Da Almighty Jew
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Liquid Karma sounds like good shit. How do your plants do now, since you switched from Molasses to liquid karma?
The Molasses Debate Thread.
- Thread starter Dolce Vita
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Cooter@666
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Ho Brah! You must be smoking some good shit over there! I don’t buy overpriced bottles of sugar water with fancy feel good labels on them; I’m sure it’s good stuff, but I’m too cheap to pony up for it, plus I love the results I get from brewing my own teas. You should buy some LK and do a side by side comparison and document it and share the results with us.
jondamon
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Doesnt anybody really understand what molasses is MAINLY doing when you add it to your plants watering schedule???????
Its feeding the Micro's contained in your RHIZOSPHERE and a small amount goes into the plant as carbs.
Here read for yourselves
>>>>> https://www.rollitup.org/newbie-central/370486-geek-squad-alert-carbohydrates-amino.html <<<<<<
This article also contains information about AMINO ACIDS. And the trouble is that alot of people do not understand how Nutrient manufacturers are LABORATORY INJECTING their nutrients and additives into the plants vascular systems in order to see whether they work. As far as some things are concerned you need to be ahead of the game and be doing something along the lines of microencapsulation in order to be able to feed some of the hyped up junk out there that alot people are trying to get you to buy.
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Its feeding the Micro's contained in your RHIZOSPHERE and a small amount goes into the plant as carbs.
Here read for yourselves
>>>>> https://www.rollitup.org/newbie-central/370486-geek-squad-alert-carbohydrates-amino.html <<<<<<
This article also contains information about AMINO ACIDS. And the trouble is that alot of people do not understand how Nutrient manufacturers are LABORATORY INJECTING their nutrients and additives into the plants vascular systems in order to see whether they work. As far as some things are concerned you need to be ahead of the game and be doing something along the lines of microencapsulation in order to be able to feed some of the hyped up junk out there that alot people are trying to get you to buy.
J
ClamDigger
Active Member
HOLY SHIT, THANK YOU.
i was on the verge of spelling it out myself, nice link/thread
one big REP inbound
jondamon
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NO worries clam.
That was something i put together a while back, taken straight from my favourite mag URBAN GARDEN MAGAZINE.
I have one on positive stress too if you want to take a look then go to my profile and find my "started threads" lots of good shit in that area bro lol.
J
Nullis
Moderator
Really? Well it seems like you're putting a bit too much faith in how things "seem" to you as opposed to the way they actually are. I think you missed my point; Liquid Karma isn't simply "molasses that has been broken down in advance for you in the form of simple sugars"... (blackstrap already happens to contain simple sugars, so that would majorly make no sense).
I'm arguing for the sake of boredom and the fact that you're kind of a jerk...as it seems.
Apparently Botanicare has the capitol investment, interest and motivation to hire plant biologists (Ph fucking D's, actual biologists) to research and formulate their products. The only thing that molasses has in common with LK is that they both happen to contain sucrose, fructose and some of the same B vitamins and maybe it [molasses] has some amino acids. But molasses doesn't contain cellulose (a fungal food), phytohormones, humic/fulvic/organic acids, or actually have a similar array of vitamins, a wetting agent, and is over all way different than this "sugar/tea concentrate" which you assume it to be. I mean, if you've never used the stuff and don't understand how to then how is it you can talk so much shit about it? You generally use 10 ml of the stuff per gal, but you could always use less... one product for transplants, clones, foliar, whenever you'd give straight water, etc. One freaking product. Go look for me exclusively touting the praises of Botanicare all over the boards.
And what the heck is wrong with you, for real? "Fancy feel good labels"... lol. You're such a stuck up piece of shit it's a disgrace to Bob Ross. Don't go saying "do what works best for you" followed by a pretentious, belittling shit headed comment. There are certainly companies out there whose products I personally wouldn't use because they don't "seem" like they are worth it or they "seem" like a shit company; and guess what you don't see: me talking shit about those products or trying to explain to other people exactly what they are- I wouldn't know, I've never used them.
Cooter@666
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Aww...look little dullis is mad...do you need hug? you just wasted a ton of energy on a topic you find moronic to begin with yet you cannot stop rambling on about it! since I didn't stroke your ego you have to resort to personal attacks,....aww poor thing must be tuff harboring all that negative energy, hope you're seeking professional help for that! take care brah! I wish you the best in life!
Dizzle Frost
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you are correct about that 100%
BUT the way i looked at it was... with it i also get seabird guano, fish meal, spirulina, sea kelp, and some other things that are hard to get here..plus i dont have anywere to make a tea..so i just use this.
Dizzle Frost
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i noticed a diff in a few ways...clones root a lil faster after the mother on it....Veg plants seem a lil more vigorous..but im noticeing big gains in the flower room, buds look real nice and tight..i wouldnt say its like plant roids or anything..but the results are hard to complain about
Molasses used in conjuction with Epsom salta oat bran works as a natural pesticide that kills spider mites. Cabbage/cut worms. I use as a foliar spray. They love. Foun a spider one morning incased in another spiders web still alive. Foliar sprayed and the incased spider immediately shriveled up and died. The
molasses fights bugs. Scientist studies. Read the Epsom salt section. http://www.avianweb.com/safepesticides.html
molasses fights bugs. Scientist studies. Read the Epsom salt section. http://www.avianweb.com/safepesticides.html
Nullis
Moderator
Ummm... no. But, I did make you look like a jackass. Wasn't very hard because you are one, though.
Cooter@666
Well-Known Member
If trolling around a thread and adding nothing to it other making childish insults because think it makes me look like a jackass then you really have degenerated analytical skills.
If there is one thing I’ve learned in life is that crazy people often fail to realize they’re crazy. If you’re as intelligent as you really think you are go back are read you initial statement to me it was very clear that you instigated the entire problem, you are what you are man and I truly feel sorry for you. I seriously wish you the best in combating your mental challenges; I know this must be a difficult time for you.
In all honesty if you don’t have anything pleasant to say or any positive content that the OP can take away in regards to his question, then please remain quite and quit trolling on Dolce Vita’s thread
If there is one thing I’ve learned in life is that crazy people often fail to realize they’re crazy. If you’re as intelligent as you really think you are go back are read you initial statement to me it was very clear that you instigated the entire problem, you are what you are man and I truly feel sorry for you. I seriously wish you the best in combating your mental challenges; I know this must be a difficult time for you.
In all honesty if you don’t have anything pleasant to say or any positive content that the OP can take away in regards to his question, then please remain quite and quit trolling on Dolce Vita’s thread
Dolce Vita
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I think one question that many growers out there want to know is how much molasses is to much to use? or is there even a limit?
bamfrivet
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every plant is different. every strain likes different things. every soil needs different things. There is no one amount to use. Just like nutes. You start off small and work you way up. Watch your plant and see how it grows. Experience is everything.
Cooter@666
Well-Known Member
tablespoon per gallon gets it done for me.
Nullis
Moderator
No you moron (sorry I can't use more eloquent words to describe your foolish self ATM); this has only to do with the fact that you're going on about shit you know nothing about, and belittling others for using horticultural products. Hello! How are you going to talk about a product (or anything, really) or regard it the way you do when you don't really know what it is and haven't used it?
This is what I am getting from you: OMG it costs $30 and I don't know what it is nor have I used it but I am going to tell everyone it is "sugar water\tea concentrate" or "molasses broken down into the form of simple sugars" or some other bullshit that makes my cheap ignorant ass smell dandy even though LK has very little to do with molasses. And you get to talk this crap but "I" am rambling and "I" think "I" am so smart and blah blah blah. Get real bro.
Dolce Vita
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yeah the 1 tablespoon per gallon mix seems to be the general recommendation
I'm wondering if there would be any negative effects of using too much molasses in the mix
I usually fill up a water jug then pour some molasses in no idea what the ratio is haha
nice buds by the way cooter!
I'm wondering if there would be any negative effects of using too much molasses in the mix
I usually fill up a water jug then pour some molasses in no idea what the ratio is haha
nice buds by the way cooter!
bamfrivet
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negative effects differ depending on grow medium. Soil you have less to worry about than Hydro. Hydro you can gunk up your lines and motors depending on what you are using. Molasses does slightly lower PH, so to much can mess your PH up. You can also get to much cal/mag along with over feeding your micro organisms in the soil causing them to over populate and deprive your roots of oxygen.
Dolce Vita
Active Member
Good points man! it sounds like soil growers could use any quantity of molasses they would like, and if the roots get oxygen deprived a perfect solution would be a hydrogen peroxide/ water mix as it really oxidizes the roots.
If one were to use this molasses/water/h2o2 method then they could use a greater quantity of molasses which makes me wonder if the higher molasses content would make denser/ sweeter buds?
or is there a platoe for the levels and what would that be? hmmm its good to wonder
If one were to use this molasses/water/h2o2 method then they could use a greater quantity of molasses which makes me wonder if the higher molasses content would make denser/ sweeter buds?
or is there a platoe for the levels and what would that be? hmmm its good to wonder
bamfrivet
Well-Known Member
Well there are only so many available resources in your soil for the micro organisms to feed on. So they could eat them selfs out of a home, or they could produce to much readily available nutrients and burn your plants. You just have to experiment and see what your plant likes and what is to much.