Debt ceiling talks: Whose fault?

[tet1953]

Who do you think is more responsible for the current stalemate in debt ceiling talks? I'm not trying to start a huge philosophical debate here, although I realize it could digress into that. Just wondering who people think is not compromising enough.

 

[tet1953]

I voted conservatives. They gotta give up this fantasy of no tax increases.

 

[BendBrewer]

It is Congress' Constitutional Responsibility to pay our debts without question. If we default on our debts, Congress will have failed to meet its Constitutional Duties as laid out in the 14th Amendment. The question is, what happens to the Speaker of the House for failing to do so? Jail time? Impeachment?

The Republicans are not only NOT compromising they have vowed that they never will. You really need to ask who is not compromising enough? Really? Huh..........

 

[tet1953]

It is Congress' Constitutional Responsibility to pay our debts without question. If we default on our debts, Congress will have failed to meet its Constitutional Duties as laid out in the 14th Amendment. The question is, what happens to the Speaker of the House for failing to do so? Jail time? Impeachment?

The Republicans are not only NOT compromising they have vowed that they never will. You really need to ask who is not compromising enough? Really? Huh..........

Agree 100%. I do not know how the debt ceiling law ever got passed with Section 4 of the 14th. Obama should play that card, imo. Sure, he'd get a lot of heat for raising it now when he voted on debt ceiling issues before but he's getting heat anyway.

 

[mame]

yep. No tax increases is a dealbreaker... The Republicans are hoping the people think those god damn whiny libtards are seen as trying to raise taxes but most people think tax breaks for oil companies, corporate jets, etc are bullshit and should be dropped. In the end, the average American will see this as Republicans defending the interests of the rich IMO.

 

[BendBrewer]

Section 5 got the law passed in the first place.

I think Obama would be forced to act. He is to uphold the Constitution, even if it is Congress that is the one that is violating it. He absolutely has the power to enforce the 14th. It is his job. And it is Congress' job to pay our debts. Without Question.

Not paying our debts violates the United States Constitution. Tell that to a Tea Bagger and watch their head explode. Then remind that they don't really like the Constitution as much as they try to claim.

Then point. Then laugh your ass off at them.

 

[londonfog]

Bush put us in two wars...Afghanistan and Iraq..Question how much do you think those wars cost...Next question.. how did he pay for those wars ???? He didn't he left the problem to Obama..Taxes have to be raised..Thats how you pay for your wars ( at least since WWI )...Next

 

[grizlbr]

To many words and not enough action! If removing a TAX break is an increase Sweating is Weight LOSS!? So who is paying the tax to get a break? Stupid but I did not pay tax on my Jet Airplane!? Any surprise Sales tax on everything that goes thru a cash register tax code is already there by zip code use it.. I sell a car for a dollar to avoid tax? It is time for a change a big change. Legalize Marijuana and tax it. I run a balanced budget the government should reduce the size of the house: get rid of the 'dogs and cats' if you cant feed them reduce the size of all government!

 

[newatit2010]

WTF? We are not borrowing but 40 cents on every dollar we spend. Hell find some other dumbass country we can borrow from. WE got to spend.

 

[ink the world]

WTF? We are not borrowing but 40 cents on every dollar we spend. Hell find some other dumbass country we can borrow from. WE got to spend.

When you say "he" you mean Obama?

You mean he'll borrow $ to pay for the unfunded Bush tax cuts and his 2 unfunded wars?

Yeah, damn Obama; cleaning up someone elses mess.

 

[ink the world]

yep. No tax increases is a dealbreaker... The Republicans are hoping the people think those god damn whiny libtards are seen as trying to raise taxes but most people think tax breaks for oil companies, corporate jets, etc are bullshit and should be dropped. In the end, the average American will see this as Republicans defending the interests of the rich IMO.

That might be hoping that people see the Dems as "raising taxes" but that hasnt worked so far, and probably wont in the future.......Look at the polls, an overwhelming amount of Americans SUPPORT raising taxes on the top bracket and closing corporate loopholes.

The Dems seem willing to compromise, the Repubs are publicly refusing to give an inch. They will pay in the next election, congrats Repubs, snatched defeat from the jaws of rectory. If the Repubs had taken a stand for AVERAGE AMERICANS they would make political hay, instead they lived up to the stereotype of only caring for the rich and big corporations.

 

[newatit2010]

When you say "he" you mean Obama?

You mean he'll borrow $ to pay for the unfunded Bush tax cuts and his 2 unfunded wars?

Yeah, damn Obama; cleaning up someone elses mess.

ESAD did not say "he" dumbass, Bush bashing a'hole. And odumbass can't clean his own ass why don't you help him,looks like you could

 

[BendBrewer]

ESAD did not say "he" dumbass, Bush bashing a'hole. And odumbass can't his own ass why don't you help him,looks like you could.

Just wanted to make sure to save that. It is classic. The Mentality just SCREAMS!

 

[ink the world]

WTF? We are not borrowing but 40 cents on every dollar we spend. Hell find some other dumbass country we can borrow from. WE got to spend.

ESAD did not say "he" dumbass, Bush bashing a'hole. And odumbass can't clean his own ass why don't you help him,looks like you could

I have no clue who "ESAD" is, but YOU were reffering to Obama correct?

How is me pointing out the unfunded tax cuts and 2 unfunded wars make me a "Bush bashing a hole"...its a fucking FACT!!! An inconvenient fact for such a strict fiscal conservative huh? Guess if my whole game was bitching about spending by the "evil Negro president" then Id be angry when my side was just as guilty if not more than the one i oppose.

Why werent you and all the other jackass Teabaggers out protesting when Bush had the UNFUNDED tax cuts? Where was your fiscal conservatism then? How about the 2 UNFUNDED wars? You werent protesting then either where ya? I have a funny feeling if the POTUS was a white guy named Steve you wouldn't be so upset.

The only thing worse than a hypocrite is a a completely ignorant hypocrite.

 

[tet1953]

I think he said "hell" not "he'll".

 

[NoDrama]

They don't care about the Constitution.

 

[DrFever]

It is Congress' Constitutional Responsibility to pay our debts without question. If we default on our debts, Congress will have failed to meet its Constitutional Duties as laid out in the 14th Amendment. The question is, what happens to the Speaker of the House for failing to do so? Jail time? Impeachment?

The Republicans are not only NOT compromising they have vowed that they never will. You really need to ask who is not compromising enough? Really? Huh..........

either way you look at it how can they pay it pulling money out of there Ass gets pretty bad when eveyone says well they'll pay for it its in the constitution lmaooo congress as well as the president dont have a pot to piss in the american dollar isn't worth wiping your ass any more wwhy is that ???? ahh lets just make more money how can you pay for something when usa is litterally check kiteing
with all american manufacturing lost there exports gone
China has already said USA has defaulted on there loan agreement by lessening the value of the american dollar or should i say it this way

As the Federal Reserve overprints more money, the money supply inflates, and too much money starts chasing too few goods and services, which means prices go up. But contrary to the charade put on by the Federal Reserve, inflation doesn't just come and go due to some arcane sorcery. The Federal Reserve can halt inflation any time it wants to by simply shutting down those printing presses. It therefore follows that both inflation and recession are fully under the control of the Federal Reserve. Over time, that excess of printing has destroyed the value of that dollar you think you have. If you want to know by just how much, go out and try to purchase 371.25 grains of silver right now. Usually, the deterioration is gradual. Sometimes, it has to be obvious, such as the 1985 devaluation (done to halt the trade imbalance) which triggered the Japanese real-estate grab in this country

 

[heathaa]

just off topic why would you have in the poll you have coservatives and liberals. why not have republicans vs democrats. because out of the conservatives or liberals they are part of a bigger picture between dems and reps

 

[BendBrewer]

either way you look at it how can they pay it pulling money out of there Ass gets pretty bad when eveyone says well they'll pay for it its in the constitution lmaooo congress as well as the president dont have a pot to piss in the american dollar isn't worth wiping your ass any more wwhy is that ???? ahh lets just make more money how can you pay for something when usa is litterally check kiteing
with all american manufacturing lost there exports gone
China has already said USA has defaulted on there loan agreement by lessening the value of the american dollar or should i say it this way

As the Federal Reserve overprints more money, the money supply inflates, and too much money starts chasing too few goods and services, which means prices go up. But contrary to the charade put on by the Federal Reserve, inflation doesn't just come and go due to some arcane sorcery. The Federal Reserve can halt inflation any time it wants to by simply shutting down those printing presses. It therefore follows that both inflation and recession are fully under the control of the Federal Reserve. Over time, that excess of printing has destroyed the value of that dollar you think you have. If you want to know by just how much, go out and try to purchase 371.25 grains of silver right now. Usually, the deterioration is gradual. Sometimes, it has to be obvious, such as the 1985 devaluation (done to halt the trade imbalance) which triggered the Japanese real-estate grab in this country

I'll start worrying about the value of the dollar when those that have all the dollars stop trying to acquire more. I highly suggest that you do the same.

The United States Constitution states our bills will be paid, without question. You have a problem with that, go talk to the Constitution.

Where does the money come from? Borrow it. Just like always. There is no other choice. The United States Constitution leaves no other choice. Pay the bills or defy the Constitution.

The Tea Baggers should be demanding the debt limit be raised, but they are all hypocritical bastards so you know what they have to say. Where's their professed love for the Constitution now?

 

[tet1953]

either way you look at it how can they pay it pulling money out of there Ass gets pretty bad when eveyone says well they'll pay for it its in the constitution lmaooo congress as well as the president dont have a pot to piss in the american dollar isn't worth wiping your ass any more wwhy is that ???? ahh lets just make more money how can you pay for something when usa is litterally check kiteing
with all american manufacturing lost there exports gone
China has already said USA has defaulted on there loan agreement by lessening the value of the american dollar or should i say it this way

As the Federal Reserve overprints more money, the money supply inflates, and too much money starts chasing too few goods and services, which means prices go up. But contrary to the charade put on by the Federal Reserve, inflation doesn't just come and go due to some arcane sorcery. The Federal Reserve can halt inflation any time it wants to by simply shutting down those printing presses. It therefore follows that both inflation and recession are fully under the control of the Federal Reserve. Over time, that excess of printing has destroyed the value of that dollar you think you have. If you want to know by just how much, go out and try to purchase 371.25 grains of silver right now. Usually, the deterioration is gradual. Sometimes, it has to be obvious, such as the 1985 devaluation (done to halt the trade imbalance) which triggered the Japanese real-estate grab in this country

I would add that the Fed manages that inevitable inflation by manipulating interest rates (the rate it charges to banks to borrow short-term money). As that rate approaches zero, its clout is diminished.

just off topic why would you have in the poll you have coservatives and liberals. why not have republicans vs democrats. because out of the conservatives or liberals they are part of a bigger picture between dems and reps

I actually think you have that backward. Conservative and liberal ideaologies are the bigger picture, and organized parties are subsets of those. Take tea partiers, for example. Many of them do not consider themselves Republicans, but are certainly conservative. Same for Libertarians. You might be closer to the mark where Democrats are concerned, but I still prefer the liberal reference.