The Truth About Ron Paul - Part 2

txpete77

txpete77

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undertheice said:
you're just figuring this out now? these are people whose entire philosophy is based on vengeance. you simply can't expect any sort of honesty from the redistributionist crowd.

by the way, don't be offended by his reference to good old atticus. that it refers to a story in which the failure of governmental institutions plays a predominant role, where the best intentions of the individual are swept aside by the regulations of the mob, shouldn't be forgotten.
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The argument wasn't so much for him, but more for others to observe. I knew he would eventually resort to name-calling and accusations of racism. I've watched him do this in prior discussions by cherry picking statements and then dropping the context in which it was said.

The only regret I have is I did't take the opportunity soon enough to demonstrate how hate-speech laws are the next step in the evolution of the concept he was promoting. All he had to do was present the harm as being mental in nature... and he was so close to doing it.

I'm not offended - it takes a hell of a lot more than name calling to offend me, I just choose not to tolerate that style of debate. I've got a feeling that I'll be putting a few more on that ignore list, but they're going to have to earn it first.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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txpete77 said:
All he had to do was present the harm as being mental in nature... and he was so close to doing it.
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did you miss the clark doll test i presented?

it does cause mental harm. why else would 44% of segregated black kids say the white doll is more representative of them than the black doll? that is, those who did not break down and cry or run out of the room.

want to know how many people i have on ignore? ZERO. because i am not some little vagina that can't handle dissenting opinion.
 
undertheice

undertheice

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UncleBuck said:
did you miss the clark doll test i presented?

it does cause mental harm. why else would 44% of segregated black kids say the white doll is more representative of them than the black doll? that is, those who did not break down and cry or run out of the room.
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so are we to take away from this that these children were all effected by the attitude of the world around them or could it be that there was something lacking in their home lives, something that did not feed into the growth of their self-esteem? are we to take the supposition of psychiatric "experts" as gospel and determine policy based on their pseudo-scientific studies? this is, after all, the same voodoo science that has determined that a full ten percent of the population is in need of anti-depressant medication. the very fact that we would aim the violent forces of governmental regulation at our rights of private property based on the "harm" of hurt feelings and low self-esteem is a sad commentary on the state of our society.

while i don't see segregation as an answer to any of our problems, i also don't see that force has provided any relief either. it has, in fact, only exacerbated the friction that otherwise continues to lessen as the people themselves evolve their morality.
 
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Carthoris

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UncleBuck said:
are you fucking dense?

history is full of examples of stations that would charge twice as much to blacks as they would to whites for the "crime" of being born with a certain skin color.

for the "crime" of being born a certain color, they now have to spend more time and more money to get the same thing a white person would get without harassment.

if you can't see how that is harmful, you really need to hop in a time machine and go visit those days in person, because no amount of words will convince a dipshit ideologue who feels his right to bigotry trumps the rights of others not to be harmed by such bigotry.
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Maybe we should make laws that protect retarded people from being overcharged for cars at dealerships and when buying a house. I give people better deals on things I sell or buy based on how much I like them or how dumb they are. I mean, letting people negotiate prices is discriminatory to idiots. I know the world has been hard on you UB. Vote for me and I will make all dumbasses equal to smart people by jabbing a pencil in the brain of everyone above the IQ mid point. After all, they were born dumbasses, they didn't choose it.
 
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Carthoris

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UncleBuck said:
the global warming hypothesis is a decades in the making conspiracy involving thousands of scientists in hundreds of countries who have produced tens of thousands of fraudulent data sets and their hoax has only recently been exposed by rush limbaugh and the group of dolts at fox news :shock:
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SUVs killed the dinosaurs too. What caused the ice age? Solar Power?
 
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Carthoris

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UncleBuck said:
did you miss the clark doll test i presented?

it does cause mental harm. why else would 44% of segregated black kids say the white doll is more representative of them than the black doll? that is, those who did not break down and cry or run out of the room.

want to know how many people i have on ignore? ZERO. because i am not some little vagina that can't handle dissenting opinion.
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Did you ever watch "The Eye of the Storm" by Jane Elliot? Interesting movie.

Have you ever seen a modern version of the doll study? If you offer me two blowup dolls, one indian looking and one white, Ill probably take the indian one. Dot Indian, not woo woo.You never know why the children picked the white dolls or drew themselves as yellow and white. Maybe they saw their people as lesser than whites, or maybe they saw their families who were poor as being poor due to being black and had unrealistic ideals of white people being better off simply due to being white and not due to systematic oppression. Public segregation is wrong. The government doesn't have the right to segregate or treat its citizens differently. People segregate themselves from all sorts of things, it is a very natural reaction. The government is not a person, and the government does not represent one race, it represents us all. It has no business treating anyone differently whether it be color, sex, age, marital status, having children, or sexual orientation.

You can't make and keep laws today based on something that happened 50 years ago. It is a different world. We are allowed to do things, and no allowed to do things today that would be unimaginable 50 and 100 years ago. If we made it to now without a CRA - would we still need to have one? The CRA was like a marshal law to try and fix a serious issue. I don't think anyone is arguing that racism was not an issue in those days.
 
undertheice

undertheice

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Carthoris said:
I don't think anyone is arguing that racism was not an issue in those days.
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it isn't a matter of whether racism was a problem then or is a problem now. it's about whether declaring "martial law", as you have termed it, is a legitimate answer to such a problem. as you have pointed out, we segregate ourselves quite effectively. we often choose to surround ourselves with what is most familiar and to avoid the discomfort of what we see as the unknown. thanks to government interference, we are no longer afforded several of these avenues of avoidance. but has it really changed anything? have the worst elements of racism declined because of this interference or in spite of it?
 
txpete77

txpete77

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Carthoris said:
Put me back, bastard.
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You mean I took your spot? Now I'm going to have to unhide one of his posts to see what he picked...

Buck, I'm not going to read your reply (unless someone ends up quoting it), but I will proudly stand by and defend that statement on it's own.

See what it's like to have and stand by your principles?
 
deprave

deprave

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UncleBuck said:
you should go back in time and tell black people to stop complaining, that all this segregation is not hurting them in the least and to just shut up and quit being a bunch of crybabies.

make sure to let them know that they have no right to expect to pay the same for gas as a white person, and that they are not allowed into any of the nice hotels because it makes the white folks uncomfortable.

:dunce:

why do you think your bigotry trumps everyone else's rights not to be harmed by your bigotry? is being a bigot THAT important to you?
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why would we go back in time 50 years, why is 50 years ago even in this the discussion really? Your conspiracy theories are ridiculous. I assume you have a lot of hatred and possibly may have been victimized in your life, love your people, love freedom, love life, loosen up turtle fucker. :P

Just curious, What is your personality type uncle buck? (i.e I am INFJ)
 
londonfog

londonfog

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deprave said:
why would we go back in time 50 years, why is 50 years ago even in this the discussion really? This is GOP2012 discussion. Your post and your pictures are offtopic, and your conspiracy theories are ridiculous.
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I thought this was "A Truth about Ron Paul" discussion and due to the fact Ron Paul would like to change the Civil Rights act of 64, which could allow a store owner to kick someone out his/store store based on color or the lack of color, brought us to these topics...we could talk about how foolish it would be to make heroin legal...I feel if its a man made drug it should be illegal or heavily regulated
 
deprave

deprave

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No he wouldnt change the damn civil rights act how did you come to that idea? Read the damn speech and understand what it was please post #1 of the thread and many others - 200 hundred and 48 pages we made and you don't read the first post..pretty sure weve been over this...Currently I have debunked every Ron Paul conspiracy theory we have talked about. I am waiting for new conspiracy theories for over 170 pages. The result is they are all just going with 'Ron Paul fucks turtles' like a pack of children
 
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