The Truth About Ron Paul - Part 2

[londonfog]

your comment demonstrates a complete and continuing lack of understanding as to how the primaries work,

I live in the real world and understand they might not be able to put up who they actually want, but they can stop who they don't like... hang around and you will see what I mean

 

[Prefontaine]

I live in the real world and understand they might not be able to put up who they actually want, but they can stop who they don't like... hang around and you will see what I mean

unfortunatley you have yet to show us these wonderful sources that prove that the republican party reviews the individual results of the states and then has opportunity to influence the representatives, thats kind of like saying that the current president gets to twist the arm of the electoral college, which is a gross misrepresentation of how the system works,

so since last time i showed you all my sources demonstrating how the primaries are decided, how about you show us these figures where the state vote was changed by the republican "overseeing commitee" that you claim has so much power?

or are you full of shit?

 

[UncleBuck]

A day ago people were throwing H.R. 7955 as proof that Ron Paul is anti-homosexual. Well seeing as the gov website is back up I looked up the bill. Let's take a look:


In defense of his "anti-homosexual" part of the bill I have to say that I don't see anything wrong with it. I think it isn't right for the government to use federal taxpayer money (this includes money from people who are against homosexuality) to fund organizations that promote homosexuality. How in the world does this make him against homosexuals?
Although there are parts of that proposed bill I am somewhat against; overall I think it is an awesome bill that he wrote and proposed and if I were in congress I would have absolutely voted for it.

Seriously, for the people who say Ron Paul is pro corporations and anti-lower and middle class just look at how many tax deductions for the poor and middle class he proposed. Look at how much he promoted taking care of the elderly and providing the elderly with their entire social security check. It's truly sad that this got shot down.

look at how the original statement is not taken out of context (that is more directed at prefontaine).

yep, nothing mitigating or exculpatory about that. he just wants to make sure to do what he can to make sure homosexuality is not viewed as an acceptable lifestyle.

i would like for ron paul to tell my gay friends right to their faces: your lifestyle is not acceptable. i'd like it on film, too, and give the old turtle fucker the media attention he so dearly wants by plastering it on every media outlet.

something tells me that wouldn't curry him any favor.

 

[beardo]

Beardo do you really think he will get the Republican party to give him the nod to run in the general ????

No.
I do think if a huge majority of citizens show up and vote for Paul in the primaries things will get real interesting- And in a way that's positive for our country.
If he gets numbers and turn out where it is impossible to hide or manipulate the fact and the perception that he is the choice of the people- I'm not sure exactly what they would do or what would happen and I'm not sure if they refuse to elect him what the peoples reaction would be.
I think Paul is still a ways off from the % of people it would take for a situation like i'm talking about, but every person who listens to Paul or reads one of his books should be another vote for Paul in the primaries- It is very hard to argue with Truth Reason and Logic and that is what Dr Paul brings to the table

 

[sync0s]

look at how the original statement is not taken out of context (that is more directed at prefontaine).

yep, nothing mitigating or exculpatory about that. he just wants to make sure to do what he can to make sure homosexuality is not viewed as an acceptable lifestyle.

i would like for ron paul to tell my gay friends right to their faces: your lifestyle is not acceptable. i'd like it on film, too, and give the old turtle fucker the media attention he so dearly wants by plastering it on every media outlet.

something tells me that wouldn't curry him any favor.

Doing everything he can, as you say, would be to outlaw it or ban it from marriage recognition. He has not done that in fact advocates a states rights to choose. With this he is merely stopping federal funded organizations from doing so with federal money.

 

[NoDrama]

look at how the original statement is not taken out of context (that is more directed at prefontaine).

yep, nothing mitigating or exculpatory about that. he just wants to make sure to do what he can to make sure homosexuality is not viewed as an acceptable lifestyle.

i would like for ron paul to tell my gay friends right to their faces: your lifestyle is not acceptable. i'd like it on film, too, and give the old turtle fucker the media attention he so dearly wants by plastering it on every media outlet.

something tells me that wouldn't curry him any favor.

It seems clear to me that you are not understanding this at all. RP has no qualms about gay people, he feels the Federal government should have no say and that no taxpayer should have to foot the bill on FEDERAL money. How you loons don't understand this is inconceivable to me. If RP decided he wanted to do away with Federal money paying for the Drug War, you all would interpret that to mean he does massive amounts of drugs and wants everyone to be an addict. Only a Simpleton would interpret it that way. Are you a simpleton?

 

[UncleBuck]

It seems clear to me that you are not understanding this at all. RP has no qualms about gay people....

except that he feels that their lifestyle is not acceptable. i'd count that as a "qualm"

he feels the Federal government should have no say...

then why does he write a bill on the federal level making sure that gays are deemed to have unacceptable lifestyles?

and that no taxpayer should have to foot the bill on FEDERAL money. How you loons don't understand this is inconceivable to me. If RP decided he wanted to do away with Federal money paying for the Drug War, you all would interpret that to mean he does massive amounts of drugs and wants everyone to be an addict. Only a Simpleton would interpret it that way. Are you a simpleton?

i must be a loon and a simpleton for thinking that ron paul views gays as having an unacceptable lifestyle.

the insults really drive the point home.

 

[sync0s]

except that he feels that their lifestyle is not acceptable. i'd count that as a "qualm"



then why does he write a bill on the federal level making sure that gays are deemed to have unacceptable lifestyles?



i must be a loon and a simpleton for thinking that ron paul views gays as having an unacceptable lifestyle.

the insults really drive the point home.

He never says that he feels it is unacceptable or anything of the sort. That's your pathetic twist on things. The only thing that bill does is cut funding to organizations who portray it as an acceptable lifestyle. Meaning he is pulling the federal government out of it.

This argument is just as stupid as the being anti-affirmative action makes you a racist argument.

 

[UncleBuck]

He never says that he feels it is unacceptable or anything of the sort. That's your pathetic twist on things. The only thing that bill does is cut funding to organizations who portray it as an acceptable lifestyle. Meaning he is pulling the federal government out of it.

This argument is just as stupid as the being anti-affirmative action makes you a racist argument.

so, the bills you write have no reflection on your values?

could i write a bill that prohibits federal funding to any organization that tries to portray blacks as anything other than 95% criminals and incredibly fleet-footed and that would have no reflection on my values?

not to mention that this bill dispels the notion that ron paul only sees individuals, not groups. he clearly singled out a group AND labeled their lifestyle as not acceptable.

spin that any way you wish, it is a reflection on his values at the time.

 

[hazyintentions]

i would like for ron paul to tell my gay friends right to their faces: your lifestyle is not acceptable. i'd like it on film, too, and give the old turtle fucker the media attention he so dearly wants by plastering it on every media outlet.

After already going over this I'll say it yet again.

If Ron Paul was going to say anything to your gay friends' faces it would be " I don't think the federal government should finance any organization which portrays homosexuality as an acceptable lifestyle"

His personal opinion may be that he doesn't approve of gays but he is not trying to dictate other people. The bill you continually go back to only stops the federal government from funding these organizations, the idea being that government should not lean in either direction except to not get involved, do you understand that concept or should I put it in crayon for you?

spin that any way you wish, it is a reflection on his values at the time.

Says the guy trying to say that a politician supporting/introducing a bill stopping federal government from funding an organization of special interests therefore giving the Federal government a foothold in people's personal lives is the politician directly saying he doesn't think the group is acceptable.

Grow up, or maybe we should all start drawing bubble maps ?

 

[UncleBuck]

After already going over this I'll say it yet again.

If Ron Paul was going to say anything to your gay friends' faces it would be " I don't think the federal government should finance any organization which portrays homosexuality as an acceptable lifestyle"

that would be acceptable for me. plaster that all over the news and wait for the reaction!

His personal opinion may be that he doesn't approve of gays but he is not trying to dictate other people.

that must be why he wrote a bill that dictates that gays do not have an acceptable lifestyle

The bill you continually go back to only stops the federal government from funding these organizations, the idea being that government should not lean in either direction except to not get involved, do you understand that concept or should I put it in crayon for you?

if it should not lean in either direction, why did he pick a very specific, anti-gay direction in which to lean?

stumbling across hr 7955 was the best thing to happen to me this week. watching you guys try to spin and defend this is awesome. the better move would be to admit it is a stupid thing to put into an otherwise palatable bill, that his views have evolved (witness his recent dadt vote), and that this should be buried in the past. people make mistakes.

but no, you guys choose to defend the indefensible.

 

[Carne Seca]

It seems clear to me that you are not understanding this at all. RP has no qualms about gay people, he feels the Federal government should have no say and that no taxpayer should have to foot the bill on FEDERAL money. How you loons don't understand this is inconceivable to me. If RP decided he wanted to do away with Federal money paying for the Drug War, you all would interpret that to mean he does massive amounts of drugs and wants everyone to be an addict. Only a Simpleton would interpret it that way. Are you a simpleton?

I love how you all want to deify Ron Paul but the truth is, he said out of his own mouth, that if he had been in congress he would have voted yes on DOMA. As I stated earlier. I know what his stance is on marriage and the LGBT's. Everything else is bullshit and whitewash.

 

[Mr Neutron]

What is DOMA and LGBT?
nevermind...
Why are so many worried sick about what rights gay and lesbians have and no regard for the rights for ALL Americans?
Individualism vs Collectivism

 

[dukeanthony]

What is DOMA and LGBT?
nevermind...
Why are so many worried sick about what rights gay and lesbians have and no regard for the rights for ALL Americans?
Individualism vs Collectivism

Oh you mean your ok with discrimination as long as it isnt against you
Ok now i get ya

 

[Mr Neutron]

Oh you mean your ok with discrimination as long as it isnt against you
Ok now i get ya

ROTFLMAO... STOP IT... my sides hurt... LOL
You don't mind lying and spinning things in your favor, even when it is painfully obvious. You are a poser. You do not believe what you post. You are a sham, a scam and a fraud. I will waste no more time on you. bye

 

[tryingtogrow89]

What is DOMA and LGBT?
nevermind...
Why are so many worried sick about what rights gay and lesbians have and no regard for the rights for ALL Americans?
Individualism vs Collectivism

Couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[dukeanthony]

guess gays aren't americans in your opinion?

 

[tryingtogrow89]

guess gays aren't americans in your opinion?

Quit spinning shit around.
If you want to be that black and white with your sensationalism, and i were asked, "would you choose to support gays rights or human sovereignty?"
Obviously my answer is human sovereignty, because it would automatically give gays rights as long as those gays are human.
Get it? good.
Now maybe your head is only in your ass up to your ears, lets keep tugging though, or else it will be back to the base of your neck.

 

[Carthoris]

Regardless of that it does nothing to say homosexuality is wrong, it only stops federal funding for organizations that do. I think that if the bill had attempted to stop federal funding of organizations that promote or demote homosexuality, it wouldn't have been as big of a deal.

I don't recall any federally funded organizations that were there to demote homosexuality.

 

[dukeanthony]

Quit spinning shit around.
If you want to be that black and white with your sensationalism, and i were asked, "would you choose to support gays rights or human sovereignty?"
Obviously my answer is human sovereignty, because it would automatically give gays rights as long as those gays are human.
Get it? good.
Now maybe your head is only in your ass up to your ears, lets keep tugging though, or else it will be back to the base of your neck.

Unless of course they want to get married
OR
A state rules they should be imprisoned for Sodomy

Because Ron Paul is all about state rights and against the 1964 civil rights act
Which BTW protects employees from sexual harrassment