Diablo OG In Dual Monster Plant System

lordjin · Jun 4, 2011

HiImNick said:
Forgive me if I'm wrong, I'm still learning... But although it sounds like you are selecting the most vigorous clones and cuttings aren't you still running with the same genetics? So they'll grow out the same regardless of whether you artificially select the best looking branches/cuttings? I thought you could only select the most vigorous plants from seed and then only see noticeable improvement after many generations of selection. That's my basic understanding of it, anyways, from one college Biology class, lol. Correct me if I'm wrong

I think you're right. My terminology may have been a little too liberal when I used the word "breeding." However, I have noticed a difference in strength and vigor depending upon which part of the mother plant the clone has been taken from. They also grow a little differently depending upon the part of the plant they've been cut from. For example the clones in my current grow, I could tell that plant one was taken from a higher extremity while plant two looked like it came from a lower one. Initially, plant two, the clone taken from a lower part of the mother, grew bigger and stronger in veg. But the biggest donkey dicks you see now are from plant one, the clone that looked like it was a higher branch.

Genetic selection is not being altered here. You're correct. But rather grow characteristics are being kept optimal by superior branch selection.

Edit: And by 'improving the quality with each cycle,' I think I meant more specifically to say improving yield... as quality dictated by genetic factors should remain stable.

323cheezy · Jun 4, 2011

I think he just wants to maintain the healthies cuts and make them mothers..
And then take more cuts from those mothers and make mothers from those cuts....
In order to keep a consistant flow of this diablo cut ... to grow it out since its a keeper in his mind....
But to say it ill evolve into a differnt strain???...i dont think there will be much varieation ..... maybe little due to altering conditions.....
Either way if he doesnt want to lose the strain keepin a mother is ideal....

opps i was a lil late....lol

lordjin · Jun 4, 2011

323cheezy said:
I think he just wants to maintain the healthies cuts and make them mothers..
And then take more cuts from those mothers and make mothers from those cuts....
In order to keep a consistant flow of this diablo cut ... to grow it out since its a keeper in his mind....
But to say it ill evolve into a differnt strain???...i dont think there will be much varieation ..... maybe little due to altering conditions.....
Either way if he doesnt want to lose the strain keepin a mother is ideal....

opps i was a lil late....lol

Absolutely. That is exactly what I had in mind.

This here plant one ranks through the roof as clone candidate, but alas, she's just a bud-yielder. I'm confident in the source, though, and realize that these here diablo genetics are not a fluke with these people. If they have diablo again at time of clone acquisition, I would be insane not to consider strongly after what I've seen these do, but there are sooo many wonderful OG strains....

HiImNick · Jun 4, 2011

Ah okay, that makes a lot more sense. When I first read it I thought you were describing genetic selection which wouldn't really make sense lol XD. Just curious... you're going to make some earwax hash with your trim right? I've helped my friends trim in the past and that's always what we did after the trim was done drying--nothing more rewarding than spending a day trimming and then getting an eighth of amazing earwax hash in return

lordjin · Jun 4, 2011

HiImNick said:
Ah okay, that makes a lot more sense. When I first read it I thought you were describing genetic selection which wouldn't really make sense lol XD. Just curious... you're going to make some earwax hash with your trim right? I've helped my friends trim in the past and that's always what we did after the trim was done drying--nothing more rewarding than spending a day trimming and then getting an eighth of amazing earwax hash in return

Yes, genetics are established already in the clone. You're just looking to continue its line the best you can. that's why it's so crucial to get a kick ass phenotype.

Earwax hash? That sounds interesting. Normally I just let my leaves hang out in a box to dry and keif 'em with a sifter box I have. How do you make earwax?

HiImNick · Jun 4, 2011

lordjin said:
Yes, genetics are established already in the clone. You're just looking to continue its line the best you can. that's why it's so crucial to get a kick ass phenotype.

Earwax hash? That sounds interesting. Normally I just let my leaves hang out in a box to dry and keif 'em with a sifter box I have. How do you make earwax?

It's essentially just butane extraction except in the way that it's finished. Most butane oil hash makers just kinda stir the amber oil around in the pyrex over a low induction heat source and then call it a day once they figure all of the butane has boiled away like in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWrWfd-0UjI.

Earwax hash unfortunately takes a lot more work. So you take a dabber (like for concentrate glass and shit) and while your pyrex plate is still inside of the warm water tray you really agitate it a lot with your dabber to get the most butane evaporation and spread it over the pyrex. Instead of turning a dark amber oil it starts looking like, well more like boogars in that it is limey-green, gooey consistency eventually. Just keep making lines and lines into the hash mixture, scrape it up, spread it back down, make more lines and circles and shit and eventually you get a super aerated, butane-free earwax hash. It's up to you how you want the consistency to be.

Here's the most accurate video I've found on Youtube of the process: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPImH-7wk9A
Edit: Starts at about 3:37

although the process I've used in the past differs in that I used an unbleached filter and a glass pipe (rather than ABS). I like to make sure that whatever duct tape I'm using is farther up the pipe from the filter so it doesn't contaminate it. I am pretty much an amateur at it but this method has worked in the past with AMAZING results. A lot of clubs in my area (South Bay) carry earwax / full melt hash that is pretty pricey. It's pretty rewarding to make it yourself for way cheaper.

Edit 2: My friend tells me he likes to stir in a little kief as well to add taste.

lordjin · Jun 4, 2011

Yes, it's that magical time again. A weekly Calendar Girl update can mean only one thing. That's right. Another week has gone by and they are continuing to size up. I think it gets noticeably more crowded looking to the naked eye around every three days or so. Judge for yourself...

lordjin · Jun 4, 2011

Minor update. Just a few close-ups.

Remember, if you're a cute 420 girl, and you would like to try some of this when it's done, PM me for details...Lol!
I also am in need of a roommate right now, so inquire within if in need of a place in West LA.

lordjin · Jun 4, 2011

HiImNick said:
It's essentially just butane extraction except in the way that it's finished. Most butane oil hash makers just kinda stir the amber oil around in the pyrex over a low induction heat source and then call it a day once they figure all of the butane has boiled away like in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWrWfd-0UjI.

Earwax hash unfortunately takes a lot more work. So you take a dabber (like for concentrate glass and shit) and while your pyrex plate is still inside of the warm water tray you really agitate it a lot with your dabber to get the most butane evaporation and spread it over the pyrex. Instead of turning a dark amber oil it starts looking like, well more like boogars in that it is limey-green, gooey consistency eventually. Just keep making lines and lines into the hash mixture, scrape it up, spread it back down, make more lines and circles and shit and eventually you get a super aerated, butane-free earwax hash. It's up to you how you want the consistency to be.

Here's the most accurate video I've found on Youtube of the process: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPImH-7wk9A
Edit: Starts at about 3:37

although the process I've used in the past differs in that I used an unbleached filter and a glass pipe (rather than ABS). I like to make sure that whatever duct tape I'm using is farther up the pipe from the filter so it doesn't contaminate it. I am pretty much an amateur at it but this method has worked in the past with AMAZING results. A lot of clubs in my area (South Bay) carry earwax / full melt hash that is pretty pricey. It's pretty rewarding to make it yourself for way cheaper.

Edit 2: My friend tells me he likes to stir in a little kief as well to add taste.

Not sure if messin' with burning chemicals is my thing. Too much like a meth lab. Lol! No, seriously, that sounds awesome, and I would love to smoke your earwax (gross), but I really, really shouldn't burn things... in fact I'm not even sure if sharp objects are a good thing in my hands. It's all I can do to collect the kief I am so lazy. I was thinking about pressing it into those discs once, but am quite happy with sprinkling my bowls with kief, although doing so can make you cough your eyes out.

HiImNick · Jun 4, 2011

lordjin said:
Not sure if messin' with burning chemicals is my thing. Too much like a meth lab. Lol! No, seriously, that sounds awesome, and I would love to smoke your earwax (gross), but I really, really shouldn't burn things... in fact I'm not even sure if sharp objects are a good thing in my hands. It's all I can do to collect the kief I am so lazy. I was thinking about pressing it into those discs once, but am quite happy with sprinkling my bowls with kief, although doing so can make you cough your eyes out.

I feel you dude. Sesh's on the couch usually start with emptying the third compartment of my grinder and sprinkling some of that kief on top of a nice big party bowl mmmm. Once I get my grow started up and after my first harvest I'd be happy to share some of my earwax hash with you (or if you have a fair amount of trim you want to bring and make into earwax hash hehe)! If you're ever headed up to Yosemite for a shroomin' weekend let me know haha I'll be living along the way this fall in my new bigass house.

Dude are you a photographer? Your Day 45 calendar model is oh so fiiiiine B)

lordjin · Jun 4, 2011

HiImNick said:
I feel you dude. Sesh's on the couch usually start with emptying the third compartment of my grinder and sprinkling some of that kief on top of a nice big party bowl mmmm. Once I get my grow started up and after my first harvest I'd be happy to share some of my earwax hash with you (or if you have a fair amount of trim you want to bring and make into earwax hash hehe)! If you're ever headed up to Yosemite for a shroomin' weekend let me know haha I'll be living along the way this fall in my new bigass house.

Dude are you a photographer? Your Day 45 calendar model is oh so fiiiiine B)

Yeah, I'll just let the people who have had practice make it (like you).

Yeah, I'm a photographer on the side... sorta like I'm a pot grower... I've got it down to a science, but I need to expand...Lol.

Thank you. Day 45 girl is perhaps my favorite of them all too. She's just as beautiful inside as out. Not difficult to fall in love with that one.

4tatude · Jun 5, 2011

SWEET!!!!
All i can say without writing a book of praise...
GREAT GARDENING SKILLS BRO!!

lordjin · Jun 5, 2011

4tatude said:
SWEET!!!!
All i can say without writing a book of praise...
GREAT GARDENING SKILLS BRO!!

Why thank you, but I've made no secret of my recent "eureka." It's the oxygen I'm pumping. Unlike the more massive root mass at the bottom of the res I was expecting, the aggressive oxygen presence served to keep root overgrowth in check. Makes sense since the roots don't have to travel anywhere to find oxygen. The oxygen increase is having a noticeable effect on all the components of productivity in my system... not the least of which is the enhanced effectiveness of Liquid Koolbloom. The plants are still drinking the stuff greedily, but I don't want to over-dose them (a kind of overfeeding that is different from a straight burn) so as not require a flush period of more than a week. So I will in all likelihood change the water tomorrow (no way I'm letting these babies go more than a week without fresh nutes), and dial the PPM down to a thousand. I'll keep it at a thousand by shooting pure Koolbloom as I feed. Watch what happens next. Now I know how Dr. Frankenstein must have felt.

4tatude · Jun 5, 2011

lordjin said:
Why thank you, but I've made no secret of my recent "eureka." It's the oxygen I'm pumping. Unlike the more massive root mass at the bottom of the res I was expecting, the aggressive oxygen presence served to keep root overgrowth in check. Makes sense since the roots don't have to travel anywhere to find oxygen. The oxygen increase is having a noticeable effect on all the components of productivity in my system... not the least of which is the enhanced effectiveness of Liquid Koolbloom. The plants are still drinking the stuff greedily, but I don't want to over-dose them (a kind of overfeeding that is different from a straight burn) so as not require a flush period of more than a week. So I will in all likelihood change the water tomorrow (no way I'm letting these babies go more than a week without fresh nutes), and dial the PPM down to a thousand. I'll keep it at a thousand by shooting pure Koolbloom as I feed. Watch what happens next. Now I know how Dr. Frankenstein must have felt.

agreed lj
i had an o2 problem before n it brought to light how esential o2 is not only for health but nute uptake etc etc, just overall health. im running a 40lpm pump with a stone in every bucket, the plant response has been wonderfull, n like youi said the root ball is big but not overbearing. if they have what they need they dont need to waste energy looking.
not familiar with Kool bloom but will read up a little on it since your so big on it. i know ive read it but just didnt retain, would you mind giving a run down of the nutes your using n why that in paticular? would help us nubees to understand what is behind the choices/mix

lordjin · Jun 5, 2011

4tatude said:
agreed lj
i had an o2 problem before n it brought to light how esential o2 is not only for health but nute uptake etc etc, just overall health. im running a 40lpm pump with a stone in every bucket, the plant response has been wonderfull, n like youi said the root ball is big but not overbearing. if they have what they need they dont need to waste energy looking.
not familiar with Kool bloom but will read up a little on it since your so big on it. i know ive read it but just didnt retain, would you mind giving a run down of the nutes your using n why that in paticular? would help us nubees to understand what is behind the choices/mix

I'm just using the GH micro three part and Koolbloom along with Foralicious plus. No particular reason in using their brand. When I started my first grow, the dude at the shop said GH was the most widely used and very dependable, so I just went with that. I've been using it ever since. I'm thinking about changing, but I've had a lot of practice with GH, so know exactly what it'll do (for me).

Oh, so you're running one of those serious, loud pumps too? Aren't they great? As long as you can put the grow FAR away from where you sleep...Lol.

lordjin · Jun 5, 2011

I changed the water again. The sugar concentration has the ph dangerously high. In the past few weeks, the plants have been exhibiting a tendency to rise in ph in the first three to six hours after water change, and then level off to a slow drop. I think this is the last water change until flush.

The bud pictured in the next three below is my crowning achievement as a grower. It is the single most magnificent OG Kush cola I've ever grown, and I'm proud to share it with you here if not at harvest lol. I've grown bigger buds, but for a true OG Kush, not some weird cross, these nugs are big.

The sweet zone is getting thicker. Let's see what happens in the next week.

A sweet pulled-back macro of one of the mid-sized smaller buds. Isn't she pretty?

And another shot to highlight the massive columns that have developed.

Next two are today's contribution to what has become the 'flash off' segment of my galleries. This is a bit closer to how it looks to the naked eye under the HPS compared to flash on, but the dynamic range of shadow is exaggerated a bit. It looks really cool, though, imo.

DIABLO BAPTISM
The roots have taken a beating but they just keep drinking. Here is plant two getting a much needed rinse after a long week of drinking.

HiImNick · Jun 5, 2011

All good shit. Those buds are FAT. How's your humidity? It'd be such a shame to grow such beautiful bud and then have some bud rot show up during harvest

dsmoke1 · Jun 5, 2011

Get at it man! Almost there.

lordjin · Jun 5, 2011

HiImNick said:
All good shit. Those buds are FAT. How's your humidity? It'd be such a shame to grow such beautiful bud and then have some bud rot show up during harvest

I know, with the kind of density that's developing, the thought of mold did occur to me. The humidity is very low at 20% most of the time, rarely rising to 30% never over 35%. If you'll notice how dry and wind-battered my leaves look, you can see that I'm doing all I can to keep the air dry and moving. I'm hoping that due to the lack of humidity and constant wind, the buds will protect themselves from rot by sheer oil production.

4tatude · Jun 5, 2011

these last couple weeks should put some serious weight on those monsters lol, are they typical kush buds? meaning HARD. id not call those donkeys typical except on a donkey...
you running what 62 65 days? what % amber/milky/clear you looking to reach? i cut a few along the way last time and found a big difference in high with very little time, im talking 3 or 4 days between samples. makes for an interesting stash to say the least.

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