only state where this is coming to a forefront. This is from Steve Malanga at the Wall Street Journal.
…public-sector unions especially have become the nation’s most aggressive advocates for higher taxes and spending. They sponsor tax-raising ballot initiatives and pay for advertising and lobbying campaigns to pressure politicians into voting for them. And they mount multimillion dollar campaigns to defeat efforts by governors and taxpayer groups to roll back taxes.
Early last year, for example, Oregon‘s unions spearheaded a successful battle to pass ballot measures 66 and 67, which collectively raised business and income taxes in the state by an estimated $727 million annually. Led by $2 million from the Oregon Education Association and $1.8 million from the Service Employees International Union (SEIU), unions contributed an estimated 75% of the nearly $7 million raised to promote the tax increases, according to the National Institute on Money in State Politics.
Early last year, for example, Oregon‘s unions spearheaded a successful battle to pass ballot measures 66 and 67, which collectively raised business and income taxes in the state by an estimated $727 million annually. Led by $2 million from the Oregon Education Association and $1.8 million from the Service Employees International Union (SEIU), unions contributed an estimated 75% of the nearly $7 million raised to promote the tax increases, according to the National Institute on Money in State Politics.
dukeanthony
New Member
Union Leaders are Elected by their members Directly
unions don't just represent public workers.
they also represent PRIVATE ENTERPRISE.
and you think class size and teacher's pay doesn't tie into the overall class experience for a student....
then i don't know... it does...
less students per classroom, generally, the better the class performs, on average. and teachers pay for a LOT of their own teaching supplies out of pocket, so more money they have, the better experience the students receive.
my sister is a 11 year veteran of the public school system. she teaches 9th and 10th graders chemistry and biology. she's out there on the front lines every day with 14-16 year olds and doesn't even make 40k per year.
they also represent PRIVATE ENTERPRISE.
and you think class size and teacher's pay doesn't tie into the overall class experience for a student....
then i don't know... it does...
less students per classroom, generally, the better the class performs, on average. and teachers pay for a LOT of their own teaching supplies out of pocket, so more money they have, the better experience the students receive.
my sister is a 11 year veteran of the public school system. she teaches 9th and 10th graders chemistry and biology. she's out there on the front lines every day with 14-16 year olds and doesn't even make 40k per year.
dukeanthony
New Member
Your article was funded by this group
The Manhattan Institute for Policy Research (renamed in 1981 from the International Center for Economic Policy Studies) is a conservative,[1][2] market-oriented[3] think tank established in New York City in 1978 by Antony Fisher and William J. Casey, with its headquarters at 52 Vanderbilt Avenue in Midtown Manhattan.[4] The organization describes its mission as to "develop and disseminate new ideas that foster greater economic choice and individual responsibility". The Institute, known for its advocacy of free market-based solutions to policy problems, supports and publicizes research on the economy, energy, education, health care, welfare reform, the legal system, crime reduction, and urban life[clarification needed], among others. Its message is communicated through books, articles, interviews, speeches, op-eds, and through the institute's quarterly publication City Journal, targeted at policymakers, politicians, scholars, and journalists.
When they organize—merely as an interest group, quite apart from formal collective bargaining—they have several more immense advantages. By leveraging their numbers and resources, their organizations can become major players in politics. At election time, public employees can therefore play a large role in choosing their own employers or bosses (by getting certain people elected and not others), which of course no private-sector union can do. At all levels of government today, public-worker unions are among the biggest political donors. Between elections, they can use that political power to influence those elected officials and the political process more generally to improve their pay, benefits, or conditions, and also to increase demand for their services through legislation that increases the size or role of government (as the California prison guards union was instrumental in passing the state’s three-strikes law, for instance) or that prevents competition (as the teachers’ unions do in opposing school-choice programs). In all these ways, public workers have enormous powers that private workers could not dream of, and all without actual formal collective bargaining.
When you add collective bargaining to that mix, the unions gain the power to make in private negotiations decisions that should be made in public deliberations—decisions about public priorities and public budgets. And they turn public employees into a formal procedural adversary of the public they serve…Franklin Roosevelt said that “collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service.”
When you add collective bargaining to that mix, the unions gain the power to make in private negotiations decisions that should be made in public deliberations—decisions about public priorities and public budgets. And they turn public employees into a formal procedural adversary of the public they serve…Franklin Roosevelt said that “collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service.”
dukeanthony
New Member
So you are against the constitutional Right of Free assembly?
OR
Are you saying its Ok for Businesses to form groups, corporations to form groups and Religous Groups to form Groups
But not workers
well mr. roosvelt was wrong there.
public employees deserve good pay. everybody deserves good pay.
this idea that public service workers should just be relegated to poverty or treated as second class pieces of crap rattles me.
they're people and deserve a decent pay for a good day's work.
public employees deserve good pay. everybody deserves good pay.
this idea that public service workers should just be relegated to poverty or treated as second class pieces of crap rattles me.
they're people and deserve a decent pay for a good day's work.
londonfog
Well-Known Member
Agree..I come from a family of teachers and they are one of the most underpaid professions that does so much for the world...
Its just intresting to see where the money goes. you know? A wise man once told me "following the money trail will lead you to whos in charge"
in 2010, teachers unions and public-safety unions in Arizona were influential players in the successful ballot campaign to increase the state’s sales tax to 6.6% from 5.6% to raise an additional $1 billion…The public unions…wanted the tax hike precisely to avoid government spending cuts.
The failed initiative last year in Washington state to raise taxes on the rich was bankrolled by public-sector unions.
…According to Ballotpedia.com, state and national SEIU locals gave $2.5 million, while the National Education Association and Washington teachers union locals contributed $900,000 to the $6 million campaign for the new income tax…
…In 2004, California labor groups—including the California Teachers Association, the SEIU, and health interests such as the California Council of Community Health Agencies—led a successful $4.7 million campaign to raise the state income tax on those making more than $1 million and devote the money to health-care funding. In all, public unions gave $1 million to the Proposition 63 effort, while public health groups donated another $1.3 million, according to HealthVote.org.
in 2010, teachers unions and public-safety unions in Arizona were influential players in the successful ballot campaign to increase the state’s sales tax to 6.6% from 5.6% to raise an additional $1 billion…The public unions…wanted the tax hike precisely to avoid government spending cuts.
The failed initiative last year in Washington state to raise taxes on the rich was bankrolled by public-sector unions.
…According to Ballotpedia.com, state and national SEIU locals gave $2.5 million, while the National Education Association and Washington teachers union locals contributed $900,000 to the $6 million campaign for the new income tax…
…In 2004, California labor groups—including the California Teachers Association, the SEIU, and health interests such as the California Council of Community Health Agencies—led a successful $4.7 million campaign to raise the state income tax on those making more than $1 million and devote the money to health-care funding. In all, public unions gave $1 million to the Proposition 63 effort, while public health groups donated another $1.3 million, according to HealthVote.org.