colocowboy
Well-Known Member
If you are claiming that the birther movement is actual healthy skepticism being demonized, I would argue that it is frivolous and demonstrably a waste of mental energy.
Reality check, if you would like to debate me raise a legitimate point! Don't just skirt the issue that your raising then call me a wagon jumper, I am very familiar with the issues at hand and intelligent enough to bring the truth to bear with out citing unrelated articles and opinions of others. So in response to your claim of proper questioning of the government, Obama's birthplace (his mom is American which is birthright naturalization too btw), is not a question about the government except that your inferring by stating such that the federal government would less scrutinize a presidential candidate than a drivers license or bank account applicant? Most reasonable people wouldn't assume conspiracy because he didn't post it on his campaign signs. Now the grades issue, how funny is that anyhow? If you ask me W's history was far more suspect as his problem records even had "dirty fingerprints" that no one dared question out of respect for the reputations of those involved. I personally don't need to see his transcripts to evaluate his intellectual merit, when I was in college I saw plenty of people that pulled off straight As that were no more intelligent than W and no more capable of forming an intelligent argument than those supposedly posing one here. Even funnier, those that could regurgitate their reading for tests to ace their classes were no more capable of applying the knowledge they were supposedly learning than the ones with Cs after the class was over. I don't put much credence on transcripts for exactly that reason, I have been in management for 15+ years and do hiring and firing so I have spent time contemplating this issue which is obviously where I derived my outlook on the topic!
That said, it was stated that president Obama has misfired on many campaign promises which is entirely true. As well he has continued and in some cases extended some very unpopular Bush administration policies which is also in my opinion a fallible quality. I do understand however that these situations have a lot more "gray area" than we can be aware of but it seems suspect to me that for the last 30+ years we have had predominately republican majority in government and these "free market" and "bible thumping" ideals have been ramrodded and not contested while both sides have shown unprecedented withholding to corporate lobby. When policy always shifts away from the benefit of the masses despite party influence it is pretty obvious that some sort of shell game is going on. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out who the players are and who has the most to loose/gain. It is so obvious that even the simpletons are sure something is afoot, even if their very limited knowledge and understanding prevents them from seeing the forest for the trees.
Reality check, if you would like to debate me raise a legitimate point! Don't just skirt the issue that your raising then call me a wagon jumper, I am very familiar with the issues at hand and intelligent enough to bring the truth to bear with out citing unrelated articles and opinions of others. So in response to your claim of proper questioning of the government, Obama's birthplace (his mom is American which is birthright naturalization too btw), is not a question about the government except that your inferring by stating such that the federal government would less scrutinize a presidential candidate than a drivers license or bank account applicant? Most reasonable people wouldn't assume conspiracy because he didn't post it on his campaign signs. Now the grades issue, how funny is that anyhow? If you ask me W's history was far more suspect as his problem records even had "dirty fingerprints" that no one dared question out of respect for the reputations of those involved. I personally don't need to see his transcripts to evaluate his intellectual merit, when I was in college I saw plenty of people that pulled off straight As that were no more intelligent than W and no more capable of forming an intelligent argument than those supposedly posing one here. Even funnier, those that could regurgitate their reading for tests to ace their classes were no more capable of applying the knowledge they were supposedly learning than the ones with Cs after the class was over. I don't put much credence on transcripts for exactly that reason, I have been in management for 15+ years and do hiring and firing so I have spent time contemplating this issue which is obviously where I derived my outlook on the topic!
That said, it was stated that president Obama has misfired on many campaign promises which is entirely true. As well he has continued and in some cases extended some very unpopular Bush administration policies which is also in my opinion a fallible quality. I do understand however that these situations have a lot more "gray area" than we can be aware of but it seems suspect to me that for the last 30+ years we have had predominately republican majority in government and these "free market" and "bible thumping" ideals have been ramrodded and not contested while both sides have shown unprecedented withholding to corporate lobby. When policy always shifts away from the benefit of the masses despite party influence it is pretty obvious that some sort of shell game is going on. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out who the players are and who has the most to loose/gain. It is so obvious that even the simpletons are sure something is afoot, even if their very limited knowledge and understanding prevents them from seeing the forest for the trees.
