Diablo OG In Dual Monster Plant System

[HiImNick]

I'm really high right now so bear with me. I came upon your grow with 0 (zero) experience and just a lot of research under my belt (bet it good or bad). I read it front and back and I'd have to say that it might have convinced me to start my first grow with the same sort of D.W.C. / Aeroponics type grow. I had originally gone from D.W.C... to Ebb n Flow... to drain to waste drip irrigation, but I'm seriously considering your system of growth. Any advice for a complete noob?

 

[lordjin]

I'm really high right now so bear with me. I came upon your grow with 0 (zero) experience and just a lot of research under my belt (bet it good or bad). I read it front and back and I'd have to say that it might have convinced me to start my first grow with the same sort of D.W.C. / Aeroponics type grow. I had originally gone from D.W.C... to Ebb n Flow... to drain to waste drip irrigation, but I'm seriously considering your system of growth. Any advice for a complete noob?

What? Someone surfing RIU.org is under the influence of m-m-marijuana? Gasp! Lol!

You'll have to forgive ME, because I have next to zero experience posting on RIU not high.

I need some basic information first. What (aside from money) do you have or have access to? And if money is all that you have, what kind of budget are we talking about? And what amount of space were you thinking of using? Give me a rundown and I'll talk your ears off with information and suggestions.

Much thanks for reading and your interest!

 

[RioAbajoRio]

Hi ya! Getting all my bits and pieces together to knock up a prototype of this system, just love it! Got another question for you regarding the aero part...Are you drawing from the same nute supply ? I had initially expected that answer to be yes until I saw a post about aero needing less nutrients and build up issues, then wondered if a seperate supply was needed? Scratches head, logic says it wouldnt work, no recirculation so would have to be auto fed from a different tank and then where would the run off go? Think I might have talked myself into the answer. God Im rambling. Where was I? oh yes, prototype..what if anything would you change about the system itself in hindsight? Access problems? Cleaning/res changing issues? Deeper tub? Run off tap? More holes? Less holes? Im looking to try and learn from your mistakes lol xx

 

[lordjin]

Hi ya! Getting all my bits and pieces together to knock up a prototype of this system, just love it! Got another question for you regarding the aero part...Are you drawing from the same nute supply ? I had initially expected that answer to be yes until I saw a post about aero needing less nutrients and build up issues, then wondered if a seperate supply was needed? Scratches head, logic says it wouldnt work, no recirculation so would have to be auto fed from a different tank and then where would the run off go? Think I might have talked myself into the answer. God Im rambling. Where was I? oh yes, prototype..what if anything would you change about the system itself in hindsight? Access problems? Cleaning/res changing issues? Deeper tub? Run off tap? More holes? Less holes? Im looking to try and learn from your mistakes lol xx

Yes, by all means keep it simple and recirculating. I simply placed a submersible with ample power right smack dab in the middle of the res bottom. Running up and over said pump is a what I like to call a PVC 'H' bar with only four sprayer heads for each plant (two on each side). Don't think adding lotsa spray heads will make thing better, it will just make things messier.

I wouldn't make any drastic changes to the tub itself because what you see is a product of many add-ons over a span of multiple grows. Water changes for me involve dipping a powerhead in the res, flipping a switch, and watching the old res solution pump out into my kitchen sink. Compared to hours and gallons of water through a soil pot? You get the picture. You need less nutes with aero (and UC as I just learned) for the same reasons. The vigorous, active water movement in both type of systems accelerates dispersal and consequently absorption of nutrients, thus needing less, and easier to burn your babies. Just load your res with oxy, keep it cool and shielded from light and your plants will grow like mad.

As for other system changes I wish for...I would make my lighting a completely enclosed wind tunnel, but that would mean I would have to cut another perfect four inch hole in the sheet metal of the cab somewhere. Don't have the tools and I don't want to bug my friend for something like that... but other than that no real major changes. I'm relieving this tub and cab combo of flowering duties in the near future, though, and will use it to house two monster mother plants in veg.

If you're going to make a tub like mine, please install the auto-topper I have described. This sprayer environment is so active, fluid is absorbed rapidly by the plants... having to hand top something like this would be very, very impractical. You would be running around with a pitcher of water constantly.

If you have any more questions as you build, I'm all ears.

Thanks!

 

[HiImNick]

What? Someone surfing RIU.org is under the influence of m-m-marijuana? Gasp! Lol!

You'll have to forgive ME, because I have next to zero experience posting on RIU not high.

I need some basic information first. What (aside from money) do you have or have access to? And if money is all that you have, what kind of budget are we talking about? And what amount of space were you thinking of using? Give me a rundown and I'll talk your ears off with information and suggestions.

Much thanks for reading and your interest!

Hm.. okay this might take a little while as I try to remember.. So I am planning to grow in a 3 car garage in which I am most concerned about temps rather than size.. however I can easily partition the one car garage from the two car garage and that is where I intend to grow, at least initially (I plan to expand into the 2 car garage area after a time and make the one car garage my area for mothers). Being that I'm going to be living in an area that gets REALLY hot during the summer I will purchase an air conditioner for the garage; luckily there is also a door leading to the side yard in the one car garage from which I can draw fresh air and exhaust my scrubbed air.

I'm going to be using one of the Secret Jardin grow rooms... I'm thinking the 8' by 4' by 7'. Oh I almost forgot about my budget. I'm going to be spending (at least this point) upwards of 2,500 and in case I plan to go bigger, I have the funds necessary. I am a California Prop 215 medical patient. Seeing as how I live in NorCal I have access to a lot of quality growers and hydro stores, my roommate's brother-in-law who is going to be my mentor also owns and operates a dispensary in SoCal (I think in Irvine? I can't remember). I also have a reliable partner whom I went to high school with and have known for a long time.

So right now the plan is (or waaas) to set up a 8' by 4' tray on top of a frame and have a 50 gallon reservoir underneath that I'd just discard the nutrients from into my outdoor flower garden when it gets full. I'm going to have a 60 gallon drum sitting right outside my grow tent (another reason for the air conditioner) with a water pump to pump water to my 12 plants through drip emitters. I still have yet to figure out whether this is a continuous feed system or if it runs on a feed timer . For the plants I'm going to put them in pots and fill them with 80% hydroton and 20% rockwool after purchasing clones (rooted in rockwool) from a local dispensary. I'm thinking of putting two spike drip emitters in each pot or a ring drip feed. For air management I'm going to have a 6 inch inline fan drawing in air at the bottom of my tent and a 8 inch inline connected to a Can Carbon filter at the top so as to create negative pressure.

For lights I'm going to be using 2 600 watt HPS lights.. however this might change and if I have enough money that might be 2 1000 watt HPS lights--I am concerned about heat in such a small grow area, though. I might just use 2 600 watt MH lights for Veggie and 2 1000 watt HPS for flowering. For plants I am going to start with something high yielding and forgiving to a beginner--so I'm most likely going to get Bubba Kush clones. I do not plan to train or tie down my plants as this is my first grow and I really don't want to fuck anything up. I'm just going to have to keep a close eye on the distance between my lights and my top colas. For nutes I am using the Grow, Micro, and Bloom system as well as Bud Candy and Big Bud from Advanced Nutes along with Bushmaster and Snow Storm Ultra from Humbold County's Own, the latter of which come highly recommended to me from an experienced local grower. I will have to find some kind of root booster additive in the future. Still researching that.

That's the spiel right now. I might switch in the future to your D.W.C. type grow though. I initially chose drain to waste drip irrigation mainly because it doesn't really waste water and besides, that's how Nature waters her plants! Haha. Anyways, I know that was kind of long winded. Yeah.

Edit: You're going to be making some AMAZING earwax hash with the trim from your plants! I don't know why I remembered that just now. I... just did.

 

[lordjin]

Hm.. okay this might take a little while as I try to remember.. So I am planning to grow in a 3 car garage in which I am most concerned about temps rather than size.. however I can easily partition the one car garage from the two car garage and that is where I intend to grow, at least initially (I plan to expand into the 2 car garage area after a time and make the one car garage my area for mothers). Being that I'm going to be living in an area that gets REALLY hot during the summer I will purchase an air conditioner for the garage; luckily there is also a door leading to the side yard in the one car garage from which I can draw fresh air and exhaust my scrubbed air.

I'm going to be using one of the Secret Jardin grow rooms... I'm thinking the 8' by 4' by 7'. Oh I almost forgot about my budget. I'm going to be spending (at least this point) upwards of 2,500 and in case I plan to go bigger, I have the funds necessary. I am a California Prop 215 medical patient. Seeing as how I live in NorCal I have access to a lot of quality growers and hydro stores, my roommate's brother-in-law who is going to be my mentor also owns and operates a dispensary in SoCal (I think in Irvine? I can't remember). I also have a reliable partner whom I went to high school with and have known for a long time.

So right now the plan is (or waaas) to set up a 8' by 4' tray on top of a frame and have a 50 gallon reservoir underneath that I'd just discard the nutrients from into my outdoor flower garden when it gets full. I'm going to have a 60 gallon drum sitting right outside my grow tent (another reason for the air conditioner) with a water pump to pump water to my 12 plants through drip emitters. I still have yet to figure out whether this is a continuous feed system or if it runs on a feed timer . For the plants I'm going to put them in pots and fill them with 80% hydroton and 20% rockwool after purchasing clones (rooted in rockwool) from a local dispensary. I'm thinking of putting two spike drip emitters in each pot or a ring drip feed. For air management I'm going to have a 6 inch inline fan drawing in air at the bottom of my tent and a 8 inch inline connected to a Can Carbon filter at the top so as to create negative pressure.

For lights I'm going to be using 2 600 watt HPS lights.. however this might change and if I have enough money that might be 2 1000 watt HPS lights--I am concerned about heat in such a small grow area, though. I might just use 2 600 watt MH lights for Veggie and 2 1000 watt HPS for flowering. For plants I am going to start with something high yielding and forgiving to a beginner--so I'm most likely going to get Bubba Kush clones. I do not plan to train or tie down my plants as this is my first grow and I really don't want to fuck anything up. I'm just going to have to keep a close eye on the distance between my lights and my top colas. For nutes I am using the Grow, Micro, and Bloom system as well as Bud Candy and Big Bud from Advanced Nutes along with Bushmaster and Snow Storm Ultra from Humbold County's Own, the latter of which come highly recommended to me from an experienced local grower. I will have to find some kind of root booster additive in the future. Still researching that.

That's the spiel right now. I might switch in the future to your D.W.C. type grow though. I initially chose drain to waste drip irrigation mainly because it doesn't really waste water and besides, that's how Nature waters her plants! Haha. Anyways, I know that was kind of long winded. Yeah.

Edit: You're going to be making some AMAZING earwax hash with the trim from your plants! I don't know why I remembered that just now. I... just did.

Whoa, you don't need my help. In fact I might need yours. Lol.

You sound like you know what you're talking about. You're a noob? Hmmm... I don't know, lotsa self-proclaimed 'noobs' on here sound like they know more than me. Ha ha.

Yeah, just do what you're gonna do. I don't disagree with anything you said in your description. Good growing.

 

[HiImNick]

Whoa, you don't need my help. In fact I might need yours. Lol.

You sound like you know what you're talking about. You're a noob? Hmmm... I don't know, lotsa self-proclaimed 'noobs' on here sound like they know more than me. Ha ha.

Yeah, just do what you're gonna do. I don't disagree with anything you said in your description. Good growing.

Aw don't be so humble. That's okay though, your results speak for themselves.. I say I'm a noob because all I've done is research, research, research... gaining mentors along the way. I haven't actually grown anything yet but if I get anything close to yours I'll be ecstatic!

 

[lordjin]

Aw don't be so humble. That's okay though, your results speak for themselves.. I say I'm a noob because all I've done is research, research, research... gaining mentors along the way. I haven't actually grown anything yet but if I get anything close to yours I'll be ecstatic!

Based upon what you had to say, I'm sure you'll do just fine. You mentioned your own mentor in addition to all the research? I think you'll have a successful first grow, be really inspired by it to improve, and go on to even better grows... Just like I did.

 

[lordjin]

 

[lordjin]

No clever titles this time. Just BIG NUG TIME.

Last two with flash off to show massive bulk shading.

I'm really hoping plant 2 (the colas of which you see in the rear) is just behind the stronger plant 1 (foreground) in development and will eventually look like her bigger sister.
I know there's been some talk of nutrient brands being thrown around, but come on guys, give it up for GH and Liquid Koolbloom. I think their brand, just as much as anything else in my grow, deserves credit.

 

[lordjin]

Here is a closer look at the often overlooked plant 2. I think she would probably be the best plant in most boxes, but not this one. She's just a little slower I think and will come around.

 

[dsmoke1]

Keep on trucking dude. How much longer? Starting to see some nice calyx formation and pistil coloration. Gotta be a couple weeks out at most!

 

[lordjin]

Keep on trucking dude. How much longer? Starting to see some nice calyx formation and pistil coloration. Gotta be a couple weeks out at most!

And a happy early, early Saturday morning to you, sir. I'm thinking two more weeks and then another week of pure water rinse.

edit:

The hairs really correlate best with prescribed flowering time. I think the label on the pot is right. From the number of fresh hairs still showing (and many are still erect and plump with no signs of wilting) it's gonna take 63 days at least. I think I mistook the rapid initial bulking for flower speed, but I think it was just immense vigor. These plants aren't done yet, and from what I've seen, they don't look even close to full swell.

edit again:

Sorry to keep rambling. Feeling like a high rambling rambler just now. As the flowering period advances, I start ratcheting down the ppm levels and in the last week, I inject straight Koolbloom when the ppm level falls. This creates mind-numbing flower bulk... Well, it did in my last three or so grows.

 

[ChairmanMaow]

The hairs really correlate best with prescribed flowering time. I think the label on the pot is right. From the number of fresh hairs still showing (and many are still erect and plump with no signs of wilting) it's gonna take 63 days at least. I think I mistook the rapid initial bulking for flower speed, but I think it was just immense vigor. These plants aren't done yet, and from what I've seen, they don't look even close to full swell.

I can't believe the size of your buds, and to think, you've still got 1/3 of the time left? Man. What a deal!

I love being able to get clones for a fair donation (sometimes free!)

It's nice to get good genetics.

I hate you.

As the flowering period advances, I start ratcheting down the ppm levels and in the last week, I inject straight Koolbloom when the ppm level falls. This creates mind-numbing flower bulk... Well, it did in my last three or so grows.

I still can't believe there's still more bulking to go! Do you even need to stop by the shops down there? I mean, I know it's nice to get a variety, but I'm sure you get a good enough stash from some of these monster grows

 

[lordjin]

I can't believe the size of your buds, and to think, you've still got 1/3 of the time left? Man. What a deal!

I love being able to get clones for a fair donation (sometimes free!)

It's nice to get good genetics.

I hate you.



I still can't believe there's still more bulking to go! Do you even need to stop by the shops down there? I mean, I know it's nice to get a variety, but I'm sure you get a good enough stash from some of these monster grows

Hey, thanks for that. It sure put a little grin on my face this morning before walking to get a cup of java. I need my coffee, so I'll make this brief.

I do, actually, just like the rest of mortal man, have to hit the shops. I try to limit it between grows, but when a grow starts advancing and looks really good, I get all excited and want to be high for the spectacle. It's also a great way for me to compare what I've grown to the top OG's of the shops. Since my body is used to smoking nothing but top flight OG's my harvested bud better be as good or better. My bud has never failed me. Always as good or better than the $75 for 3.5g stuff at the shops.

 

[323cheezy]

I been doing that for years sonny..lol
I couldnt name u all the ogs ive smoked...
But ill tell u one thing ... its not the same as it used to be ...
Some of the kushes back then were killing the ogs out right now...
And most the ogs goin out threw the black market in 06..07 were way danker than most of what i smoke now...(and nothing like the kushes youd get in the the shops that are labeled pk hindu or ghanni).. most the masters dont even grow it anymore and just supervise or oversee distribution through the collecs.....

I can get top notch right now for 50 ... that puts some 60 dollar 70 og scammers prices to shame ..
And u can even get good for 45....now...
If you really want to blow money like that ...yeah youll get top notch product ... ....
but At times your just getting betters slices ..and higher potency meds....or home brands with fancy names ...trust..
20% thc is far high enuff...
And the stuff i get is all mostly tested at 20+.....

I will say that your og bud structure is spot on ..and better than most on riu who grow out og strains...
Seems fitting since were probly working with similar gear.....
Great job on the diablo's ...

 

[lordjin]

I been doing that for years sonny..lol
I couldnt name u all the ogs ive smoked...
But ill tell u one thing ... its not the same as it used to be ...
Some of the kushes back then were killing the ogs out right now...
And most the ogs goin out threw the black market in 06..07 were way danker than most of what i smoke now...(and nothing like the kushes youd get in the the shops that are labeled pk hindu or ghanni).. most the masters dont even grow it anymore and just supervise or oversee distribution through the collecs.....

I can get top notch right now for 50 ... that puts some 60 dollar 70 og scammers prices to shame ..
And u can even get good for 45....now...
If you really want to blow money like that ...yeah youll get top notch product ... ....
but At times your just getting betters slices ..and higher potency meds....or home brands with fancy names ...trust..
20% thc is far high enuff...
And the stuff i get is all mostly tested at 20+.....

I will say that your og bud structure is spot on ..and better than most on riu who grow out og strains...
Seems fitting since were probly working with similar gear.....
Great job on the diablo's ...

Wow, I would kill for a great OG at $50 per 3.5g. I think $60 is a pretty good deal. I guess I'm used to slightly more expensive shops because of the area I live in. I mean, I probably got my clones from a shop that has seen the likes of Seth Rogan on more than one occasion. The shop I go to for my personal meds is pricey. Their OG's go for 60 for 3.5g but used to be 75 for 4.5g. I really didn't mind paying the 75 when it used to be 4.5g, but these days I'm trying to buy smaller quantities at a time trying to control my pace of consumption. How has it been working? Not so good. I just go to the shop every other day. At least I'm getting more exercise.

I've sampled a few of the shops around my area, but there are sooooo many concentrated in the part of town I live in, it's not even funny. For example, there are six (count 'em six) that I know of in walking distance from me. A short drive will increase your selection and so forth. Sure enough, all these places have the 'gold-standard' label jars that they keep on higher shelves. The OG's generally are found in this category. Again, too many shops to try them all, but based on my sampling, this here local shop I go to has consistently the best quality OG meds. I hate it when I shell out for OG from some shop and it doesn't quite have that signature earthy punch. It's too bad you can't return it.

 

[323cheezy]

Its really a matter of opinoin....
I have 8 collectives within a mile radius of my house...and over 300 within 20 miles...
Im not braggin... its just the way its is now..
Ive been to over 40 different clubs .... riding the first time patient deals ... and i will tell u theres some bad apples but most places are good..
I stick one place now since they have bomb meds at a good price and theyre close buy....
Plus there shit s always on par ... and have enuff varieties to fufill your og fascination....

One time i went to this place in hollywood ..
They had a massive selection of ogs and lower end ...
Everything was 60 t o 80 on og's from jupiter to saturn og..mauwie wowwie og....
I told the guy stop playing...(mind u this place is good)...
I never paid so much since i was dealing on the black market..
Dude told me straight up "The reason we do this is cause lil punk rich kids will buy anything for 70 if it dank og"..
so he ofered me the jupiter for 55 and mowie og..
I took the mowiee wowwie og for 55 and was out ...it was goood but about the same quality i could get for 50 easily...

Too me its a sickness really ... started when i first yielded big...
I always been a blunt smoking pot head for 15+years and eventually became acustom to smoking even more than ever....
I mean all that weed siting around ... i just couldnt help myself...
Now between harvest i easily spend $200+ on meds per week when im out....
So going the 60 route just wouldnt slice it for me...

It really is a waste of money ...
I think that the club who first coined diablo og and was said to have the best diablo(true cut) is out in the valley ??? Reseda i believe???
There called HR (humbolt remedies)... they only charge 45 cap now...
Most of the good shops will folow suit .....

I can tell you for sure ive smoked og from clubs for $60-65...
And it was dank but no where as near as good as the 50cap stuff i get now....

 

[lordjin]

Its really a matter of opinoin....
I have 8 collectives within a mile radius of my house...and over 300 within 20 miles...
Im not braggin... its just the way its is now..
Ive been to over 40 different clubs .... riding the first time patient deals ... and i will tell u theres some bad apples but most places are good..
I stick one place now since they have bomb meds at a good price and theyre close buy....
Plus there shit s always on par ... and have enuff varieties to fufill your og fascination....

One time i went to this place in hollywood ..
They had a massive selection of ogs and lower end ...
Everything was 60 t o 80 on og's from jupiter to saturn og..mauwie wowwie og....
I told the guy stop playing...(mind u this place is good)...
I never paid so much since i was dealing on the black market..
Dude told me straight up "The reason we do this is cause lil punk rich kids will buy anything for 70 if it dank og"..
so he ofered me the jupiter for 55 and mowie og..
I took the mowiee wowwie og for 55 and was out ...it was goood but about the same quality i could get for 50 easily...

Too me its a sickness really ... started when i first yielded big...
I always been a blunt smoking pot head for 15+years and eventually became acustom to smoking even more than ever....
I mean all that weed siting around ... i just couldnt help myself...
Now between harvest i easily spend $200+ on meds per week when im out....
So going the 60 route just wouldnt slice it for me...

It really is a waste of money ...
I think that the club who first coined diablo og and was said to have the best diablo(true cut) is out in the valley ??? Reseda i believe???
There called HR (humbolt remedies)... they only charge 45 cap now...
Most of the good shops will folow suit .....

I can tell you for sure ive smoked og from clubs for $60-65...
And it was dank but no where as near as good as the 50cap stuff i get now....

Yeah, it's highway robbery at some (most) of those places. And dig how fucking many there are now? I thought I had a lot, you beat even me.

That's why I got my eye on turning my box into a mother generator and starting a large tent for perpetual harvest (or as close to it as possible). This waiting around between grows is for the birds. And that's when you spend your money on store bought weed. You shouldn't have to spend 200 bucks a week on weed, and neither should I.

I figure it this way:

I start revegging a couple of clones into mothers. That takes around four weeks to get a plant big and strong enough to take cuttings from... but I'll veg extra long, like eight or nine weeks so the thing becomes this vegetated monster (I've never vegged past a month in all my regular flower grows - the thought of vegetating for two months for the purpose of harvesting clones excites me based on the vigor I have achieved in that box.) I take several dozen cuttings, virtually stripping the two giant, giant mothers of all viable shoots (and with my plants the number and strength of shoots in veg is beyond belief).

I take the six strongest, and I mean STRONGEST, meanest, monster cuttings, and plant them in the tent. I take whatever is left of the two mother plants and make as many more cuttings as possible, donating them to fellow patients and whatnot. While the cuttings in the flower tent are re-vegging again, I pull the remains of the mothers out and clean out the tub for a reset with two of the other larger finest clones set aside for this purpose. I figure if I keep breeding with the strongest, best branches of my grows, the quality will improve with each cycle. The challenge now is working out the timing between vegging mothers and flowering cuttings. If I lengthen the veg time of the mothers a little, and shorten the re-veg time of the clones in the undercurrent, I think a balance should be easy to strike. And if my mothers should get too big too soon, I can always cut them back and harvest clones as I go... perfect, right? Now it will ALWAYS be harvest time before I run out of the bud from my last grow. I can do this. It'll just take a little planning.

 

[HiImNick]

Yeah, it's highway robbery at some (most) of those places. And dig how fucking many there are now? I thought I had a lot, you beat even me.

That's why I got my eye on turning my box into a mother generator and starting a large tent for perpetual harvest (or as close to it as possible). This waiting around between grows is for the birds. And that's when you spend your money on store bought weed. You shouldn't have to spend 200 bucks a week on weed, and neither should I.

I figure it this way:

I start revegging a couple of clones into mothers. That takes around four weeks to get a plant big and strong enough to take cuttings from... but I'll veg extra long, like eight or nine weeks so the thing becomes this vegetated monster (I've never vegged past a month in all my regular flower grows - the thought of vegetating for two months for the purpose of harvesting clones excites me based on the vigor I have achieved in that box.) I take several dozen cuttings, virtually stripping the two giant, giant mothers of all viable shoots (and with my plants the number and strength of shoots in veg is beyond belief).

I take the six strongest, and I mean STRONGEST, meanest, monster cuttings, and plant them in the tent. I take whatever is left of the two mother plants and make as many more cuttings as possible, donating them to fellow patients and whatnot. While the cuttings in the flower tent are re-vegging again, I pull the remains of the mothers out and clean out the tub for a reset with two of the other larger finest clones set aside for this purpose. I figure if I keep breeding with the strongest, best branches of my grows, the quality will improve with each cycle. The challenge now is working out the timing between vegging mothers and flowering cuttings. If I lengthen the veg time of the mothers a little, and shorten the re-veg time of the clones in the undercurrent, I think a balance should be easy to strike. And if my mothers should get too big too soon, I can always cut them back and harvest clones as I go... perfect, right? Now it will ALWAYS be harvest time before I run out of the bud from my last grow. I can do this. It'll just take a little planning.

Forgive me if I'm wrong, I'm still learning... But although it sounds like you are selecting the most vigorous clones and cuttings aren't you still running with the same genetics? So they'll grow out the same regardless of whether you artificially select the best looking branches/cuttings? I thought you could only select the most vigorous plants from seed and then only see noticeable improvement after many generations of selection. That's my basic understanding of it, anyways, from one college Biology class, lol. Correct me if I'm wrong