Why Is The Bible So Revered As The "Word of GOD"?

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budlover13

King Tut
Pontius Pilot was keyholed as a scapegoat according to history. THEY wanted to not be seen as his persecutors, but as symapathisers. According to the church.

HISTORY, however, tells a different story. The Romans killed Jesus as a political move. The Jews had nothing to do with it.
 

BrotherBuz

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I could show you Scripture to the contrary, but the point is that people did not like him even though he was admired.
 

ChubbySoap

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Pilot was a worn out, tired old man forced to choose between giving up an odd, relatively harmless, trouble making healer, or having Roman legions permanently swarm over his city....
I assure you he did not enjoy a comfortable nights sleep after that...


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given the two evils.....what would you have chosen?
 

canada

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I have had alot of friends say that religion is causing all these problems in the middle east!!! Is there anyone on here that would agree that man causes war not religion.
 

ChubbySoap

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right...plus the dude he gave up just respawned after some lag....and all souls were then savable due to some glitch...
win win.....i guess...


how it was the Jews fault is beyond me though...but if you want to blame them, it really doesn't seem so bad given the context.
it really WAS the best move...


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i remain in the boat that religion is the main cause of human warring...war is a natural state if you watch the animals....but we have no excuse...we can choose.

man created religion since our small mammal ancestors had a great need for imagination....and finding patterns in otherwise random events
being tiny and easily edible, it was important we didn't just assume that noise we just heard was just the wind....
the one's who imagined a predator made the noise obviously did better...it's a survival trait.
 

budlover13

King Tut
I don't blame the Jews entirely. But DO believe that they had a hand in it. Jesus was destined to die either way. I mean he WAS going throughout the land and teaching morals/values/lessons on life and healing. All in direct opposition to not only the Romans, but to the Jewish religious leaders. Heck, he even got righteously angry and upturned the tables in the temple. I think he had a few enemies to watch out for.
 

budlover13

King Tut
It's funny though b/c I was raised in the Nazarene church and VIVIDLY and CLEARLY recall all the teachings that focused on Pilot "washing his hands" of Jesus' blood. And therefore put 100% of the blame on the Jewish leadership of the time. Falsely, imho.
 

ChubbySoap

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Matthew 27: 11-25...i remember well my parochial school teachings

yes...Pilate had a tough choice...washing his hands did not relive him of the death to me however.
when 10 people kill a person, each is not responsible 1/10th, but for the whole murder, deny it as they may.
 

BrotherBuz

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". . .CLEARLY recall all the teachings that focused on Pilot "washing his hands" of Jesus' blood. And therefore put 100% of the blame on the Jewish leadership of the time. Falsely, imho.
It's false because it says so at budlover 7:1-5 lol lol Please . . .
 

ChubbySoap

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Me? flipped?
...maybe...takes another person to make that call.....maybe i am...

The problem with those who say that once a person is saved he cannot lose his salvation is that such a doctrine necessarily requires the belief that man does not have free will...

they tend to use scripture to support this notion
Acts 13:48
Romans 8:29-30
Timothy 1:9
Ephesians 1:4-5
Thessalonians 2:11-13
Jude 4
I can see their point to be honest...however...
Logically, one could argue that it makes no sense for God to give commandments to men if they have no choice in following them or not.
One could not sin, because sin implies a choice to obey.
If one has no choice but to violate a command, then logic says they can not be held accountable for the sin.
However, that is logic, not scripture....

Fortunately, the scriptures also say man has free will.
Deuteronomy 30:19
Joshua 24:15
Proverbs 3:31
James 4:17
there are others of course...but i won't include them to save on time...scripture quite clearly says we have a choice

the contradicting nature of the book itself FORCES one to choose what is right for them...and if that isn't enough, well...

god approached man by offering a savior for sin.
Now it is up to man to accept that offering.
We must approach god in the way that he has designated, in response to his approaching us.
We must CHOOSE to do so.
It’s a mutual kind of thing, except God came the farthest in his approach to man.

all depends how you were raised, which view you hold to...they are both in the good book
 

ChubbySoap

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...plus if we didn't have a choice....well... a lot of priests certainly have been wasting their time up on the ol pulpit eh?

:D

bongsmilie
 

redivider

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fuck the church.

if you want to believe in god and jesus that's fine.

you should not have to give 10% of your salary if it was really all about faith. but it's not.
 

ChubbySoap

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Sure why not? I don't believe any of it anyways...

imho, no place in scripture can answer your question quite like Acts 2:38.

Acts 2 is an ideal place to study salvation for several reasons.
To start with, it is the first place that God’s complete plan of salvation is announced.
Secondly, it contains the preaching of an inspired apostle, Peter, who spoke exactly what the Holy Spirit told him to say.
Third, and most important to our study, Acts 2 begins with unsaved people and ends with saved people.
What happens to them in this chapter that moves them from a state of being lost to a state of being saved is of primary importance.

you do not agree?
o__o
 

sso

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yes...Pilate had a tough choice...washing his hands did not relive him of the death to me however.
when 10 people kill a person, each is not responsible 1/10th, but for the whole murder, deny it as they may

text like that is especially suspicous, knowing that the roman empire became the roman church, because all their soldiers had turned christian, the emperor pretended to have a dream where their soldiers won and under a cross, so he had them make a flag with a cross on it.

besides its full known (by scholars anyway) that the bible was much altered when put together by the roman empire. (formerly the enemy of all christians lol)

knowing somewhat about the roman emperors does explain abit about the numbers of pedophiles within their ranks. and knowing somewhat about them and later churchleaders makes one think that the whole bible is totally cast in doubt as anything but fiction, one would need to learn the ancient languages and get your hands on the oldest texts to see whats what (and they usually have lots of text missing and or using language that makes little sense today)

the bible has some philosophical truths, but is mostly a dry collection of boring stories and jewish linealogy, the jews on the other hand possibly invented bullshit artists and knowing somewhat about their priests, casts the whole old testament in doubt as political propaganda, inspired by true events and a thinker or 2 and then spundoctored into this fancy tale.

the new testament, is possibly and probably based on a real life person, but since the first records were written 80 years later and tampered with by the roman empire and possibly its original writers, everything is cast into doubt except the message of compassion and love.

and even that could have been stolen from buddhist teachings. predating jesus by 500 years.

all the surviving records about this time (and the mention of jesus) were roman, bunch of unscrupulous bastards. can not really trust them, the history is written by the victors, as they see fit.

as many scholars see it, the roman empire sculpted a faith, combing elements from many faiths (for example christmas, formerly the festival of the light, a very "pagan" festival, easter as well, the festival of fertility (why do you think they got the bunnies on easter, bit of a coincidence "christ" being born and killed onthose festivals? and says alot about the roman empire and their politicans)

its an adaptive religion, much of what is part of modern christianity is fairly new, though ideas like heaven and hell were invented around 600 ad.
though i doubt the line "heaven is all around you(meaning heaven is on earth, if you make it so)" was invented by the romans,they just took alot of good stuff (or it wouldnt have captured peoples imagination so) that people allready believed in or much, put it all together edited what didnt fit them and made a nice stew out of it.

not essentially a bad thing, it unified the world a bit, but few years down the line they got really drunk on power and started selling absolution and torturing people.

making statements like the pope is basically god on earth (still in effect actually)
or was it nr 2, forget lol.

aside from some philosophical tidbits its a rather boring nonsense and i fail to see how this could have generated so much hoopla, but i suppose people are just really afraid and insecure about their lot in life and really jumping at the chance of someone bossing them around and telling them what to do, the higher the authority the better.

like having giant parents (single father this case lol) all the time, with strict rules and guidelines and you have to please them to get the cookies (heaven)
if you are bad you get the belt (hell)

of course this one has the power to make it forever (scaring a shitload of people with the idea)

semisick insane idea, (speaking mildly) but it sure has garnered a lot of loot and power to alot of people.
though i suppose it also makes a lot of people feel good too. so not all bad (if you dont take into consideration that even happy religious people tend to make atheists miserable)

blablabla, i get bored even writing about this claptrap.
 

sso

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to put it simply, the bible is a big piling steam of turd with a single nugget of gold in it.

the message of truth and love.
 
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