Round 2 - Its about time. A [Soil - CFL - Closet] Grow

[Brokenhope420]

Because of how ghetto my setup is, I really couldn't. The top of my setup is a cardboard reflector I made, with a vanity light strip running all the way down it, it is really unstable, but it works... the only way I could change it would be to remove the reflector all together, so the top and front would be completely open, almost no light reflected, but the heat would be free to rise out.

Currently with the fan blowing in, it blows in at an angle, but theres literally no exhaust, at the top corner where the front reflector angles heat kind of pours out, but not because of the fan, its because theres a giant heat bubble on top. I actually think where my fan is placed is preventing some of the heat from pouring out on the other side.

How many CFLs do people normally use? I have 11... I am seriously considering tearing apart the reflector though, no doubt it will allow the heat to rise WAY better.

Thanks for your input. I will have pictures soon of all my plants and setup so you can see what I mean .

 

[Brokenhope420]

Yesterday was an off day.

Beta wasn't looking so great, mostly at the top where new growth is, very stringy droopy leafs.

I watered all the flowering plants with regular water for the first time yeseterday. Several other plants were watered. This was the normal time for Beta to be watered, and a day sooner for the other plants I chose to water.

I watered the flowering plants right before lights went out too.

Woke up today and Beta is not drooping at all, has some new growth, and everything else that was watered is looking even better than before.

Temperatures up to 95-96 max yesterday.

Beta grew taller in the dark period, I have to move it even further away from the lights today, is that a good sign its getting the right dark period? I heard they grow alot vertically.

But damn, the plants under the floros are beastly, some 100% healthy, never had such great plants, the floros does an amazing job vegging , cant wait to flower them... some of them are almost 2 months old. I took pictures yesterday, but I will probably take new pictures later today and post the newer ones.

 

[Jakebakingcake]

i told you those t-12s would kick ass!! as for the flowering beta.. yeah its a good sign if they grow alot in the dark cycle.. also good that you can notice growth this early into flowering..that means all is well in the life of your plants!! good work!

as for the nutes.. i would ween your plants very slowly onto their flowering nutes.. i would definatly water without nutes 2 times befor watering with the nutes.... also a big problem i ran into and am currently still dealing with is the ph fluxuation of the nutrients.. make sure than when you water with the nutes mixed in.that the ph is around the same as when you water normally!! other wise you will start seeing little yellow dots all over your plants!!

your plants are tough as hell man because 96 degrees would stress my plants all over the place.. thats definatly the reason beta's new growth is drooping a little bit!

 

[Brokenhope420]

Thanks, yeah the T-12s definitely is freakn amazing when it comes to vegging, so many plants can fit under it too, and it doesn't even get hot at all.

I think I did mess up the nutes somewhat, prior to the last watering, I had watered with nutes everytime, but I never used very much. I haven't had any nute burn problems or anything though, but the last water was with un nuted water, and it seemed to respond better to that.

I do have a pH meter, but it always seems to read the same thing, its a probe without battery kinda thing. My water usually pH's at 7.0, and all the soils with plants I tested in was 7.0 (way back earlier in the plants life before I had ever nuted them), I haven't used the pH meter since, but I may see how the nutes adjust the pH later on just in some test water that I wont water the plants with.

I just got done transplanting 2 more plants that were vegging, they were in peat pots, not very big, but I am thinking they will do the same thing as the others did in a bigger container, explode with growth. I also watered all the vegging plants with normal water.

Pictures soon .

My closet is really smelling like marijuana again, like it was doing way earlier in the grow and had stopped smelling when the plants started messing up. So thats a good sign too, and I love the smell .

 

[Brokenhope420]

Pictures and Day
Flowering (CFLs)
Day 67 (Day 5 Flowering; started 2/19/2008 ) - as of 2/24/2008 - Beta
Day 55 (Day 5 Flowering; started 2/19/2008 ) - as of 2/24/2008 - Dieing Puffy
Day ~27 (Day 5 Flowering; started 2/19/2008 ) - as of 2/24/2008 - CFL Joe

Vegging (T12 Floros)
Day 55 - as of 2/24/2008 - Shawty, Triplists (2 of 3 dead)
Day 27 - as of 2/24/2008 - Everything else

all comments welcome and wanted

 

[Jakebakingcake]

holy shit.. (rubbing my eyes) is brokenhope actually growing healthy plants?! thats amazing.. lol those vegging plants look perfect man ! did you finally get a hold of the heat issues cause they arent drooping. the ones you have under the t-12 will flower alot easier than beta and all the others have!!

 

[Brokenhope420]

Hahahaha thanks I am freakn amazed too.

The temperature is actually taken in the CFL setup, near the top where the most heat is (and I guess it kinda gets trapped there). The air right above the CFL setup is normally 10 degrees cooler than inside the setup. (Hygrometer takes 2 temperature readings, 1 probe, and another where the meters placed). The T-12 setup starts a few feet down from the CFL setup on the opposite wall, and its also a few feet lower than the table the CFLs sit on, so it really isn't hot at all where the T-12s are.

(but if it helps any whenever I check on the plants I blow on too them for a few min haha, trying to givie em some co2.)

The temperature seems to be keeping at 93 today, 2 degrees lower than usual. I also had an idea to remove an entire side to the CFL setup, and instead use some ghetto rigged thing to hold the light strip and reflector up on that side. Doing that would make the whole side open in the direction the fan points, I think that could help greatly, but more light lost.

The plants under the T-12 grew so much more after watering them yesterday, every one of them quite a bit of noticeable growth. The leafs are getting so big too and I have to spread them out more. I had to lower 4 more of them today. Everythings looking good under the T-12s .

Pictures tomm.

The flowering plants have not shown sex yet, today is day 6 flowering.

 

[badboybabyface]

hey broken..your doin great man..when you start determining sex i think you should clone..once you get your female the next best feeling is cutting off a couple leaves and whatchen them grow faster than the original while being garunteed females

 

[Brokenhope420]

hey broken..your doin great man..when you start determining sex i think you should clone..once you get your female the next best feeling is cutting off a couple leaves and whatchen them grow faster than the original while being garunteed females

Thanks . So I can clone it when its already flowering? I was actually planning on trying to clone something at some point, I saw several cloning solutions at walmart last time I went, and I have wanted to try it.

 

[badboybabyface]

yes but the sooner the better(of course when its bug enough)..i mean when you see the one or two of the first white hairs(pistils)thts would be a great time....i have a weaping willow around my area..it has a natural rooting hormone in it..i gotta boil a couple small branches till the water is very dark..let it cool..soak the bottom stem area..and grow..cheap but effective.but now that you mention walmart having it i may use that..but either way its not a NEEDED..you can clone with a straight water medium or dirt..so well be ok..

p.s you could clone betta now...just a suggestion..but we wouldnt wanna be clonin a male..id wait

 

[Brokenhope420]

I may just clone Beta, I gotta figure out exactly what I am doing though. Beta has a crap load of side branches growing everywhere.

Beta has been growing a lot in though, a lot more than in the past, I finally have it lowered all the way, on no more risers, next thing to move is raising the lights again (whata pain haha). I am not 100% sure, but I am thinking Beta is looking like a female. Its hard to tell because it like grows things that look like pistols to me, but are normal... but I saw weird things poking out today. (See pictures).

I watered all the flowering plants with nuted water today. Beta drained a lot and made a mess, I also topped off the bucket with miracle grow so the soils a lot higher, and less stem exposed. It was drooping BAD earlier, only 2 days after last water. 4 hours after the watering it had perked up quite a bit. Leafs still curly at the top though, but it seems to always look like that. Temperature reached bout 90 today. Humidity actually has been out of the LOW% range for once, getting to a max of 26%.

CFL Joe was tipped today, and then left out of the CFL setup on accident for about 5 hours. Its perked up since watering it earlier despite being in a dark-er area right outside the setup.

Pictures and Day
Flowering (CFLs)
Day 69 (Day 7 Flowering; started 2/19/2008 ) - as of 2/26/2008 - Beta
Day 57 (Day 7 Flowering; started 2/19/2008 ) - as of 2/26/2008 - Dieing Puffy
Day ~29 (Day 7 Flowering; started 2/19/2008 ) - as of 2/26/2008 - CFL Joe

Vegging (T12 Floros)
Day 57 - as of 2/26/2008 - Shawty, Triplists (2 of 3 dead)
Day 29 - as of 2/26/2008 - Everything else

all comments welcome and wanted


PS. I think I have been overnuting with the flowering nutes. It says 1 big scoop 1.5TBS for outdoor per gallon, and then has a second measurement .5tsp for indoor. I have been using half of the .5 tsp, hardly any, thats a quarter of a teaspoon. But I am assuming that is for a gallon too, I use a 20oz bottle, which is about 1/3 of a gallon... going with this math, I should be using like 1/6 a teaspoon, like 100 particles of nutes 0_o... I will start using less, and water with un nuted water next time. I have never had nute burns before so its not that bad...

 

[Brokenhope420]

Please comment on those pictures...

aight, its been quite a bit since I took those pictures, 17 hours about. Another dark cycle completed.

The Flowering Plants...
Checked up on them again just a bit ago, temps at 86, 2 degrees lower than normal when I check at this exact time everyday. So that is good... Humidity at 32%!, the highest it has ever been without using the humidifier, I think one of the reasons it was so low was underwatering, the room and soil was always so dry, and there was probably more moisture in the air than the soil, so by osmosis, the soil was absorbing the slight moisture out of the air.

Beta has perked up so much more since those pictures yesterday, and it has grown in height too, I would say 2 more days and I have to raise the lights. Dieing Puffy outgrew the lights overnight, and I lowered it a good 4 inches, although Dieing Puffy is a lil droopy, I am not 100% positive the soil has ever drained when I watered it. I may water it again today, maybe. Even the plant I tipped yesterday, CFL Joe, in the small peat pot that didn't geta full watering grew.

The Vegging
The main 4 all grew somewhat, all still looking just as healthy. Today is the day to water them all, they were a bit dry yesterday too but I ran out of water that sat out for a day, so I decided they could wait. They grew more in height, and I lowered 4 of the bigger ones, soon I will have to start raising those lights (which luckily raising a T-12 takes maybe 5 sec because its on a chain .). I have been trying to keep them very close to the lights, but the leafs have so much width, from one side of the plant to the other, theres no way I can turn the plants to get light on all the leafs and keep the lights within an inch... I may have to move em a bit further away so all the leafs are in light. I am expecting there to be another big growth after the watering today, so probably tomorrow I will have to get the light more than an inch away from the top.


Overall
Everything is looking excellent. Beta is starting to look half decent, and I think I see a pistol... I have never seen one before, but let me expain what I see, its very hard to see in the pictures above. The plant branches off, and where it braches off, in the middle another flower type thing grew. On each side where it branched off, was a thing sticking out, maybe 1/4 in in height (that looks normal on all the plants), but looking closer where those are, I see something extremely small, like the size of a hair, it doesn't look white, and I can't really tell what it is, but I am hoping it is a pistol. Today is day 8 flowering. I have my fingers crossed .

 

[Brokenhope420]

Spoke too soon, just watered my vegging plants, and then took a close look at Dieing Puffy, its looking male too me. I made a new thread with pictures, Dieing Puffy is on death row right now haha, in nearly complete dark...

https://www.rollitup.org/newbie-central/53457-pictures-asap-help-do-i.html#post584268

Edit

It is a male. . I just got done de leafing it, and eating random samples (Idk if other people do this, but I was curious to see what parts tasted like . I also licked down a few leafs that didn't get touched with nuted water.)... gave me a Slight to non existing buzz, might all be in my head hahaha.

One down, one real plant to go. Beta looks a lot different than Dieing Puffy did (the one I just killed haha), so I have hopes for it... I definitely see a hair, but it doesn't look a thing like pictures on the internet of pistols do, this is literally like a hair, clearly part of the plant, coming from the spot where a pistol would, but its only in a couple of spots, maybe just the one spot where I see that hair looking thing, its so freakn thin.

 

[Brokenhope420]

OH MY GOD!!!!!

I am 95%! sure Beta is a FEMALE!!! WWOOO HOOO I see pistols , very small but they are in several areas now .

Should I clone? Since now I am down to this one plant, that is more than likely female.

 

[Brokenhope420]

Pictures and Day Statistics
Flowering (CFLs)
Day 70 (Day 8 Flowering; started 2/19/2008 ) - as of 2/27/2008 - Beta
Day 58 (Day 8 Flowering; started 2/19/2008 ) - as of 2/27/2008 - Dieing Puffy (Male, and Killed Today)
Day 30 (Day 8 Flowering; started 2/19/2008 ) - as of 2/27/2008 - CFL Joe

Vegging (T12 Floros)
Day 58 - as of 2/27/2008 - Shawty, Triplists (2 of 3 dead)
Day 30 - as of 2/27/2008 - Everything else

Look at the close ups, I think Beta is a FEMALE . Either that or Hermie I have seen some ball things looking similar to what the male I killed had... Beta may have been pollinated though... there was a lot of balls and the plant did get shaken quite a bit when I removed it... and plus Beta was downwind from the male (the fan being the wind). The ball looking things may also be flowers forming between the stems, hard to tell...

Once again I lowered the vegging plants, theyre grown quick!

PS: https://www.rollitup.org/newbie-central/53457-pictures-asap-help-do-i.html Thread with pictures of Dieing Puffys nasty balls .

 

[smokingbot]

It's all good, your new plants look much better anyways. It's looking like that one could be a hermie.. Also I'm pretty sure your supposed to take clones before it's in flower?

 

[Brokenhope420]

Yeah, thats what I thought. I will clone my newer plants they will be much better.

If its hermie should I keep it? If I kill it my flowering setups completely shut off for a month...

The more I look at it though those things look like developing flowers, guess we will see.

I did mess a lot of things up in the start, and was warned about getting a hermie.

However, I am 99% sure that plant is Juicy Fruit (I have it written down somewhere), and I am out of Juicy Fruit bagseeds and will never have them again, so if it is hermie I could get more seeds right?

 

[badboybabyface]

yes youll have plenty seeds

 

[Rope Smoker]

I'm not shure but I think I read some where o here that Hermies produce hermie seeds. Sorry Keep on growing peace man

 

[Brokenhope420]

I am thinking its not hermie . The picture I posted of the hairs was good, but the supposed balls were not in focus, so you couldn't really tell what they were, especially since it was just 1 in each branches valley... they are growing into flowers, they weren't balls . Looks like this is a true female . Theres quite a few more hairs today, and on a lot more nodes. This is my first female ever .

CFL Joe got tipped second day in a row yesterday, I removed some of the CFLs because one plant was down, those lights were not needed, fucking CFL slipped outta my hand, smacked Joe over made a HUGE mess, and landed in Betas soil safely .

Temperatures were MUCH cooler today, 80 degrees I believe it said when I last checked, meaning it will get up to 82-84 degrees max.... MUCH better than the 95's I had daily.

The vegging plants are getting way too big! I had to lower some more of them today, and I just removed another plant from the setup, Triplists, it was about 2 months old, 2 already died, and the 1 that was left, had few leafs, very burnt. I know I could have saved it, but its been so stressed not even worth the room it takes up. I may kill another sprout under the T-12s too, leaving me with 5 of my biggest healthiest plants I have ever had, I think that is plenty. Plus I still have my foot tall female .