Abortion and Being Human

[boooky]

wait a minute, i thought we were talking about killing someone with the medical procedure known as abortion.




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Is it a person? Or is it everybody thinking they are standing for somthing that has no thought other then the fact that the sperm has hit the egg....So If I jack off into some female eggs in a jar and shake it up im a babby killer. In all honesty I was even adopted and I think this way if my mother would have had an abortion it would have meant nothing to me because I was matter. I think growing up knowing you where rejected is 10x wores then not even existing at all or remembering the fact because it hasnt even developed into a human.

So in all honestly how many perants you see these days that regret their kids and its sad the kid has to live like that and it could cause him to do some pretty crazy shit later on his life even make him a very unstable person. You have to dig deeper then just your thoughts on it but the acctual actions that happen is this where to accure.

I am soaking in everyones opinions and its good everyone has one I dont disagree with you saying that its wrong thats your beleif but when you say should be considered murder and people should be jailed I can only think of 1 guy that did this and Hitler wasnt a good guy.

 

[7xstall]

my contention is that at conception there is a living human being.

the DNA says human and the metabolism says life. i rest my case.

if any of the anti-life people could definitively explain at what point, exactly, the mystery "goo" transforms into a person the debate will end forever. if you don't know or don't care then just admit that killing people is a perfectly acceptable solution to some of life's problems...






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[7xstall]

Is it a person? Or is it everybody thinking they are standing for somthing that has no thought other then the fact that the sperm has hit the egg....So If I jack off into some female eggs in a jar and shake it up im a babby killer. In all honesty I was even adopted and I think this way if my mother would have had an abortion it would have meant nothing to me because I was matter. I think growing up knowing you where rejected is 10x wores then not even existing at all or remembering the fact because it hasnt even developed into a human.

So in all honestly how many perants you see these days that regret their kids and its sad the kid has to live like that and it could cause him to do some pretty crazy shit later on his life even make him a very unstable person. You have to dig deeper then just your thoughts on it but the acctual actions that happen is this where to accure.

I am soaking in everyones opinions and its good everyone has one I dont disagree with you saying that its wrong thats your beleif but when you say should be considered murder and people should be jailed I can only think of 1 guy that did this and Hitler wasnt a good guy.

if the fertilized egg is not a person then what is it and what makes it magically turn into a person later?

can we make bread turn into a person using this same process?

you know, life is sometimes tough and that's ok because we get to change things, we get to put our two cents in because we're alive. if you kill the kids you're stealing their endless opportunities..

there is no "scale" to determining the value of human life. a human is a human, one second old, one hundred years old - HUMAN.




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[boooky]

my contention is that at conception there is a living human being.

the DNA says human and the metabolism says life. i rest my case.

if any of the anti-life people could definitively explain at what point, exactly, the mystery "goo" transforms into a person the debate will end forever. if you don't know or don't care then just admit that killing people is a perfectly acceptable solution to some of life's problems...






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I bet if I ran some test on a blood from a cut or even took DNA from a nut stain on a sock it will show as human DNA. I would hope a human wouldnt have somother animal DNA in them. Metabolism? So its growing to form a human but hasnt achieved it yet. You really think they suck developed babbys out of woman? Have you seen what they suck out of there? Its plasma straight up no human structer no nothing its mother nature doing its work life has yet been created.

 

[boooky]

if the fertilized egg is not a person then what is it and what makes it magically turn into a person later?

can we make bread turn into a person using this same process?

you know, life is sometimes tough and that's ok because we get to change things, we get to put our two cents in because we're alive. if you kill the kids you're stealing their endless opportunities..

there is no "scale" to determining the value of human life. a human is a human, one second old, one hundred years old - HUMAN.




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Its not human yet dude it has to form the acctual fetis to acctually be considered human.

I agree with what your saying but to a extent. Killing a human is wrong killing a babbys is wrong. Killing a fetis would be wrong. Killing blood cells "creating" another life before it has done so is not wrong.

You are right though in my mind to an extent

 

[7xstall]

I bet if I ran some test on a blood from a cut or even took DNA from a nut stain on a sock it will show as human DNA. I would hope a human wouldnt have somother animal DNA in them. Metabolism? So its growing to form a human but hasnt achieved it yet. You really think they suck developed babbys out of woman? Have you seen what they suck out of there? Its plasma straight up no human structer no nothing its mother nature doing its work life has yet been created.

again, sperm has only half of the DNA.

only the fertilized egg can become what me and you are.

i use the scientific approach to these things; metabolism is a sign of life.

please go to the first few pages of the thread to see pics of what a couple weeks looks like.

also, what is "mother nature" doing with a non-living mass of "plasma"?




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[7xstall]

Its not human yet dude it has to form the acctual fetis to acctually be considered human.

define this point.

i can very precisely define when i believe it is human. you should be able to do the same thing.





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[boooky]

again, sperm has only half of the DNA.

only the fertilized egg can become what me and you are.

i use the scientific approach to these things; metabolism is a sign of life.

please go to the first few pages of the thread to see pics of what a couple weeks looks like.

also, what is "mother nature" doing with a non-living mass of "plasma"?




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I dunno what do crack heads do with crack? Dont go all joe dirt on me. Your DNA is living thats what your made of.....Better jar up all that blood next time you get cut throw that shit in the freezer cant be considered a murder in the new world.

Just because my speck of blood on the ground says its human blood that makes it a human? Ok Ok I left out the fuckin eggs agian damnit will ok I threw some eggs on their how we looking? 15 or 20 years in prison?

 

[boooky]

define this point.

i can very precisely define when i believe it is human. you should be able to do the same thing.





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Let me find some pictures dude find one of a newborn,fetis, sperm inside egg within first 2 months then what it looks like when it leaves your balls. Your will see their is little to no diference it the 2 they are swimming "babbys" that have yet to develope. So they are the same thing you release when you masterbate you are just releasing them where they get killed a few minutes later other then 3 months later. Only thing the eggs give it is a safe enviroment and food everything else that "creates" life. The female egg is the safe home for all your sperms whos to say you cant burn the house down?

 

[7xstall]

I dunno what do crack heads do with crack? Dont go all joe dirt on me. Your DNA is living thats what your made of.....Better jar up all that blood next time you get cut throw that shit in the freezer cant be considered a murder in the new world.

Just because my speck of blood on the ground says its human blood that makes it a human? Ok Ok I left out the fuckin eggs agian damnit will ok I threw some eggs on their how we looking? 15 or 20 years in prison?

lol, joe dirt.

we're a system, we not a bunch of little individual cells doing their own thing, maaaaan.




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[7xstall]

Let me find some pictures dude find one of a newborn,fetis, sperm inside egg within first 2 months then what it looks like when it leaves your balls. Your will see their is little to no diference it the 2 they are swimming "babbys" that have yet to develope. So they are the same thing you release when you masterbate you are just releasing them where they get killed a few minutes later other then 3 months later. Only thing the eggs give it is a safe enviroment and food everything else that "creates" life. The female egg is the safe home for all your sperms whos to say you cant burn the house down?

while you are wrong, it doesn't matter because appearances don't really matter. or, do they? is an ugly person worth less than a good looking one? is a deformed person or a midget worth less than a "normal" person? see what i mean? yes - it looks like a blob, but that's ok, it's a work in progress!!

Vi posted some excellent images of abortion victims in this thread. they are real and there are many more like them if you care to search - which i encourage you to do.




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[boooky]

lol, joe dirt.

we're a system, we not a bunch of little individual cells doing their own thing, maaaaan.




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Ok so is this "system" up and pumping when they suck it out of them.....Nope has yet develope this "system" that makes it a functional learning human. Kids are like smart birds man and I still eat chickens and their eggs.

I guess im just a asshole ruthless mother fucker because I agree that abortions and chicken is the shit.

I agree 100% that its wrong to kill a "child" but I lake the compasion for somthing that has yet developed. Call me sick evil whatever. Atleast im being me an thats more then you can say for most...

You seem smart and atleast stand for what you believe in so I repect that but dont hate people for the opposite or that makes you as bad as them or it should even in your mind. But you never got offensive you just wanted to know why I thought this way. Much respect

 

[boooky]

while you are wrong, it doesn't matter because appearances don't really matter. or, do they? is an ugly person worth less than a good looking one? is a deformed person or a midget worth less than a "normal" person? see what i mean? yes - it looks like a blob, but that's ok, it's a work in progress!!

Vi posted some excellent images of abortion victims in this thread. they are real and there are many more like them if you care to search - which i encourage you to do.




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Yeah but you see once the child is born the mother looks at it and says "nope dont want it". That is wrong and a different subjet that would be adaption witch I strongly disagree with. Sence me being adobted I know what its like to have several different parents the last one kept me from 12 tell 18 and she is my mom reguardless as the others threw me out like last weeks waste she took me in gave me a life. You see how long that took to acctually find somone that cared enough that I was human? 12 years man if my crack addict real mother would have had an abortion I would yet feel the way I felt tell about 15 years old. I wouldnt have had that 12 years that felt like 40 years looking for somthing that should have been there the day I was born and guided me. Abortion would have been alot less painless then 12-15 years of emossional hell.

If your thinking for the children then go do your part and adobt a kid and show them you feel for them. dont save lives that have yet been created their are tons of child lives out their pissed because mommy didnt get an abortion go change their life then save the ones that have yet been born.

 

[ViRedd]

I guess im just a asshole ruthless mother fucker because I agree that abortions and chicken is the shit.

I'd say that your assessment is fairly accurate about the asshole, ruthless mother fucker part. To that, I'd add ignorant too.

Here's an aborted fetus at 10 weeks. For you ... that's two and a half weeks.

 

[boooky]

Yeah ok well then agian go adobt a kid insted of screaming your opinions go act on it and save a childs life other then speacking on the subject go act on the problem you so strongly disagree with.

You shouldnt just be agianst abortions it should be child neglect period any type. Abortions is the last thing in this nation that hurts young people. Go help some kids lives that are digrading as we speack not ones that vanish in 2 minutes what about the unwanted ones still alive wondering why you all are trying to save the unborn babbys go save the ones that acttually "think" about not being wanted not the ones that have no thought at all.

While you scream out at those girls for getting an abortion then they walk away have the babby put it up for adobtion are you gonna be there to pick him/her up and take them home and raise them? If not then you have no right to speak on this subject or it being wrong because you are "NOT" helping the problem you are making it worse.

 

[medicineman]

Cancer free forms of birth control = abstinence and condoms

Telling a hard dick how abstinence works will never fly!

 

[gotdamunchies]

It kinda seems to me that debating on when life really begins isn't really the issue.....Its kinda like trying to find the guy who manufactures the crack that an addict smokes and blaming him for the addiction. If we as a society spent more time trying to guide our loved ones down the right path to making the best decision in their life, none of this would even be an issue. Most abortions happen not because of criminal acts (rape etc.), but because of poor decision making on the parts of both parties involved, male and female. The decision to not take any precautions to prevent an unwanted pregnancy is really the only problem that needs to be addressed. And by precaution I dont mean strictly birth control.

I find it hard to believe that the high level of abortions we have today are equal with the number of abortions that might have been performed 100 years ago, increase in population considered. We as a people have changed, as have or morals and our outlooks on life......

 

[gotdamunchies]

Telling a hard dick how abstinence works will never fly!

The hard dick is not the one giving birth...it takes 2

 

[Titania]

Let me find some pictures dude find one of a newborn,fetis, sperm inside egg within first 2 months then what it looks like when it leaves your balls. Your will see their is little to no diference it the 2 they are swimming "babbys" that have yet to develope. So they are the same thing you release when you masterbate you are just releasing them where they get killed a few minutes later other then 3 months later. Only thing the eggs give it is a safe enviroment and food everything else that "creates" life. The female egg is the safe home for all your sperms whos to say you cant burn the house down?

I was going to try not to be mean, but you are a moron for not reading previous posts by myself and the other chap. You still seem to think that sperm is made of little swimming babies!?!? And that the female egg is just the 'home'. Please open up a high school biology book, then come back and debate once you know the basics. Also your blood has DNA in it yes, but it is not capable of transforming itself into another 'you'; Besides that is your DNA, not someone Else's. I'll clear it up for you: sperm = essentially half of your DNA. Female egg = half of her DNA. To sum up, NOT 'babies'. I assume you think it's wrong to kill a new born baby, so how far back does it lose the status of human?

 

[Titania]

Also booker I realised why I get a headache reading your posts, you don't use any commas, I'm not being cheeky or anything I seriously have difficulty understanding text without commas.