Food management.

[Charlie Ventura]

I was just thinking about food, not surprising, as I need to lose a few pounds.

I tend to eat portions that are too big and I have a craving for sugar. I need to be controlled. There are a lot of people like me. There are also those that cannot afford the best foods like T-bone steaks and such. Its not fair that some of us can afford really great food and others cannot. So, while thinking about food today, the thought came to me that food is a lot more important than health care. I mean, food is almost as important as having enough air to breath or water to drink. So, here's my proposal: Let's lobby government to provide food. I mean, central planning has worked so well in other countries when it comes to health care, and the Progressives are clamoring all the time for federally controlled health care, why not food? Hell, let them take over the farms, the wholesale middlemen, the super markets ...the whole damed thing. I mean, the food prices are rising at an alarming rate, probably due to those damed farmers, wholesalers and market owners raping the public with their obscene profits, right? Think of the social good turning food production and distribution over to the government would bring. Over eaters like myself could be reigned in. Giving ration stamps to folks like me would limit my consumption to a more reasonable and healthy level. By the same token, rationing would ensure that the less fortunate among us would get enough food to be healthy. The "healthy" part would be determined by government fiat. Hey, the good news is, everyone would be equal.

Is this a good idea, or a bad one?

 

[420God]

Food is so expensive because there's a high demand and short supply.

And blame ethanol, it's driving up the price of corn.

 

[Robert Paulson]

Wonder why junk food is cheap? because very few people run all of the farms in our nation and they can afford to lobby to wash dc to subsidize corn, thats why corn is in 90% of everything in the store. you won't win washington. the best thing you can do is support your local farmer and only shop from them. organic food that is shipped across the country is not organic, it is dripping in oil.

you're idea is not even close to being a new one. if you are really interested in the subject you need to watch Food Inc. and read the book The Omnivore's Dilema: the natural history of four meals.

It will give you a whole new perspective on life.

Wanna know how fucked up a food situation can be? watch this Life and Debt. its a movie about whats going on in Jamaica. basically after they broke off from England the developed world stuck there dick in them and now jamaica is fucked.

and remember before you express too much of an opinion about something you do not know about.... "Education is the progressive discovery of your own ignorance"

 

[420God]

Hell, let them take over the farms, the wholesale middlemen, the super markets ...the whole damed thing.

This is one of the dumbest things I've ever read by the way.

 

[Robert Paulson]

Food is so expensive because there's a high demand and short supply.

And blame ethanol, it's driving up the price of corn.

wrong. supply and demand economics do not fit the food industry. the supply for is elastic while the demand is inelastic. therefore it does not follow the cyclical nature of other economies. ethanol is an easy scape goat but the real problem is the policies that are in place. you as a taxpayer area constantly paying for corn either at the grocery store or in taxes because we subsidize the fuck out of corn.

 

[420God]

wrong. supply and demand economics do not fit the food industry. the supply for is elastic while the demand is inelastic. therefore it does not follow the cyclical nature of other economies.

So when there's a bad season is doesn't affect the prices?

 

[Robert Paulson]

It depends . there is a reserve price the gov't has where they will pay the difference to the farmers if the price per bushel falls beneath it. something like $1.75 when the normal price per bushel would be around $2.20. so either way you will pay for it, in taxes or at the grocery store. so prices may not go up but you still paid for it. sad thing is it doesn't work the other way around, if we have a super yielding seasson, prices don't come down because the demand for corn does not change and the corn ends up rotting at the train depot. demand only increases something like 2% a year. we over produce corn so much, because of the heavy subsidies, that we now send it to mexico. now the corporate conglomerates that run our food industry are putting farmers out of work there as well.

 

[420God]

Too many useless eaters in the world today.

~~~> http://www.activistpost.com/2011/01/7-reasons-food-shortages-will-become.html

 

[mame]

Just chiming in because one of your premises is wrong and it kind of ruins your argument...

We do not have socialized medicine and you could barely argue we have a truly socialized health insurance system either. In fact, we have the most conservative form of universal coverage among advanced nations because private companies still run the whole thing (remember? no public option). The government just set some new rules and set up an individual mandate. They're also subsidizing the poor so that the individual mandate is successful. Pretty simple.

If you believe we should have universal coverage, you have nothing to complain about. Otherwise, you're a minority (most Americans favor universal coverage).

 

[UncleBuck]

...There are also those that cannot afford the best foods like T-bone steaks and such. Its not fair that some of us can afford really great food and others cannot.

ever hear of food stamps? food banks?

we feed our hungry.

 

[Charlie Ventura]

ever hear of food stamps? food banks?

we feed our hungry.

Of course I've heard of food stamps and food banks. Hell, I've even heard of school breakfasts and lunches too. Its not enough. Food stamps, food banks and school cafeteria food still leave the rich with far more and better food than the poor have ... and damn it, that's just not fair. My proposal would take the excess away from the evil rich and redistribute all foodstuffs equally. What's the government for if not to equalize wealth? Hey, if redistribution is fine for money and health care, why not food?

Have you ever been to a banquet at a high-end country club UncleBuck? Its just damned disgusting with over stuffed rich people chowing down on lobster and fillet mignon. And speaking of that, they are usually guzzling high-end bourbons, scotches and tequilas as well. Perhaps we should have all spirit consumption equalized too. After all, those poor people must get awfully tired of Big Macs, Colt 45 and Popov. What say you, UncleBuck?

 

[canuckgrow]

use a smaller plate......works for me I've lost about 20 lbs in 6 mths. Just gradually eating less,,,cut out snacks and getting more excercise......The food system is fubarred....Grocery stores are full of foods that will kill you overtime chocked full of MT calaries and preservatives, additives,artificial flavorings......Might be the single biggest cause in the increasing Cancer rates we have no idea.....GMFoods,,,Factory Farms.....

 

[secretweapon]

Raise and slaughter your own cow?

It should feed you for quite awhile.

 

[Robert Paulson]

Raise and slaughter your own cow?

It should feed you for quite awhile.

I live alone and between (ussually/hopefully) getting a deer and an elk, a half a beef will last me the whole year. it only costs 200-300 dollars too. they i have a garden as well so i don't need to shop much.

 

[redivider]

you don't need to redistribute the food.

get the money back into the hands of the people and the good food will find its way.

 

[mame]

I live alone and between (ussually/hopefully) getting a deer and an elk, a half a beef will last me the whole year. it only costs 200-300 dollars too. they i have a garden as well so i don't need to shop much.

I remember one summer my family bought a pig and half a cow... had to buy a whole new freezer lol!

Needless to say, great idea... But I'll never enjoy pork chops again.

 

[NoDrama]

I would have thought most of you would have jumped at the chance to have your God (The State) gain more influence over others lives. Redivider actually said something interesting and quite poignant. Get the money(Jobs) to the people and the food will find a way. Sounds like good free market thinking there, glad to know you are on board with personal liberty when it comes to eating.


Charlie played most of you.

 

[undertheice]

at heart, most of us know that we cannot trust to the good intentions of our government. an argument that can be made to allow government to feed us can also be made to clothe us, house us and monitor our daily lives in myriad ways. even the most rabidly naive statist balks at such infringements on personal liberty. some may propose that it is government's duty to feed and house the poor or even to confiscate excess wealth, but few would be willing to leave the details of our lives up to some council of bureaucrats. our belief in the illusions of democracy goes only so far.