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BlackMesa

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a blackstar easily can pull over a gram per watt, my kessil grow was just ridonculous on 3 of em spread over a 2x3ft table blackstar was also grown over a 2x3 ebb and flow table, with the many mistakes that my partner made such as not raping the bugs he got, and packing the table too full of plants so i didnt get big enough root systems to pump out the yeild i wanted and i still avereaged between 5-7 zips on every run and i ran each way 3 times for a total of six runs. The reason i keep going back and forth between kessil and blackstar is price and modularity. being able to properly spread your light out will give you way more nug than getting a bigger light that puts out more light. Reflective material and proper light placement is the most important thing with an LED. If you take care of those two things i can easily see a 240w blackstar pumping out 8 zips of some good, you would have to scrog a single plant but its doable on a everyday basis. Mind you my partner was a complete idiot and i only came by 3 times the entire cycle of each crop beginning middle and end. So i barely did shit but provide equipment and advice that i learned here and from my older friends that have been doing hydro for 20 years. If he had followed what was layed out on the forum and by my friends he woulda pulled way more for us, he used too much nutrients, didnt kill off the fungus gnat larvae in the roots or the spider mites. I still got more than a gram a watt with those shit conditions.

Believe me, dont believe me say im full of shit it doesnt bother me any more i've grown tired of the constant debate between led and HID lighting when its so obvious that when grown scrog style an led will always beat out an hps if its a quality unit. If your growing hydro inside you shouldnt be doing anything but scrog, any other way i see as hurting yeild. Theres more than one way to skin a cat and thats just my opinion that scrog is a better method but its the only way to grow with LED's.

To those who say a 240w blackstar is not equal to a 400w hps ur right in the amount of watts used its no where close, however plant growth says that its a much better light than any 400w hps will ever be. My plants grow more stacked, faster, denser nug, more trich's, better definition in the shape of the nug everything is better with my LED than my 400w hps was except yield it stayed the same sort of give or take a few grams on the high and low side from small environmental factors. When you factor in the amount of ventilation you need to run a proper hps setup you will start to realize that 250 bucks for a 240w panel is not shit sure you may get a pos 600w hps for same price but what happens now you need a 200$ can fan to evac the light fixture and another slightly cheaper fan to evac ur room, i could have 2 panels that would be pumpin out more buds than a 600w would for less $ initially spent because of all the venting the hps takes to run. It cost me 40 bucks to ventilate my cab and i evac the whole cab of all air in less than 30 seconds.

The kessils are a bit hotter than the blackstar but that is not a real big deal not hot enough to worry about.

Ive been forever converted to LED's i still use my hps's just very rarely and when i need to expand and cant afford a new panel right this second because i still have all the venting equipment from before converting over. Wish i had never spent that money i would have way more led's than i have now and be spending so much less to get what im gettin now.
You should document the shit out of your grow because that would be some insanely important data for the LED growing community. Shit, I figure if I am able to hit 8 zips from 2 Blackstar 240's that I would have matched a very good 400w HPS grow using 120 watts less and having no heat to manage or cooling equipment to mess with. But if your saying you can get 8 zips from 1- 240w then you should document it because that would be a epic ass record breaker @ 1.74 GPW which is insane.

It's important that we get some data on what the upper yield limits on LED's are and I'm interested in Blackstars imparticular because I have 2 of them and find them to be of absolute value! And pic's or links to your grow? Consider me interested.
 

corvetteguy

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You should document the shit out of your grow because that would be some insanely important data for the LED growing community. Shit, I figure if I am able to hit 8 zips from 2 Blackstar 240's that I would have matched a very good 400w HPS grow using 120 watts less and having no heat to manage or cooling equipment to mess with. But if your saying you can get 8 zips from 1- 240w then you should document it because that would be a epic ass record breaker @ 6.8 GPW which is insane.

It's important that we get some data on what the upper yield limits on LED's are and I'm interested in Blackstars imparticular because I have 2 of them and find them to be of absolute value! And pic's or links to your grow? Consider me interested.
I hate to rain on your parade but 8 zips from a single blackstar would not be 6.8GPW,infact it would not even be 1GPW its actually 0.9333GPW
 

newworldicon

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I hate to rain on your parade but 8 zips from a single blackstar would not be 6.8GPW,infact it would not even be 1GPW its actually 0.9333GPW
You are making the mistake of assuming the panel draws it's named 240 watts, ir draws...*and correct me if I'm wrong blackstar users........it uses 130W so that would be a bit more than you first calculated.
 

El Superbeasto

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8 oz, or 227 grams, from a 135 watt light (which the blackstar is) would be 1.7 grams per watt. Simply divide 227 by 135.

I know plenty of people using them, and 1.7gpw is preposterous. But if someone can do it, please journal it.
 

curly604

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I hate to rain on your parade but 8 zips from a single blackstar would not be 6.8GPW,infact it would not even be 1GPW its actually 0.9333GPW
i gave you a like ut i have to take it once further to say that blackstars only really produce 130 watts so that would make it 1.72gpw haha hope no comes along and corrects me.
 

BlackMesa

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Lol... I was in a hurry to get home from work when I added that up but I realize that I multiplied the actual answer by 4 and I used 130w assuming the panel is 140 watts minus 10 from fans. :P 1.7 is still insanely high and think 1 GPW would be a major accomplishment.
 

curly604

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Lol... I was in a hurry to get home from work when I added that up but I realize that I multiplied the actual answer by 4 and I used 130w assuming the panel is 140 watts minus 10 from fans. :P 1.7 is still insanely high and think 1 GPW would be a major accomplishment.
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agreed but its much more possible haha i would like to see it either way :)
 

ColoradoLove

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Kush Groove has a Blackstar journal. I remember he got decent weight but the plants seemed mad stretched compared to dunit or irish
 

BlackMesa

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Kush Groove has a Blackstar journal. I remember he got decent weight but the plants seemed mad stretched compared to dunit or irish
I read through that journal as well and see that his Middle 2 plants failed and mylar wasn't used so I confidently imagine that grow could have been 2-3 zips more easy but he used 2 lights and I can see 8oz possible on 2 - Blackstar 240's but 8oz from a single panel seems like a far stretch and the dude who claims so should post some proof.
 

Tripp10966

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Either way it goes the blackstar should work out for me because im not gonna be growing in a big space and I will be using my 150 hps to supplement the light. I would have loved to have one of those glh lights but I wanted to give leds a try before blowing 500 bucks for a light. I also thought he gave me a pretty good deal on the blackstar. He gave me the light and a lighthouse tent for 365 shipped.
 

Tripp10966

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Oh but I would love to see an 8 ounce single blackstar grow. That would just make me even happier about my purchase. I hate when people put down the capabilities of something without their own personal expeirience with it. I almost didnt buy it cause you read so much bs on the internet but I talked myself into it and im gonna pump as much bud from it as I can.
 

BlackMesa

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I just placed an order for 2 different Purple strains (Purple Widow & Purple Skunk) to see if the lower temps and LED light have an impact on bringing on stronger colors. Anyone have any info on colored strains and LED's? I would imagine that the plants will get a darker purple but I guess I will see soon enough.

I'm currently working on some seedlings from a local outdoor strain that's on 10+ generations so I imagine I'll get a journal up soon. As far as yields go I will be stoked if I can net 8oz from 2 panels but have no clue how this outdoor strain is going to do indoors.
 

Tripp10966

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I dont know but ive been wantin to grow purple kush for a while now I might have to add that to my next attitude order to see what it can do if all turns out well for u.
 

newworldicon

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There's something I would like to bring up regarding Irishboys first grow under the 600W LED where he flowered out 4 plants.

Firstly it is not clear whether his yield was 19oz wet or dry, I am unsure about this but will assume that he is quoting dry weights as we all know that's what matters.
Also if the claim is true we can then establish that the grow was that successful and the success of any grow is only as successful as the weakest points of the grow.
Therefore we can assume that the LED panel was more than adequate a light source to produce the result, proving that the light was as good as a 600HPS.
We can argue that he may have had 4 really good clones from mega genetics but let's be honest, the strains were as comparable to many other strains available.
My point in this is simply that the result may have been a near perfect grow was result but the light had it's part to play proving that the panel was indeed what it claimed to be.
In my mind there is no argument about it, the results spoke for themselves.
 

BlackMesa

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There's something I would like to bring up regarding Irishboys first grow under the 600W LED where he flowered out 4 plants.

Firstly it is not clear whether his yield was 19oz wet or dry, I am unsure about this but will assume that he is quoting dry weights as we all know that's what matters.
Also if the claim is true we can then establish that the grow was that successful and the success of any grow is only as successful as the weakest points of the grow.
Therefore we can assume that the LED panel was more than adequate a light source to produce the result, proving that the light was as good as a 600HPS.
We can argue that he may have had 4 really good clones from mega genetics but let's be honest, the strains were as comparable to many other strains available.
My point in this is simply that the result may have been a near perfect grow was result but the light had it's part to play proving that the panel was indeed what it claimed to be.
In my mind there is no argument about it, the results spoke for themselves.
I am amazed by this grow and suspect that it was a near perfect grow! The insane light mix he used, Sunshine #4 & an additional 50% Perlite allowed lots of waterings to make up for the panel not drying the mix like a hid would. I suspect that when growing using LED that you have to change your grow strategy and methods. You need a light mix because you lack the temps of HID's, You need to work in enclosed area's to make the most of the LED light due to it being so direct line of sight. There is no text book on the laws of LED growing and to figure it all out you need to experiment, research other's methods and experiments and put them all together until you start to see patterns.

I find it thrilling that I might discover a method that maybe one day is considered a "must" for LED growing because all the good grow data out there is so scattered and hard to find. Figuring all this out is a challenge and a good challenge makes for some good fun at a minimum.

Also I consider that 600w panel didn't just match the 600w HPS but surpassed it....crap just 12oz on a 600 HID Is a job well done.
 

ColoradoLove

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LED dont stretch.
You are incorrect. Go hang out with tshirtninja

If you wanna see your plants turn purple you should water them with ice water for the last couple of weeks. Dude called 619ster from another forum does it and pulls color from even non purple strains
 

mattman

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LED wont stretch if you keep the light close enough, its just hard to tell ATM b/c not everyone has a PAR meter to judge the par from a distance.
 
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