The Truth About Ron Paul - Part 2

dukeanthony

dukeanthony

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hazyintentions said:
I will wholeheartedly agree to disagree with you. We are not the police of the world, we are over extended. I don't know how else I could explain it, if the simple effect it has on our economy is not easy enough to understand then how about the fact that we (USA) became this presence after 9/11 further supporting conspiracy ideals that 9/11 was an excuse to go over there and honestly you seem to have bough into this idea that somehow we BELONG over there.

As for the amount of oil traveling through Iranian waters, there should be other routes and if Iran does decide to attack shipments then I'm sure the countries of the world can ban together to protect their exports becuase as you said yourself America is a huge military power and I doubt we will have to worry much about Iran trying to take over the shipments, maybe some rag tag pirating but nothing more can be expected.

In the issue of EV's, of course we can't suddenly switch, that's not what I'm suggesting, be a slow transgression from oil to electric, start developing more efficient technologies for creating and delivering electricity, build more nuclear power plants with extreme precautions taken and build them without a time table so that Americans can trust in them versus being on the edge as promoted by some media. Start supporting the small companies who are developing more efficient batteries, electric motors, and regenerative systems.

In fact it's quite possible that given the right technology the USA can develop an electric vehicle with such an efficient self recharging system (hub generators) that in theory you can own an EV and never have to plug it in except maybe on extremely cold weather.
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NO there are no other reasonable routes and Iran already has plans to block the straights of Hormuz which is the choke point all tankers must go thru to get to open seas and onto the world markets
 
The Ruiner

The Ruiner

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hazyintentions said:
I will wholeheartedly agree to disagree with you. We are not the police of the world, we are over extended. I don't know how else I could explain it, if the simple effect it has on our economy is not easy enough to understand then how about the fact that we (USA) became this presence after 9/11 further supporting conspiracy ideals that 9/11 was an excuse to go over there and honestly you seem to have bough into this idea that somehow we BELONG over there.

As for the amount of oil traveling through Iranian waters, there should be other routes and if Iran does decide to attack shipments then I'm sure the countries of the world can ban together to protect their exports becuase as you said yourself America is a huge military power and I doubt we will have to worry much about Iran trying to take over the shipments, maybe some rag tag pirating but nothing more can be expected.

In the issue of EV's, of course we can't suddenly switch, that's not what I'm suggesting, be a slow transgression from oil to electric, start developing more efficient technologies for creating and delivering electricity, build more nuclear power plants with extreme precautions taken and build them without a time table so that Americans can trust in them versus being on the edge as promoted by some media. Start supporting the small companies who are developing more efficient batteries, electric motors, and regenerative systems.

In fact it's quite possible that given the right technology the USA can develop an electric vehicle with such an efficient self recharging system (hub generators) that in theory you can own an EV and never have to plug it in except maybe on extremely cold weather.
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We have been the main (and dominant) super power since the end of WWII. This is not some sort of new development. As for Iran and Hormuz, dukeanthony nailed it.

As for EV's, it will be slow, indeed. And still there are no clear paths to take. And I do support smaller companies trying to make a difference...in fact I think I have my finger on that pulse pretty damn firmly at this point...and I don't think it will have to do with the energy source, rather the mechanisms of delivery.
 
J

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The truth of the matter is that if we wanted TRUE energy independence, we could have achieved it a long time ago. Tesla was a pioneer who's inventions were stolen by JP Morgan, and Edison and Co.
Why do you think hemp production was made illegal? Because it competed with DuPont's nylon petroleum based fiber.
There are companies TODAY right where I live, that could provide the fuels we need with full scale production being implemented in MONTHS, not years.
http://www.jouleunlimited.com/why-solar-fuel/overview

This and other technologies have been suppressed, because for man to be able to produce his own energy, and food, would take him off of the nanny state tit that they want to keep his mouth forced upon.

Once again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbp6umQT58A
See the nature of the cage.
 
J

Jefferson's Ghost

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dukeanthony said:
This is very tame. On unmoderated sites Like CNN They have guys that run "Persona Management" software running 40+ accounts
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WTF are you talking about? I don't need a "sock puppet" to smash you. You haven't come up with anything worth responding to. You've obviously got the mentality and geopolitical view of a 5 year old. Get over yourself.

I'll even go one further. The mods here are MORE than welcome to look at my "IP", and If they see that I am using 2 or more different names then I welcome them to ban me. If not, then maybe you should go find a little kids discussion to participate in.
 
dukeanthony

dukeanthony

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Jefferson's Ghost said:
WTF are you talking about? I don't need a "sock puppet" to smash you. You haven't come up with anything worth responding to. You've obviously got the mentality and geopolitical view of a 5 year old. Get over yourself.

I'll even go one further. The mods here are MORE than welcome to look at my "IP", and If they see that I am using 2 or more different names then I welcome them to ban me. If not, then maybe you should go find a little kids discussion to participate in.
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You are acting depraved
 
The Ruiner

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Mr Neutron said:
It was Khrushchev who said that they would bring us down, not from outside invasion but from within. Their task is almost complete.
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Interesting...this touches on something I believe to be at the root of the general horrible lack of understanding that my generation suffers from, and that you are tacitly acknowledging, but I don't think you truly realize the implications of what you are saying. Or the mechanisms of how this could be possibly be attempted. The real players behind the scenes aren't trying all that hard to hide their hand. But, since so many focus their attention on what they're "supposed" to, damn near all fail to see it clearly, or how their beliefs have been manipulated into what they are today.
 
J

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beardo said:
Things have been down hill for us regular people since we merged with the commies and faschists
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The 10 PLANKS stated in the Communist Manifesto and some of their American counterparts are...

1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rents of land to public purposes.
Americans do these with actions such as the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (1868), and various zoning, school & property taxes. Also the Bureau of Land Management (Zoning laws are the first step to government property ownership)

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
Americans know this as misapplication of the 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, 1913, The Social Security Act of 1936.; Joint House Resolution 192 of 1933; and various State "income" taxes. We call it "paying your fair share".

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
Americans call it Federal & State estate Tax (1916); or reformed Probate Laws, and limited inheritance via arbitrary inheritance tax statutes.

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
Americans call it government seizures, tax liens, Public "law" 99-570 (1986); Executive order 11490, sections 1205, 2002 which gives private land to the Department of Urban Development; the imprisonment of "terrorists" and those who speak out or write against the "government" (1997 Crime/Terrorist Bill); or the IRS confiscation of property without due process. Asset forfeiture laws are used by DEA, IRS, ATF etc...).

5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
Americans call it the Federal Reserve which is a privately-owned credit/debt system allowed by the Federal Reserve act of 1913. All local banks are members of the Fed system, and are regulated by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) another privately-owned corporation. The Federal Reserve Banks issue Fiat Paper Money and practice economically destructive fractional reserve banking.

6. Centralization of the means of communications and transportation in the hands of the State.
Americans call it the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) and Department of Transportation (DOT) mandated through the ICC act of 1887, the Commissions Act of 1934, The Interstate Commerce Commission established in 1938, The Federal Aviation Administration, Federal Communications Commission, and Executive orders 11490, 10999, as well as State mandated driver's licenses and Department of Transportation regulations.

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
Americans call it corporate capacity, The Desert Entry Act and The Department of Agriculture… Thus read "controlled or subsidized" rather than "owned"… This is easily seen in these as well as the Department of Commerce and Labor, Department of Interior, the Environmental Protection Agency, Bureau of Land Management, Bureau of Reclamation, Bureau of Mines, National Park Service, and the IRS control of business through corporate regulations.

8. Equal liability of all to labor. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
Americans call it Minimum Wage and slave labor like dealing with our Most Favored Nation trade partner; i.e. Communist China. We see it in practice via the Social Security Administration and The Department of Labor. The National debt and inflation caused by the communal bank has caused the need for a two "income" family. Woman in the workplace since the 1920's, the 19th amendment of the U.S. Constitution, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, assorted Socialist Unions, affirmative action, the Federal Public Works Program and of course Executive order 11000.

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries, gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equitable distribution of population over the country.
Americans call it the Planning Reorganization act of 1949 , zoning (Title 17 1910-1990) and Super Corporate Farms, as well as Executive orders 11647, 11731 (ten regions) and Public "law" 89-136. These provide for forced relocations and forced sterilization programs, like in China.

10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production.
Americans are being taxed to support what we call 'public' schools, but are actually "government force-tax-funded schools " Even private schools are government regulated. The purpose is to train the young to work for the communal debt system. We also call it the Department of Education, the NEA and Outcome Based "Education" . These are used so that all children can be indoctrinated and inculcated with the government propaganda, like "majority rules", and "pay your fair share". WHERE are the words "fair share" in the Constitution, Bill of Rights or the Internal Revenue Code (Title 26)?? NO WHERE is "fair share" even suggested !! The philosophical concept of "fair share" comes from the Communist maxim, "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need! This concept is pure socialism. ... America was made the greatest society by its private initiative WORK ETHIC ... Teaching ourselves and others how to "fish" to be self sufficient and produce plenty of EXTRA commodities to if so desired could be shared with others who might be "needy"... Americans have always voluntarily been the MOST generous and charitable society on the planet.

Do changing words, change the end result? ... By using different words, is it all of a sudden OK to ignore or violate the provisions or intent of the Constitution of the united States of America?????

The people (politicians) who believe in the SOCIALISTIC and COMMUNISTIC concepts, especially those who pass more and more laws implementing these slavery ideas, are traitors to their oath of office and to the Constitution of the united States of America... KNOW YOUR ENEMY ...Remove the enemy from within and from among us.


I'd say that pretty much covers most of it.
VOTE LIBERTARIAN, the only political party in America that still firmly supports and diligently abides by the Constitution of the united States of America.


None are more hopelessly enslaved, as those who falsely believe they are free....
 
dukeanthony

dukeanthony

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Jefferson's Ghost said:
VOTE LIBERTARIAN, the only political party in America that still firmly supports and diligently abides by the Constitution of the united States of America.


None are more hopelessly enslaved, as those who falsely believe they are free....
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So that cuts out Ron Paul
he likes picking and choosing the parts of the constitution he likes

Sort of like Thomas Jefferson and his Homemade bible
 
dukeanthony

dukeanthony

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Which one the known Ron Paul cherry picking the Constitution

or the homemade Bible Jefferson made himself Cherry picking the new testament
 
Mr Neutron

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The Ruiner said:
Interesting...this touches on something I believe to be at the root of the general horrible lack of understanding that my generation suffers from, and that you are tacitly acknowledging, but I don't think you truly realize the implications of what you are saying.
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I think I do.
 
dukeanthony

dukeanthony

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Ron Paul wants to end Birthright citizenship

Something we have had since the Founding of our country sans Slaves and Native Americans
 
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