Who Believes In God?

[email468]

Yes, people were literally forced to believe... and when they didn't they were killed.

People are still forced to believe today, it's on the tv and it's in our schools. I for one will not tolerate my children being taught about a god as though it is real. My children will be raised to know the truth, and their eyes shall not be clouded by the bullshit in the world.

Which, in my opinion, is why it is supremely important for non-believers to not make the same mistake attempting to force any kind of belief system - including non-belief on anyone else.

in my eyes, that would make us worse than believers since believers at least have the excuse that they are told by god to evangelize. We have no such luxury.

 

[natmoon]

Hey guys whilst it is obvious that God does not fly on a cloud with a trumpet burning people for disagreeing with him and that in ancient times people were forced to believe in a said religion under penalty of death and maiming this does not mean that we as higher beings cannot simply accept the fact that there may well be a spirit world.

All of the above said shitty things were supposedly done or said by god were actually done and devised by evil men as a system of control.

Jesus never said any of it and nor did god only men did it and said it.
I also agree with skunky that there are many children of god,always have been and always will be
Jesus is just the main character that is mentioned in the bible.

I think that there are many reasons to believe in a higher order but none of them are about control,pain or suffering those are once again man made elements and god said none of them.

I do not profess to know what god said and i also cannot state 100% that he does exist,i can however say that i feel that god probably has a very good sense of humour and that maybe he simply waits for us to be evolved enough in a spiritual sense before he can talk to us.

I do not advocate any religion that harms or forces any of its followers into anything and i simply chose to believe in Jesus and the fact there possibly is a god and that he can do nothing to really help us and that we must help ourselves

 

[nomad]

can someone tell me why we get people either on streets preaching about god or jesus or calling door to door trying to convert people to religion but you do not get people doing this to try and get you not to believe?why is this?
is it that the believers want as many disciples as it were so they can take over the world and brainwash people?
or is it only a minority of believers that do this sort of harrassment?

I STILL AINT GONNA BELIEVE NO MATTER WHAT.

 

[PoseidonsNet]

I think that there are many reasons to believe in a higher order but none of them are about control,pain or suffering those are once again man made elements and god said none of them.

Can we have pleasure without pain? Surely that is as illogical as up without down?

The preachers that annoy people have recently repented and are new to living with God. They are beginners ... humour them. I always blow them away with this :
"God created all, therefore God created the Devil"

Can we have good without evil? Surely that is as illogical as forward without backward?

 

[fatass03]

I'm not about to read through this whole post to see if this has been posted. But, I love this video!

YouTube - Keep your jesus off my penis

 

[iblazethatkush]

Can a mod just delete this thread or something. People are turning into assholes and I don't want arguments breaking out. Thanks.

 

[email468]

can someone tell me why we get people either on streets preaching about god or jesus or calling door to door trying to convert people to religion but you do not get people doing this to try and get you not to believe?why is this?
is it that the believers want as many disciples as it were so they can take over the world and brainwash people?
or is it only a minority of believers that do this sort of harrassment?

I STILL AINT GONNA BELIEVE NO MATTER WHAT.

I think they do it for a few reasons - some good - some less so - many "street" preachers are also homeless and have mental problems. The ones going to door-to-door are kind of "forced" to do that by their religion - it is part of the requirements to join the church. Many do it because their interpretation of "witnessing the gospel" includes preaching the word to others.

But a lot of people who believe really have gone through a life-changing event and usually for the better. Sometimes they were criminals of one sort or another, terribly unhappy or just empty and they found Jesus (or some other religious figure) and their life really turned around. They made a lot of new friends that care about them and it makes the tough times a lot easier to lean on Jesus so they want to share that joy, happiness and fulfillment with you. They see and know the positive changes that they experienced and i think out of kindness want everyone to know this kind of completeness.

Keep in mind this is coming from an atheist who would, when in a bad mood, eradicate religion if he could.

And while I appreciate your commitment to disbelief, again as an atheist, I will say straight out there are quite a few things that would make me believe. A real honest-to-god miracle for example - or even something more subtle. I don't know if you've read the book Contact (the movie doesn't do it justice) but the part where they are solving PI out to some incredible amount of digits, when placed in geometric shape the digits spelled out a code that couldn't have come from chance (or something like that - now I'm not doing it justice) the point being - it was god's signature - or according to Sagan - the signature of the prime cause or something like that - keep in mind Sagan was an atheist also. That would be another bit of evidence that would sway my belief towards the "higher power" side of things.

my two cents anyway...

 

[ace1059]

i beleve in God!! and im not gona start sum argument or state my theory

 

[KrazyAnneBanks]

god is just a kid with an antfarm

 

[mountainSpliff]

Woohoo!! Busy curing some sample bud...

 

[skunkushybrid]

Which, in my opinion, is why it is supremely important for non-believers to not make the same mistake attempting to force any kind of belief system - including non-belief on anyone else.

in my eyes, that would make us worse than believers since believers at least have the excuse that they are told by god to evangelize. We have no such luxury.

No, I can't agree. I'm not forcing anything on anybody, I'm enforcing a realisation.

In my eyes there is so much wrong with belief in magical beings. Half the people that say they believe can offer no reasons for their beliefs... yet they would laugh at you if you told them santa is a real magical guy thay drops down chimneys.

This bullshit starts at school, where our kids are forced to sing religous songs in assemblies, and taught about this god as though it is a fact. Not only that, but in my country we have mosques everywhere, synagogues and every other religion catered for... so much choice, when for any sane human being there should be no choice at all.

There is only one truth, and we all know what that is... for some of us we may need the comfort of belief in a god or magical spirit, but deep down this is all it will ever be, a belief. Denying the truth is a complete waste of energy, and becomes a fake reality.

Come on guys, we're in the 21st Century... it's about time we all just faced up to who and what we really are.

 

[iblazethatkush]

No, I can't agree. I'm not forcing anything on anybody, I'm enforcing a realisation.

In my eyes there is so much wrong with belief in magical beings. Half the people that say they believe can offer no reasons for their beliefs... yet they would laugh at you if you told them santa is a real magical guy thay drops down chimneys.

This bullshit starts at school, where our kids are forced to sing religous songs in assemblies, and taught about this god as though it is a fact. Not only that, but in my country we have mosques everywhere, synagogues and every other religion catered for... so much choice, when for any sane human being there should be no choice at all.

There is only one truth, and we all know what that is... for some of us we may need the comfort of belief in a god or magical spirit, but deep down this is all it will ever be, a belief. Denying the truth is a complete waste of energy, and becomes a fake reality.

Come on guys, we're in the 21st Century... it's about time we all just faced up to who and what we really are.

Fuck you. It's not a realazation. It's your opion and you know what they say about opinions. You know me Skunk, I mean no offense by the previous comment. This is just how I feel.

Which, in my opinion, is why it is supremely important for non-believers to not make the same mistake attempting to force any kind of belief system - including non-belief on anyone else.

in my eyes, that would make us worse than believers since believers at least have the excuse that they are told by god to evangelize. We have no such luxury.

Thank you for keeping it civil in your arguments email. Even though you disagree.

Can a mod just delete this thread or something. People are turning into assholes and I don't want arguments breaking out. Thanks.

End of thread please. I love you all and may you all find Jesus one day the same way I did

 

[iblazethatkush]

End of thread please. I love you all and may you all find Jesus one day the same way I did[/quote]

Or you can just start an atheist thread if you wish. This thread isn't turning out the way I intended. Stoners aren't a very religious bunch I guess

 

[voodoo child]

I don't believe in God, I'm not of the weak minded majority!

 

[mountainSpliff]

End of thread please. I love you all and may you all find Jesus one day the same way I did

Or you can just start an atheist thread if you wish. This thread isn't turning out the way I intended. Stoners aren't a very religious bunch I guess[/quote]


Atheist's generally jump at an opportunity to poke fun at religious people, and seeing how this is an anonymous way to do it, it aint going to stop.

Stay cool pal.

 

[nomad]

I think they do it for a few reasons - some good - some less so - many "street" preachers are also homeless and have mental problems. The ones going to door-to-door are kind of "forced" to do that by their religion - it is part of the requirements to join the church. Many do it because their interpretation of "witnessing the gospel" includes preaching the word to others.

But a lot of people who believe really have gone through a life-changing event and usually for the better. Sometimes they were criminals of one sort or another, terribly unhappy or just empty and they found Jesus (or some other religious figure) and their life really turned around. They made a lot of new friends that care about them and it makes the tough times a lot easier to lean on Jesus so they want to share that joy, happiness and fulfillment with you. They see and know the positive changes that they experienced and i think out of kindness want everyone to know this kind of completeness.

Keep in mind this is coming from an atheist who would, when in a bad mood, eradicate religion if he could.

And while I appreciate your commitment to disbelief, again as an atheist, I will say straight out there are quite a few things that would make me believe. A real honest-to-god miracle for example - or even something more subtle. I don't know if you've read the book Contact (the movie doesn't do it justice) but the part where they are solving PI out to some incredible amount of digits, when placed in geometric shape the digits spelled out a code that couldn't have come from chance (or something like that - now I'm not doing it justice) the point being - it was god's signature - or according to Sagan - the signature of the prime cause or something like that - keep in mind Sagan was an atheist also. That would be another bit of evidence that would sway my belief towards the "higher power" side of things.

my two cents anyway...

HEY I UNDERSTAND WERE YOU COMIN FROM BUT IF YOU BELIEVE YOU ARE AN ATHIEST THEN YOU MUST BELIEVE THERE IS SOMETHING ELSE.......LIKE A GOD

I AM JUST A PERSON I DO NOT PUT A NAME TO MYSELF I DO NOT BELIEVE IN GOD OR THE DEVIL
I JUS GO ABOUT MY THING HOPEFULLY NOT HASSELING ANYONE ABOUT ANYTHING UNLESS THEY HASSEL ME
I DO BELIEVE EVERYONE HAS A RIGHT TO THERE OWN BELIEFS AN OPINIONS

 

[email468]

No, I can't agree. I'm not forcing anything on anybody, I'm enforcing a realisation.

In my eyes there is so much wrong with belief in magical beings. Half the people that say they believe can offer no reasons for their beliefs... yet they would laugh at you if you told them santa is a real magical guy thay drops down chimneys.

This bullshit starts at school, where our kids are forced to sing religous songs in assemblies, and taught about this god as though it is a fact. Not only that, but in my country we have mosques everywhere, synagogues and every other religion catered for... so much choice, when for any sane human being there should be no choice at all.

There is only one truth, and we all know what that is... for some of us we may need the comfort of belief in a god or magical spirit, but deep down this is all it will ever be, a belief. Denying the truth is a complete waste of energy, and becomes a fake reality.

Come on guys, we're in the 21st Century... it's about time we all just faced up to who and what we really are.

I think we are on the same page. There is a "but" or "however" that I left off that post. But to clarify my position, I will state the "but" now...

While I believe no one has the right to impose beliefs on others, I also think we need to make public policy (laws, regulations, rules, etc...) based on evidence and not what we "think" or "believe" but what we can prove.

that way, we are free to believe what we want but are insulated from having to deal with anyones loony ideas becoming law.

 

[email468]

HEY I UNDERSTAND WERE YOU COMIN FROM BUT IF YOU BELIEVE YOU ARE AN ATHIEST THEN YOU MUST BELIEVE THERE IS SOMETHING ELSE.......LIKE A GOD

I AM JUST A PERSON I DO NOT PUT A NAME TO MYSELF I DO NOT BELIEVE IN GOD OR THE DEVIL
I JUS GO ABOUT MY THING HOPEFULLY NOT HASSELING ANYONE ABOUT ANYTHING UNLESS THEY HASSEL ME
I DO BELIEVE EVERYONE HAS A RIGHT TO THERE OWN BELIEFS AN OPINIONS

Everyone does have the right to their opinions and beliefs. However, if you aren't able to offer any credible evidence for your opinions and/or beliefs then everyone else has the right to not take you seriously.

and the idea that you have to believe in one thing in order not to believe in it makes no sense to me at all.

And if the folks who did believe did not blow themselves up killing a bunch of other people or attempt to shove their twisted morality down my throat by making religious-orientated legislation or attempt to replace the teaching of real science in the classroom with fairy tales, i would have no beef. But that isn't the case and us non-believers aren't handling unprovable beliefs that fuck with everybody with kid-gloves anymore.

so the gloves are off god - let's see what ya got

 

[email468]

Or you can just start an atheist thread if you wish. This thread isn't turning out the way I intended. Stoners aren't a very religious bunch I guess

Atheist's generally jump at an opportunity to poke fun at religious people, and seeing how this is an anonymous way to do it, it aint going to stop.

Stay cool pal. [/QUOTE]

i came to be an atheist from a very religious background. And while it is tempting to poke fun, attacking the person is a sure way to lose an argument.

And while I prefer to maintain my anonymity on a weed-growing site, I am not meek regarding these opinions in face-to-face scenarios as well. In fact, I prefer face-to-face - my fingers hurt less.

 

[ace1059]

john T. Scopes arrested for teaching evolution in May 5, 1925, at the end of the trial he said that it would be ridiculous to teach one theory to students, the irony is now in america creationism is not taught or spoken about, one theory, evolution. im not saying evolution dosnt happen because that is incorrect evolution does happen but in my opinion so did creation.