The Truth About Ron Paul - Part 2

Parker

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I just addressed this, can't you read?
I've many many immigrants from Mexico who did come here legaaly, they went throu ghthe steps to get their work permits and paid what the government wanted. Something like a small chunk of each paycheck until they paid about 5,000 to the government for their citizenship. Not the most ideal way for it to be done but still realistic.
What's unrealistic is allowing illegals to come here and then siphon off what work and money they can to send back Mexico and defend them for breaking the law!
hey, what was the bet again?
exactly. people learn it's okay to cheat the system. The government is not exactly building character are they?
 

Parker

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You know I understand where you are about to go. SO let me relay this conversation I had with a Meatpacker a Farmer and a Restaurant owner.

They told me we need to fix immigration becuase they just cannot get enough College educated Professionals to
cut the Meat
pick the crops
and do the dishes
No its because they can get illegals to work who will not report them OR collect disability. Check out the poultry industry. They are notorious for that.

They never had college educated people doing those jobs before so why would they need illegals now?
 

Parker

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Sir with all due respect
You are Full of shit or they are. My wife and i went thru the Immigration Process. Lucky for us she wasnt Mexican. The wait to get a visa is decades if your a Mexican. And although it costs Money its no where near 5 grand.
F1 F2bs F3 and F4 visas are at a minimum 15 year wait just to get a visa
http://travel.state.gov/visa/bulletin/bulletin_5542.html

Now you want to talk about Immigration? I been thru the process.
Many illegals come here for the welfare and not to assimilate. America does not need low income people applying. That is destructive to an economy since many will end up on public asssitance. There are many opportunities to get work visas. Because someone applies for citizenship does not mean they are entitled to it.

Why did it take you so long?

http://www.uscitizenship.info/ins-citizenship-process.html
Depending on where and when you choose to file your application, the period of time between sending in the completed application and the interview to become a U.S. Citizen can vary from five months to more than two years.

http://immigration-law.freeadvice.com/immigration-law/citizenship/us_citizen_filing_length.htm
Once your application if filed, the approval time to become a U.S. citizen varies by person and location. If you live in an area with heavy immigrant populations, it is not unusual to wait 2 years or more to become a naturalized citizen. The INS claims to be working to reducing the processing time for naturalization to approximately 6 months. However, that goal has not yet been reached. In the meantime, you can take steps to prevent delays in your application.

http://uscitizenshiptestguide.com/text/apply.html
Normally it takes approximately 6 month from the date the application is filed.
However, according to the news released by US Citizenship and Immigrant Service (USCIS) on 1/16/2008, due to the significant increase in the number of applications filed, processing times have been affected. As a result, average processing times for certain application types filed after June 1, 2007, may become longer. Citizenship applications may take approximately 16-18 months to process.
 

Carthoris

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you said it right when you stated "a huge portion of the land to the west is land we stole from these 'immigrants'. A war of American aggression at that."...I guess they just getting back what they are owed
lol, thanks for being kind and leaving the first part of the sentence, which didn't connect, off. Drinking is bad.
 

Carthoris

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I cannot speak for California (I'm a bit ignorant when it comes to California history), but Texas joined the union voluntarily. Texas fought for its independence under similar circumstances as the American Revolution. 10 years after Texas had won its independence, we joined the United States.
Texas didn't rebel against Mexico, white people from the USA, many of them illegals, invaded Texas and then decided they were going to start there own country. Mexico never relinquished claim over Texas, and intended to retake the territory. America purposely admitted Texas to the USA with the reasoning that it could invade Mexico in self defense and then steal California and gain a footing on the other coast. This entire war was an outright invasion of Mexico. No one with knowledge of history would suggest otherwise.

Essentially, we gangstered the Mexicans. You can read more about it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican-American_War Or, as the Mexicans would call it "American invasion of Mexico".
 

Carthoris

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It would be quick, that's for sure. The longest I would ever think it could last, is as long as it would take for the market to produce and distribute the desired products.

No more getting ripped off by shady dealers, no more risk of being mugged. How many people can bring their bag back to the dealer to demand a refund for shitty weed?
I wouldn't deal with someone who would sell me shitty weed and not fix it if he did. I guess we all have different standards:)
 

Carthoris

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What was stolen from them was stolen by people who have been dead for generations, from people who have also been dead for generations. The immigration policy applied to Mexicans should be no more stringent or lax than the policy applied to other nationalities. See my previous post on what I believe to be a proper immigration policy.
Agreed that it is over. I also feel that way about Israel having been remade. The people that were gangstered there are still alive though.
 

Carthoris

Well-Known Member
you missed the point, douche. Legals will do the jobs, pay those taxes, AND by doing those jobs they no longer are on government assistance. You are not taking into account the future harm legals suffer because of the harm illegals do. How many illegals lost houses? Lost their future?
Minorities are hit harder than anyone you repulsive sack of shit. Who do you think was doing the jobs the illegals are doing now?
The housing bill impacted minorities the most also. What little savings they had, meaning equity, was lost in the crash. The poor, meaning minorities, didn't get bailed out. So next time you regurgitate the sperm from your goats love muscle think before you call someone prejudiced.
Not to mention if you couldn't get people to pick tomatoes, you would offer more money to pick them. Eventually picking tomatoes would be a job worth doing or no one would do it. The price of tomatoes would go up to reflect this. This is the market fixing a lack of labor by increasing wages. In turn, this would cause labor needs in other industries as well, and wages would rise.
 

Carthoris

Well-Known Member
Many illegals come here for the welfare and not to assimilate. America does not need low income people applying. That is destructive to an economy since many will end up on public asssitance. There are many opportunities to get work visas. Because someone applies for citizenship does not mean they are entitled to it.

Why did it take you so long?

http://www.uscitizenship.info/ins-citizenship-process.html
Depending on where and when you choose to file your application, the period of time between sending in the completed application and the interview to become a U.S. Citizen can vary from five months to more than two years.

http://immigration-law.freeadvice.com/immigration-law/citizenship/us_citizen_filing_length.htm
Once your application if filed, the approval time to become a U.S. citizen varies by person and location. If you live in an area with heavy immigrant populations, it is not unusual to wait 2 years or more to become a naturalized citizen. The INS claims to be working to reducing the processing time for naturalization to approximately 6 months. However, that goal has not yet been reached. In the meantime, you can take steps to prevent delays in your application.

http://uscitizenshiptestguide.com/text/apply.html
Normally it takes approximately 6 month from the date the application is filed.
However, according to the news released by US Citizenship and Immigrant Service (USCIS) on 1/16/2008, due to the significant increase in the number of applications filed, processing times have been affected. As a result, average processing times for certain application types filed after June 1, 2007, may become longer. Citizenship applications may take approximately 16-18 months to process.
I don't have an issue with limiting immigration, posting our military at the borders, building a 50 billion dollar tall fence My issue is how we treat these people who are just people like us. They aren't evil drug dealers coming over to mooch welfare, they are human beings who are coming here because they know they can make their lives better. Anyone who wouldn't break the laws if their family was starving and destitute is a coward. It isn't like they are robbing people or murdering, they are just crossing a border to come here for work. You get criminals of every race, most Mexicans are not criminals, just poor.

The real solution to the immigration problem has little to do with immigration. If we stopped buying from China and set Mexico up to succeed then we would have a neighbor who prospered and helped us to prosper. Mexico is a trade partner, China is a seller. We buy and sell in Mexico, we only buy in China.
 

Antidisestablishmentarian

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Texas History lesson:

The Texians that won the Texas independence were there with permission from Mexico. They were actually Mexican citizens that rebelled after Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna took over control of Mexico and scrapped the constitution that the Texians agreed to adhere to when they came to settle the land with Mexicos PERMISSION.
 

dukeanthony

New Member
Many illegals come here for the welfare and not to assimilate. America does not need low income people applying. That is destructive to an economy since many will end up on public asssitance. There are many opportunities to get work visas. Because someone applies for citizenship does not mean they are entitled to it.

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1 ILLEGALS ARE NOT ELGIBLE FOR FEDERAL ENTITLEMENT PROGRAMS
2 THE STATE DEPARTMENT IS WORKING ON VISAS FILED BEFORE 1996 FOR MEXICANS

SOME AS FAR BACK AS 1992.

WHICH ISNT EXACTLY FAIR SINCE A EUROPEAN CAN GET HERE WITH THE SAME QUALIFICATIONS IN LESS THAN A YEAR
http://travel.state.gov/visa/bulletin/bulletin_5452.html <---- STATE DEPARTMENT WEBSITE CHECK OUT THE PROCESSING TIMES FOR MEXICANS YOURSELF
 

dukeanthony

New Member
not to mention if you couldn't get people to pick tomatoes, you would offer more money to pick them. Eventually picking tomatoes would be a job worth doing or no one would do it. The price of tomatoes would go up to reflect this. This is the market fixing a lack of labor by increasing wages. In turn, this would cause labor needs in other industries as well, and wages would rise.
georgia farmers were paying 12-18 bucks an hour with attendance bonuses and sign up bonuses
when that didnt work the govenor tried forcing parolees to pick the feilds

your argument has been proven false in a state with over 9% unemployment
 

Carthoris

Well-Known Member
Texas History lesson:

The Texians that won the Texas independence were there with permission from Mexico. They were actually Mexican citizens that rebelled after Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna took over control of Mexico and scrapped the constitution that the Texians agreed to adhere to when they came to settle the land with Mexicos PERMISSION.
Were sorry, your answer is wrong, thanks for playing.


In 1829, as a result of the large influx of American immigrants, the Americans outnumbered Mexicans in the Texas territory. The Mexican government decided to bring back the property tax, increase tariffs on U.S. shipped goods, and prohibit slavery. The settlers rejected the demands, which led to Mexico closing Texas to additional immigration. However, Americans continued to flow into the Texas territory. In 1834, General Antonio López de Santa Anna became the dictator of Mexico, abandoning the federal system. He decided to squash the semi-independence of Texas.

After this battle, which the Texans won, they made Santa Anna sign a paper under duress which was never ratified by their congress and so meant nothing. Previous to the United States annexing Texas and gangstering the Mexicans Texas was at best a disputed territory, and at worse it was part of Mexico and America invaded Mexico. Even our own politicians stated openly that this is what was going down. Texas, as a independent state, never existed. It went from being a Mexican territory to being annexed by America.

There was never any treaty that made Texas an independent country. It wasn't until America decided to do this massive land grab that the papers Santa Anna signed while a prisoner in Texas were even considered 'treaties' when they clearly were not. This wasn't even legal without going to the point that Santa Anna had no legal standing to sign them to begin with.

No one really even cared about Texas. They wanted California.
 

Carthoris

Well-Known Member
1 ILLEGALS ARE NOT ELGIBLE FOR FEDERAL ENTITLEMENT PROGRAMS
2 THE STATE DEPARTMENT IS WORKING ON VISAS FILED BEFORE 1996 FOR MEXICANS

SOME AS FAR BACK AS 1992.

WHICH ISNT EXACTLY FAIR SINCE A EUROPEAN CAN GET HERE WITH THE SAME QUALIFICATIONS IN LESS THAN A YEAR
http://travel.state.gov/visa/bulletin/bulletin_5452.html <---- STATE DEPARTMENT WEBSITE CHECK OUT THE PROCESSING TIMES FOR MEXICANS YOURSELF
Even though you are horribly wrong on most other things, you are right on this.

Hey, heres a funny question. Who was the last Mexican terrorist?
 

Carthoris

Well-Known Member
georgia farmers were paying 12-18 bucks an hour with attendance bonuses and sign up bonuses
when that didnt work the govenor tried forcing parolees to pick the feilds

your argument has been proven false in a state with over 9% unemployment
When did it get proven false? When did anyone say it was instantaneous? The price of food needs to go up. It can not continue to be at the level it is at without what is illegal slave labor to keep the prices low. The free market is working exactly how it is supposed to. Crops are labor intensive, and to legally grow them costs more than we are currently paying. The people should pay whatever it costs to produce the crops legally. It might take a few years to get everything right, but it is what it is.

I mean, we aren't talking about a long running law that is failing miserably(social security, medicare, disability, food stamps, DOE, ect). We are talking about something that just started.
 

Carthoris

Well-Known Member
georgia farmers were paying 12-18 bucks an hour with attendance bonuses and sign up bonuses
when that didnt work the govenor tried forcing parolees to pick the feilds

your argument has been proven false in a state with over 9% unemployment
Was there a massive food shortage, and what happened with all the crops that didn't get picked?
 
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