The Truth About Ron Paul

[deprave]

That's quite a technicality you found there. Once you make it legal, it ceases to be fraud. That's the only reason what you are saying is true.

When we deregulated the part of the market that dealt with these bundled mortgages, Wall St legally regulated it self and came to the conclusion that these bundled junk loans should be given an AAA rating which is only only reason people invested in them so heavily.

While technically that isn't fraud because it was not illegal, it was at best extremely misleading and almost caused another great depression.

Well congrats on being technically correct for whatever that is worth.

its worth collapsing your whole argument that we will have 50% unemployment if Ron paul is elected. a ridiculous argument, like I said, your whole argument is one big conspiracy theory.

 

[NoDrama]

did he or did he not say "Madam Speaker, today we are considering a bill aimed at modernizing the financial services industry through deregulation. It is a worthy goal which I support. "?

Seriously wtf.....

The goal is modernizing the financial services industry, the method is deregulation. Read carefully young padawan.

 

[Dan Kone]

You are stretching just as much as he is, wow. De-regulation is not doing away with anti fraud laws

fraud/frôd/Noun

1. Wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain.

So you don't think there was anything deceptive about bundling subprime mortgages, many that were very likely to fail and then selling them for a financial gain? Interesting point of view....

While that wasn't criminal, in every other way it fits the description of fraud.

 

[sync0s]

you are on the internet, aren't you?

thank the government, in part, for that.

you use electric? thank the government, in art, for that.

you drink safe water? thank the government, in part, for that.

no lead pipes or lead paint in your house? thank the government, in part, for that.

will your car keep you somewhat safer in an accident? thank the government, in part, for that.

ever enjoy the pristine, preserved beauty of yellowstone or glacier national park? if not, you should. guess who to thank for that.

is grandma eating cat food or not? can she afford her medications despite not being able to work anymore?

do businesses enjoy a pool of educated, worthy candidates to draw from? do they enjoy an infrastructure secured by police on which to conduct business?

for all the faults of government, i would rather endure their pedantic bullcockery than do without the basic services they provide as well as the basic equalities and fairness they occasionally tend to.

Electricity, hmm, private corporations further enticed by government monopolizing regulations
Safe water, you really want me to pull all of the articles about city water supplies being tainted? What if I used well water? Did you recently sneak into my house, that's creepy.
My grandma would do just great with out SS or medicaid.
Thank the government for the internet? Like it wouldn't exist without the government. Your fucking bonkers man
We have a civil court system for car accidents. I have a right to sue.

Only real benefits I get that you can argue are the benefits provided by the constitution, and those are absolutely in jeopardy lately

 

[sync0s]

So you don't think there was anything deceptive about bundling subprime mortgages, many that were very likely to fail and then selling them for a financial gain? Interesting point of view....

While that wasn't criminal, in every other way it fits the description of fraud.

Who said that?

 

[Dan Kone]

The goal is modernizing the financial services industry, the method is deregulation. Read carefully young padawan.

Yes, that is what he said. He was clearly advocating support for repealing Glass-Steagall. If you can't see that, it's only because you don't want to admit you're wrong.

 

[Dan Kone]

Who said that?

ok. If that's not what you were trying to say then maybe I misinterpreted your post. Where was I "stretching just as much as he is"?

 

[Dan Kone]

Saw that sync

 

[sync0s]

Once you make it legal, it ceases to be fraud.

You were implying deregulation makes fraud illegal.

edit:

lol yeah this forum is getting too long to follow, right?

 

[NoDrama]

Yes, that is what he said. He was clearly advocating support for repealing Glass-Steagall. If you can't see that, it's only because you don't want to admit you're wrong.

Right, don't take him for his word, instead infer some "other" meaning to his words. That argument won't hold water at all.

 

[sync0s]

lol. damn it. I keep replying to post that disappear.

All just a misunderstanding. Moving on...


wtf... I know I didn't click to quote this post of yours, I never even saw it... haha

 

[deprave]

Again, The Truth About Ron Paul - Ron Paul is not a terrorist who will destroy the American way of life as some believe.

 

[sync0s]

Again, The Truth About Ron Paul - Ron Paul is not a terrorist who will destroy the American way of life as some believe.

People need to stop with the whole terrorist blasphemy anyways. It's only lowering the intelligence of this nation and perpetuating bigotry.

 

[Dan Kone]

You were implying deregulation makes fraud illegal.

If I did so it was not my intent. Perhaps I either worded a post wrong or you misunderstood, but that is not at all what I meant to imply.

lol yeah this forum is getting too long to follow, right?

Agreed. It's been difficult to keep track of arguing similar things with/against 5-6 at once especially with it sprawled over several threads.

 

[deprave]

I have no problem if you dont support Ron Paul but its the conspiracy theories that make people say "open your eyes" etc....and also just piss me off, so this is why I made this thread, Theories that Ron Paul will somehow cause some sort of major catastrophe. Dan you have valid reasons for not liking Ron Paul as you did explain and they are perfectly fine. You presented a good argument but you got off track quite a bit into conspiracy theory territory, oddly enough the very thing you seem to despise? (conspiracy theorist and theories)

Really your just as Bad as the "Ron-Paul-A-Holics" that you dislike so much, your guilty of the same things that you complain of... Irony!

EDIT: I'm just surprised you haven't told me to "open my eyes" or "wake up" ...

 

[sync0s]

I have no problem if you dont support Ron Paul but its the conspiracy theories that make people say "open your eyes" etc....and also just piss me off, so this is why I made this thread, Theories that Ron Paul will somehow cause some sort of major catastrophe. Dan you have valid reasons for not liking Ron Paul as you did explain and they are perfectly fine. You presented a good argument but you got off track quite a bit into conspiracy theory territory.

Damn.. you started the thread? I had no idea... this has gone on wayyyy to long lol

 

[Dan Kone]

you got off track quite a bit into conspiracy theory territory, oddly enough the very thing you seem to despise? (conspiracy theorist and theories)

Really your just as Bad as the "Ron-Paul-A-Holics" that you dislike so much, your guilty of the same things that you complain of... Irony!

EDIT: I'm just surprised you haven't told me to "open my eyes" or "wake up" ...

I have no idea what you're talking about. What conspiracy theory?

 

[sync0s]

I have no idea what you're talking about. What conspiracy theory?

Right... I'm as confused as you are. Seems this debate has kind of slowed down... oh well at least it didn't end in a bunch of "Fuck Offs" like it did in the other thread... lol

 

[deprave]

well theres your theory that Ron Paul supports corporate takeover and fraud, there the neocons who say he will threaten our national security, theres MSNBC/HP who say hes a racist....Idk pick one, that's what this entire thread is about? The truth about Ron Paul.

 

[Dan Kone]

well theres your theory that Ron Paul supports corporate takeover and fraud

That's the result of free trade historically. You can add outsourcing to that as well. It's not a conspiracy, it's the effects of the policies he supports. When you have free trade, why would a company pay an American to do something that a 10 year old in East Asia will do for $1 a day?

When American laborors have to compete for jobs with 10 yr old asian kids, it lowers the demand for American middle class workers, lowering worker wages across the board while increasing profits for the ultra wealthy.

That's what free trade is. The freedom for the wealthy to make profits at the expense of the American middle class.

I'm not sure how you think listing the historical results of a policy he supports is a conspiracy theory. Who's conspiring?

You my friend need to listen to Ron Paul less and Noam Chomsky more.

there the neocons who say he will threaten our national security,

I don't believe Ron Paul threatens our national security. I believe he would make us more safe by not bombing as many muslims. My theory is people are less likely to fly airplanes into our buildings if we don't bomb their towns killing their families and meddle in their governments.

theres MSNBC/HP who say hes a racist....

There is a question of that, no proof either way. His news letter has said some racist things, some of them claim to be Ron Paul quotes. I know he's denied them and you believe him, but in the past before he started running for president, he's also admitted to them and attempted to justify them.

http://www.chron.com/CDA/archives/archive.mpl/1996_1343749/campaign-96-u-s-house-newsletter-excerpts-offer-am.html

Other things from that newsletter written at the same time do appear to be written by Ron Paul.

"Boy, it sure burns me to have a national holiday for that pro-communist philanderer Martin Luther King. I voted against this outrage time and time again as a Congressman. What an infamy that Ronald Reagan approved it! " - Ron Paul's newsletter.

While that technically isn't racist, that's not the point. The point is that at unless the person writing that newsletter was another congressmen who also voted against MLK day, Ron Paul was writing that newsletter. If you combined that with him not denying he wrote that newsletter and in fact defending what was written until he started running for president, it's very suspicious.

I don't think you can call that a conspiracy to believe it's possible that Ron Paul is a racist. It wouldn't be the first time a racist has denied he was a racist in order to run for president. David Duke even took a picture with a black kid to run for president. Hard to believe he isn't a racist.

You can say maybe all the facts aren't in. But the real conspiracy would be if Ron Paul is now telling the truth and had nothing to do with that newsletter when some of what is written is written as a congressmen in the first person and then the Houston Chronicle outright lied when they wrote an article quoting Ron Paul defending the racist comments.

Now that would be a conspiracy!