The Cannabis Brain

[skunkushybrid]

Your claim that it is egotistical to believe humans are more intelligent, shows you have the intelligence of an animal. Your quite obviously a Philistine; you can't appreciate what human beings are, or what they have achieved. Yes some material things that humans produce are pointless, but that is completely out weighed by art, music, literature, science, philosophy, I could go on. the things you describe about animals are all physical attributes that they have and/or behavioural patterns that have emerged over time. I agree some of the higher animals display empathy, and emotion, like elephants mourning a loved ones death. But this is far from the complexity of human emotion or understanding. You said that dolphins can travel at 40 mph with incredible co ordination, well, fighter jets can go mach 3 with incredible co ordination as well as fly 20 miles high. Elephants can communicate over 25 miles, well, humans have sent out radio signals 70 light years away. Got any more?

I see things a little differently, obviously we are more intelligent... yet on an emotional level we are on a par with elephants, dog, cats... etc. Elephants have been studied displaying all the emotional characteristics of humans. In fact an elephant will mourn another's death for up to 10 years. Longer than some humans would, lol. They use vocalisations and gestures to communicate. Tools to fan themselves or to reach out of the way food sources.

Evolution happens over millions of years, and once we were just like an animal... poor communication and tool useage. Did we feel emotion then?

When these scientists talk of a plant brain, obviously it is not a brain like ours... or maybe it is, just evolved in a different way. We need to remember, that just as we have 'higher animals' we also have 'higher plants'. These plants are more complex than science can at present understand. 50% of what we claim to know is mere guesswork based on a multitude of varying facts. Yet if one hole is found in just one of those facts, theories collapse.

Essentially all life is the same, this is so because we all came from one original living thing.

 

[Titania]

I see things a little differently, obviously we are more intelligent... yet on an emotional level we are on a par with elephants, dog, cats... etc. Elephants have been studied displaying all the emotional characteristics of humans. In fact an elephant will mourn another's death for up to 10 years. Longer than some humans would, lol. They use vocalisations and gestures to communicate. Tools to fan themselves or to reach out of the way food sources.

Evolution happens over millions of years, and once we were just like an animal... poor communication and tool useage. Did we feel emotion then?

When these scientists talk of a plant brain, obviously it is not a brain like ours... or maybe it is, just evolved in a different way. We need to remember, that just as we have 'higher animals' we also have 'higher plants'. These plants are more complex than science can at present understand. 50% of what we claim to know is mere guesswork based on a multitude of varying facts. Yet if one hole is found in just one of those facts, theories collapse.

Essentially all life is the same, this is so because we all came from one original living thing.

Well said Aaahh, what's the name of that plant that traps flies, that's a perfect example of 'higher' plants.

 

[Titania]

haha. I do what I can. thank you for helping me help you yeah, I'm all there with you with the *subversion* hehe of the english language. i hate hearing people say things totally in the wrong way, and when cultural understandings of terms are dumbed down due to misuse.

Ha yeah, one of the most annoying for me is "Pungent" to describe some1 who's hot!
But are you brave enough to pronounce the 2 tt's in Bottle, LOL

 

[groprofosho]

intelligence is marked by an ability to change behavior based on "experience". the only form of intelligence i could see would be a multigenerational form....aka natural selection.

 

[asdfva]

Well said Aaahh, what's the name of that plant that traps flies, that's a perfect example of 'higher' plants.

^^There are numerous varieties and I am sure
that you know what some of them are. You talk
with an Aristocratic tone that almost has the feeling
of cold lifeless eyes sneering down a pointy long nose
at the little people on the board.

With so many, on this thread alone, not agreeing with
you... why do you continue to stay? This is not a rhetorical
question. I ask because you converse as though you have
no real experience with this... we'll call it a "Sub-Culture;"
Speaking with almost amazement that anyone would think
the way they are thinking on here. Using a term, even
antiquated to us, like "Pot Head?"

I won't say that you are not educated, because you clearly
are well read. I thought you were a DT at first, but when
you talked about not eating red meat... I just figured you
for a college Mark. These are just my opinions and I speak
ONLY for myself and no one else on here.

For the record, I was meat free(not vegan) for nearly ten
years of my life for social and political reasons. I now feel
that I have better understanding, that NO book could ever
offer, on why I eat meat. My genetic make, perhaps, compels
me to eat meat. I can choose to eat locally raise meats
from a good farm and not a factory, but I still WANT meat.

I will be thankful for the meal, and respect what I have.
Your low blow to Pagans, by the way, is a typical euro-
christian response to glorification of nature. You are wrong
and you can never stop nature. You will kill yourself before
you destroy nature. I wish you luck in your scientific findings.
You will need it.

Sorry to thread jack.
SKH... I have been noticing what you are describing in this
thread the past few years. Life has only been getting better.
Thanks for the topic.

 

[Titania]

^^There are numerous varieties and I am sure
that you know what some of them are. You talk
with an Aristocratic tone that almost has the feeling
of cold lifeless eyes sneering down a pointy long nose
at the little people on the board.

With so many, on this thread alone, not agreeing with
you... why do you continue to stay? This is not a rhetorical
question. I ask because you converse as though you have
no real experience with this... we'll call it a "Sub-Culture;"
Speaking with almost amazement that anyone would think
the way they are thinking on here. Using a term, even
antiquated to us, like "Pot Head?"

I won't say that you are not educated, because you clearly
are well read. I thought you were a DT at first, but when
you talked about not eating red meat... I just figured you
for a college Mark. These are just my opinions and I speak
ONLY for myself and no one else on here.

For the record, I was meat free(not vegan) for nearly ten
years of my life for social and political reasons. I now feel
that I have better understanding, that NO book could ever
offer, on why I eat meat. My genetic make, perhaps, compels
me to eat meat. I can choose to eat locally raise meats
from a good farm and not a factory, but I still WANT meat.

I will be thankful for the meal, and respect what I have.
Your low blow to Pagans, by the way, is a typical euro-
christian response to glorification of nature. You are wrong
and you can never stop nature. You will kill yourself before
you destroy nature. I wish you luck in your scientific findings.
You will need it.

Sorry to thread jack.
SKH... I have been noticing what you are describing in this
thread the past few years. Life has only been getting better.
Thanks for the topic.

You have really got the wrong end of the stick, I wasn't being sarcastic with my reply to skunk, I genuinely don't know the name of them. I don't blame you either, looking back at it, it does look like I was being a sarcy little fucker but I wasn't! I'm almost offended (if it wasn't for my sense of humour) by you implying that I am of aristocratic nature and cold and lifeless, actually I'm a socialist and would love to see the end of a the unjust distribution of money, and power. As for the cold and lifeless remark, well, nothing could be further from the truth, you'll just have to take my word on that. You asked why I'm still here despite a lot of opposition; If Darwin had just walked away from his theory because of opposition, would the world be a better place? Your right I was amazed at how people did not even question this hypothesis, they just swallowed it because it requires no understanding of philosophy or science, just blind faith into something that has no scientific evidence, only anecdotal evidence exists. Also I have nothing against pagans, no more than I have against Christians or any faith. I actively glorify nature, and I'm amazed by it, I just don't invent it. To quote Einstein "There are only two ways to live your life, one is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle". I live mine by the latter. I'm glad you brought up the meat issue. You said you didn't eat it for social and political reasons, what were those? I don't eat it for moral reasons, nothing else. You sound like a nice person, it's a shame you've judged me the opposite. BTW what is a DT I'm off to have a joint after that rant, thx anyway asdfva.

 

[Titania]

Unnecessary... yes, but it is also unnecessary to eat fish... maybe we could evolve to not need to eat at all. Maybe just pop a few pills. Red meat is an important source of iron... oh to hell with doing it in my own words, just read this:
"Meat is the single richest source of iron and zinc and contributes significant amounts of vitamins," says Mary Abbott Hess, a registered dietitian and former president of the American Dietetic Association (ADA).
Meanwhile, a three-ounce serving of beef provides 50 percent of the daily recommended protein, along with beneficial B vitamins. And as for all that saturated fat, according to the ADA "more than half the fatty acids in beef are monounsaturated, the same type of fatty acids found in olive oil and championed for their heart-healthy properties. In addition, approximately one-third of the saturated fat in beef is stearic acid, which is shown to have a neutral effect on blood cholesterol."

Grilling red meat can lead to the formation of cancer-causing heterocyclic amines.

The ADA advises that Americans can eat six ounces of lean red meat five or more days a week and still be eating a diet that could decrease cholesterol levels. Surprisingly, they say lean beef is just as effective as skinless chicken when it comes to lowering cholesterol.
If You Eat Red Meat, What Kind is Best?
There are those in the natural health field who oppose red meat for ethical reasons, and there are those who are fans of red meat ... as long as it comes from quality sources.
Conventional meat is typically raised on corporate factory farms that are inhumane to animals and unhealthy for you. Animals raised in mass factory farms are pumped full of antibiotics, hormones and other drugs (about 70 percent of all antibiotics and similar drugs produced in the United States are given to livestock and poultry), while being fed an unhealthy mix of pesticide-laden grains.
If you are not familiar with factory-farming practices and what that means for the food you feed your family, The Meat You Eat: How Corporate Farming Has Endangered America's Food Supply, is a highly recommended book on the topic. It's a quick read, and one that can help lead to a positive transformation in both a big-picture and personal sense.
When it comes to red meat, choosing sources that have been raised in humane, natural ways --- which means being raised on pasture, or grass-fed -- is the healthier choice, according to many experts. Grass-fed beef has been found to contain less fat and more omega-3 fatty acids, conjugated linoleic acid (CLA) and other beneficial compounds compared to grain-fed beef.
What About Cooking and Processing?
Adding to the complexity, the way red meat is cooked and processed can also impact its nutritional value. Processed meats are known to be among the worst way to consume red meats because they contain a number of additives, one being sodium nitrite, a preservative that's been linked to cancer.
Cooking red meat at high temperatures, such as frying, searing, grilling or broiling, is also problematic. It's known to produce heterocyclic amines, chemicals that may cause cancer.
Add up all of the above and you're left with a personal decision that only you can make. While some say you're better off avoiding red meat entirely, others point out its beneficial nutrients, particularly when it comes from a healthy, humanely raised grass-fed animal.---end.


I only eat British beef.

Good man for only eating British beef, I hope your eating organic meat as well as free range eggs. We must put a stop to the transportation of animals to other countries it's disgusting. Also, we must boycott all battery hens eggs.

Hasta la victoria siempre!

 

[Asthmatic Toker]

I think that everyone here is hung up on plants-animals/humans. The problem in relating intelligence is the definition of the word, I think some people are considering intelligence is any kind of conscious awareness and some people think it is dependent on all of the other abstract thoughts which are related to brain formation complexity. Obviously not everything is on the same intelligence level as everything else. We have a much more highly developed brain than anything else, but why is it wrong to consider that plants do not just have a highly simplistic system for processing information? There are obvious differences between plants and humans. I think you have to dumb it down to something more relative. When you look at organisms in the Kingdom Protista they are all quite similar to plants. They all have preprogrammed responses given from the nucleus, however these specimens are all capable of hunting and capable of more evolved thought than expected. I think that plants are able to process conscious awareness of whats going on. I have really enjoyed reading this thread. Thanks!

 

[stonegrove]

I remember reading an article about how much more Evolved the marijuana plant is, compared to humans. It was saying that the cannabis plant Evolves at such a faster rate that it is a GOOD FEW generations ahead of us lol. im not saying tis smart tho.

 

[marijuanajoe1982]

I don't relate consciousness to intelligence, i relate it more to awareness. To even have some small degree of awareness would make the plant or any other living thing a conscious being.

There are sound levels that we as humans can not hear... why not levels of consciousness? Just because we do not fully understand it yet does not mean that it exists.

Plants have evolved along with humans, but unlike humans they still have an amazing capacity to evolve further. Indeed, given the right environment cannabis could well evolve into a perennial tree in just a few short months. Indeed, cannabis can evolve to extremes of environment not witnessed on this planet today. I'm speaking of UV radiation... I've done this test myself.

Why do plants not like certain people? Now this is true, I have witnessed it. Some people, no matter what they do just can't get their plants to like them. Obviously this could be logically answered in any way you please, but there is some room to suggest that this might be fact.

There is still a long way to go before we fully understand the workings of plants.

-This is great guys. A true debate between a couple of intelligent people is something not often witnessed on internet message boards. This is almost a debate between a realist and an idealist. But ultimately I think SkunkBush has a point and may be more technically correct. The neural enzymes amd other minerals at certain areas in thier system do serve the purpose of essentially telling the plant what to do in reaction to environmental factors. How does a plant know to turn it's leaves' orientation in order to get optimal light useage? thats some form of intelligence, regardless of if it has 'awareness' or is 'conscious'.
-If a person is in a coma and is no longer aware of thier surroundings or conscious anymore, does thier nervous system no longer serve a purpose?

 

[deor]

i think he was inferring that potheads are not intelligent..

 

[bicycle racer]

good interesting thread i have thoughts on this but dont feel to eloquent or sharp right now enjoyable read i must say.