Another reason to pass Horticulture only for the People of california in 2012

[Ernst]

All up and down the state each jurisdiction if crafting regulations that serve them and not the liberty of those allowed to use, breed and share in non-commercial ways.
we must stand firm and legalize Horticulture rights for every California citizen in 2012 or we will have a patch work of laws that when you set over a imaginary line somewhere you can hop back and forth between legal garden and illegal garden.
We need one set of regulations for all of California not 600.

RED BLUFF — Two draft laws, one that would ban medical marijuana dispensaries and another that would strictly regulate them, are on their way to the Tehama County Planning Commission.
And if the regulatory version ultimately passes in its current form, the county would be breaking new ground by requiring that a licensed medical professional dispense the cannabis.
"We definitely would be the first as far as I can tell," Assistant County Counsel Arthur Wylene said. "That doesn't make it right or wrong. We just would be on the leading edge."
In its fourth study session since November 2009, the Board of Supervisors on Tuesday voted 4-0 to send the two documents to the commission, which will hold a public hearing to consider them. Supervisor Ron Warner was absent.
They're trying to get something on the books before a moratorium expires in September.
While he said he hadn't decided how he'd vote when the issue ultimately returns to the board, Supervisor George Russell reiterated his objection to the medical-professional rule.
"In its current form the ordinance would be meaningless," Russell said. Marijuana remains illegal under federal law, and in California physicians recommend but don't prescribe cannabis for patients.
But Supervisor Bob Williams, who pushed for the requirement, said he was doing so to "provide groundwork for future boards" should federal law ever change. "If it's medicine, we should treat it as medicine," Williams said.
Like Russell, he also said he'd yet to decide what his final vote would be.
In the draft rules, only one permit would be issued for each 30,000 people in the unincorporated area of the county, which with the current population would effectively limit total permits to one.
Both proposals define a dispensary as 10 or more people who provide or receive medical cannabis, covering both storefronts and mobile retail outlets. Dispensaries would be confined to designated land within industrial zones.
Before the vote, the board heard from three audience members, including Kathy Nelson.
"I'm actually practically begging you guys not to open dispensaries," Nelson said. But Robert Alejandre, who said he was speaking on behalf of veterans, supported the idea of including medical professionals in any dispensary law as well as "tight security."
John Stoufer, acting county planning director, said after the meeting he would get the drafts on the Planning Commission agenda as soon as possible. Providing he can meet public noticing requirements, that could be May 19.
Supervisors are hoping to adopt a dispensary ordinance by early August.

These guys want to issue just One Garden permit for 30,000 people if they ever allow Medical Gardens at all..

It's not that we are being set back it's that we have no effective cannabis leadership in this state.
With one group demanding we take on the Federal laws against on cannabis commerce and other out to kill whatever cannabis anything they can like some zombie needing to eat people.

When will we be free to plant some cannabis with our carrots and tomatoes?

Vote against Commerce and Crazies in 2012! Let the people go first!

 

[Dan Kone]

stfu ernest

 

[Ernst]

There is no reason for you to bother. Take the Sport fucking to another thread Dan Kone.

This is a courtesy of a reply. Nothing more.

 

[Serapis]

It is posts such as yours that really encourage me to apply to help moderate these forums, even though I suspect the chore would be dreadful. If you cannot find something nice to say to other members, or something to say in a nice way, please feel free to find another corner of the internet to play in. Your response is not needed....

stfu ernest

 

[DelSlow]

stfu ernest

Lol easy killa.

 

[redivider]

another personal holticulture thread.... *yawn

get over it.

25 billion dollars in industry isn't 'personal holticulture'.

it's a market that needs to get tapped completely. the growers only want 'medical'. that's what you get.

how long do you really think it's going to be before the very dangerous drug cartels in mexico get their hands on some good genetics and start funneling that money their way??? the US should be proud of the quality of herb that grows here, californians should've showcased what a REAL LEGAL WORLD-CLASS marijuana industry looked like....

you had your chance and blew it. stop crying.

 

[doc111]

It is posts such as yours that really encourage me to apply to help moderate these forums, even though I suspect the chore would be dreadful. If you cannot find something nice to say to other members, or something to say in a nice way, please feel free to find another corner of the internet to play in. Your response is not needed....

I understand they already filled the moderator position/s with 2 brand new members. The site owner gave them each a high post count and a bunch of rep. You couldn't pay me enough to moderate this or any forum.

 

[Serapis]

LOL, I know exactly what you mean, because we have sooo many members that seem to need constant reminding of the rules, and it seems it is always the same ones.... I ran across one of the new mods already and was not impressed. Joined Mar 2011 with 1700 posts and more rep than me.... uh, yeah.... ok

I understand they already filled the moderator position/s with 2 brand new members. The site owner gave them each a high post count and a bunch of rep. You couldn't pay me enough to moderate this or any forum.

 

[Serapis]

So you think the new initiative is wrong? Many voted against the last one believing the wording infringed on their already legal gardens. I believe that given another chance, and a tightly worded initiative, it very well could pass. Until this community comes together in a voice of one however; I don't see it happening.

another personal holticulture thread.... *yawn

get over it.

25 billion dollars in industry isn't 'personal holticulture'.

it's a market that needs to get tapped completely. the growers only want 'medical'. that's what you get.

how long do you really think it's going to be before the very dangerous drug cartels in mexico get their hands on some good genetics and start funneling that money their way??? the US should be proud of the quality of herb that grows here, californians should've showcased what a REAL LEGAL WORLD-CLASS marijuana industry looked like....

you had your chance and blew it. stop crying.

 

[doc111]

LOL, I know exactly what you mean, because we have sooo many members that seem to need constant reminding of the rules, and it seems it is always the same ones.... I ran across one of the new mods already and was not impressed. Joined Mar 2011 with 1700 posts and more rep than me.... uh, yeah.... ok

If you go and look at either of their posts, they each only have about 10 posts. They were asked about the high rep and high post counts and they both said something to the effect of the high rep is so they can hand out rep to other members and the high post counts??????? I'm assuming they are in order to make them look like they know what they are talking about. Remember, high rep and high post count MUST mean the person grows the best weed on the planet right? lmfao!!!!!!! Ya gotta love it!

 

[redivider]

i think we should stop the screwing around and get pot legalized in a way that establishes what the rules are in order to be eligible to play.

personal holticulture is a joke b/c most of us buy our weed. we do not have the time, space, money, or maybe just don't want to run the risk.... not all of us hide behind this 'i'm a medical cannabis user' guise. it's still illegal at a federal lever anyhow.

every single initiative to legalize will be written allowing the already established medical statutes to remain in place and in effect. so medical patients, like Ernst, will not be affected.

yet this fool is talking about personal holticulture rights, as if he didn't already enjoy the ability to legally grow weed.

it bothers me and I call it like I see it.

 

[doc111]

i think we should stop the screwing around and get pot legalized in a way that establishes what the rules are in order to be eligible to play.

personal holticulture is a joke b/c most of us buy our weed. we do not have the time, space, money, or maybe just don't want to run the risk.... not all of us hide behind this 'i'm a medical cannabis user' guise. it's still illegal at a federal lever anyhow.

every single initiative to legalize will be written allowing the already established medical statutes to remain in place and in effect. so medical patients, like Ernst, will not be affected.

yet this fool is talking about personal holticulture rights, as if he didn't already enjoy the ability to legally grow weed.

it bothers me and I call it like I see it.

Well I, for one, am glad Dan Kone and I aren't the only ones to see through this bullshit. I just don't fully understand his angle yet. I have my theories but they really don't make a lot of sense, especially if he is a 215 patient.

 

[DelSlow]

Well I, for one, am glad Dan Kone and I aren't the only ones to see through this bullshit. I just don't fully understand his angle yet. I have my theories but they really don't make a lot of sense, especially if he is a 215 patient.

Come on doc, you're a smart guy. Everybody likes tax-free money

 

[Serapis]

I would think if Ernst was a 215 patient, that his working for legality for all would be welcome and appreciated by others in this community..... wow, I guess we are a community divided, taking pot shots at one another when we can.... it's truly sad.....

 

[doc111]

Come on doc, you're a smart guy. Everybody likes tax-free money

I don't see how he gets around taxes though, simply by calling it "horticulture" and not "commerce". I can call a horse a goat but that doesn't change anything.

 

[doc111]

I would think if Ernst was a 215 patient, that his working for legality for all would be welcome and appreciated by others in this community..... wow, I guess we are a community divided, taking pot shots at one another when we can.... it's truly sad.....

Anyone who has questioned Ernst about his "initiative" has been met with insults and personal attacks. He's not very well liked by most of the regulars here in politics. I'm all for legalization and for any initiative that gets it done but people have a lot of questions about his pie in the sky proposal and he cannot answer a single one, except to call people stupid or whatever. He's not the nice guy you think he his.

 

[Serapis]

Well that is a shame, because I read a lot of his posts and have only noticed that style of attack when someone attacks him first. Most of his stuff is cut and paste, but he is trying to organize the community. I think he means well....

 

[redivider]

the differences are mostly philosophical.

the biggest problem is that 'personal' holticulture rights do not do anything for the illegal flow of marijuana on the market. the illegal status of this flow of materials is an issue, personal holticulture assumes that by legalizing the origin of pot, literally a garden, will just make this flow of materials irrelevant and that just isn't the case.

during this flow there are multiple vehicles, persons, and huge amounts of money involved.

this personal holticulture angle will leave this flow in a legal wormhole that might in fact make it harder for outright legalization and the establishment of a legal market in the long run.....

 

[DelSlow]

I don't see how he gets around taxes though, simply by calling it "horticulture" and not "commerce". I can call a horse a goat but that doesn't change anything.

His vision for a prop will be to legalize weed. Period. But no business ie. "commerce" language would be in the proposition. That's what he means by no "commerce". The problem with that is what will the rules be for the now legal canna-business? What taxes will they pay, licenses, etc.

Look, I have no problem with ernsts ideas. I like the thought of unlimited growing, no limits shit. But will people vote for that? Non weed smokers? Squares? Uninformed dolts?

 

[Serapis]

Our uniform goal should be to get cannabis taken off of the Schedule One drug list, period. The government falsely claims that cannabis has no medicinal value, yet a growing number of health and medical professionals feel otherwise. Also, the Department of Health and Human Services currently holds a patent on medical marijuana. My question to them is, if it has no medicinal value, why hold the patent on it? Getting the drug removed from schedule one would be a huge win win for our community and the generations that follow us.