incognegro999
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PPPLLLLZZZ share haha I have been dying to know this. I will forever kneel at the kitty altar = )
20,000 Watt Medical Grow Op Construction
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mellokitty
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you click the multiquote button (the quotation marks with the +) on all the posts you want to quote and then hit reply with quote on the last one.
i blinked at the screen like, "really? it's that easy?"
cg, it says a lot about the atmosphere of your thread that kitty the luddite is comfortable enough to be like, "i wonder what happens if i try [this].... *click click*"
i blinked at the screen like, "really? it's that easy?"
cg, it says a lot about the atmosphere of your thread that kitty the luddite is comfortable enough to be like, "i wonder what happens if i try [this].... *click click*"
incognegro999
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you have found the holy grail of RIU and I am forever grateful 
collective gardener
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I too have the "unknown sativa". She's my headstash, and has been for a dozen years. When I took a break from growing a friend kept her alive and still complains to me. She takes about 6 years to finish, stays under 6 feet if you flower her right out of the clone dome, and every single branch needs support in late bloom. I real treat to grow. BUT, OMG...the high is like nothing I've ever experienced. Did I mention it has zero bag appeal?
Kitty, we too experience lack of demand for sativas. It's slowly changing, though. I'm getting patient requests for more sativas. I need to try a few sativa rich crosses to see how they work for us. Helper D has a New York Diesel he's playing with. He did a great job stopping vertical growth with foilar applications of Bushmaster. He's the Bushmaster Master. I'll take a pic of the plant. He sprays with Bushmaster and feeds with clear water, the next day regular feeding, the next day he sprays with Bushmaster and feeds with clear water, the next regular feeding. He does this 4 times, total of 8 days. All vertical growth stops and the plants shows no stress at all. Anyways, seeing him do this has made me start thinking more about bringing is some sativas. Now that I know what he can do, I'm more willing to "paly with the sativa fire".
Kitty, thank you so much for the Dr Atomic info. I am not a seed buyer at all. When I do, I usually buy at least 50 of 1 strain. I just can't shake my old school approach to finding good mommies. I know I know...they're stable. I just don't buy it. Anyways, I'm going to give his gear a try. I'll let you all know what I get. We're going to grow them at a friends grow so we don't use up plant numbers highgrading. My buddy has so many plants that 50 more is a drop in the bucket.
Wolverine97
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Good stuff Collective, sorry for getting off topic again. I also recently acquired a very nice Super Silver Haze cut that I'm sure will command some attention round here in a few months...
Sr. Verde
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Collective, if you dont mind me asking - How does one cure bulk?
I mean sure drying is easy, but how do you get allll that into air tight containers... A shit tonne of jars...... big ass containers, something totally different
?
Not to mention opening it, and sifting around the meds.
This intrigues me
ps: my tangerines are on day 16 smelling great
I mean sure drying is easy, but how do you get allll that into air tight containers... A shit tonne of jars...... big ass containers, something totally different
?Not to mention opening it, and sifting around the meds.
This intrigues me
ps: my tangerines are on day 16 smelling great
Get rid of that Ultra sun ASAP !! Junk bulbs. Check my thread with a comparison and see for yourself. I have 6 of them with 8 weeks of use on them sitting in boxes ever since.
Thread
https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/355137-think-your-bulb-doesnt-matter.html
Comparison picture , same strain, same room ONLY differnce was the bulbs. Plant on the right was an old hortilux too.
TheLastWood
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Yeah even with stable strains, the more you get the better chance of finding a super freak. You can find a keeper in a 5 or 10 pack. But how many perfectly good skunk#1 did they go through before finding cheese? And I'm sure beautiful romulan plants were culled by the boatload when making them "indica size".
Worse case scenario you end up with 20 nice females and a few beauts. do u buy fem?
Worse case scenario you end up with 20 nice females and a few beauts. do u buy fem?
mellokitty
Moderatrix of Journals
dr atomic doesn't do fem as far as i know.
whenever i manage to get my hands on a 'reject' from one of his experiments it ends up being my prized strain, so go figure. (like the atomic nl x blue i started on - best beginner weed *ever*)
you know, i just smoked a real nyc diesel for the first time in a long time about a week ago, and it's a pity it's not more popular. a few years ago it was *everywhere, it seemed.... i will never understand the market here. right at this moment there's probably enough b-grade in this province to fill our football stadium, easily 90% of it some sort of kush.
bushmaster hey? (heard the name tossed around, know nothing about it)... let me do some homework first, and then i'll be back with some questions ('cause that's how i roll, you know). sounds very exciting. officially got the greenlight from hubby to start seriously considering strains (gotta narrow it down to 3 ... *boo*). i want at least one of "those" sativas.
i'm not normally a seed buyer either, but it's just so damned impossible to get away from the infamous starts-with-K-strain. right now our options are, well, the 2 we have now, a budrot-susceptible commercial monstrosity they call "cherry" (i've also heard it's an HA strain but i can't remember where i heard that and have no idea if it's true, anyway it's C.R.A.Pee.) (not to be confused with "cherry bomb", which is great), or a really finicky (i think mom got stressed out as a seedling) pineapple chunk. and our og is getting a bit 'tired'. or i am of it.
as far as stability, backcrossing, f1, blah blah blah, i don't buy it either. i think it's far-fetched to assume that you're going to get a generation of one pheno, no matter what your process is. that's sort of like me thinking if i choose 2 really good looking people and make them breed, and then make their children breed (i know i know people aren't plants but let me run with my analogy, k?), they're eventually going to have the same looking offspring every time, isn't it? i mean a) they're probably going to be good-looking, but nobody will know in *what *way they'll be that (maybe they'll have big eyes, or high cheekbones, or perfect teeth, or all 3); and b) there is the off-chance that they get the perfect combination of features that makes them kinda fugly. dr a told me that when he's working with a new strain he starts hundreds of seeds of it, himself; so i commend you your due diligence in your selection process.
i cannot even begin to tell you how excited i am to see what you come up with, and i'm probably never even going to see her in person! *sigh*
me, i'm probably gonna take a wee gamble and just get a 10/12 pack of each, whatever i choose. the beauty part of the local seed companies i like to support is that they know me and my product well enough that if i go to them with a complaint they know it's not some silly mistake on my part (or that if it *was my own damn fault, i know better than to bother complaining to them about it). and more than likely 2 of the 3 i choose will be locals.
whenever i manage to get my hands on a 'reject' from one of his experiments it ends up being my prized strain, so go figure. (like the atomic nl x blue i started on - best beginner weed *ever*)
you know, i just smoked a real nyc diesel for the first time in a long time about a week ago, and it's a pity it's not more popular. a few years ago it was *everywhere, it seemed.... i will never understand the market here. right at this moment there's probably enough b-grade in this province to fill our football stadium, easily 90% of it some sort of kush.
bushmaster hey? (heard the name tossed around, know nothing about it)... let me do some homework first, and then i'll be back with some questions ('cause that's how i roll, you know). sounds very exciting. officially got the greenlight from hubby to start seriously considering strains (gotta narrow it down to 3 ... *boo*). i want at least one of "those" sativas.
i'm not normally a seed buyer either, but it's just so damned impossible to get away from the infamous starts-with-K-strain. right now our options are, well, the 2 we have now, a budrot-susceptible commercial monstrosity they call "cherry" (i've also heard it's an HA strain but i can't remember where i heard that and have no idea if it's true, anyway it's C.R.A.Pee.) (not to be confused with "cherry bomb", which is great), or a really finicky (i think mom got stressed out as a seedling) pineapple chunk. and our og is getting a bit 'tired'. or i am of it.
as far as stability, backcrossing, f1, blah blah blah, i don't buy it either. i think it's far-fetched to assume that you're going to get a generation of one pheno, no matter what your process is. that's sort of like me thinking if i choose 2 really good looking people and make them breed, and then make their children breed (i know i know people aren't plants but let me run with my analogy, k?), they're eventually going to have the same looking offspring every time, isn't it? i mean a) they're probably going to be good-looking, but nobody will know in *what *way they'll be that (maybe they'll have big eyes, or high cheekbones, or perfect teeth, or all 3); and b) there is the off-chance that they get the perfect combination of features that makes them kinda fugly. dr a told me that when he's working with a new strain he starts hundreds of seeds of it, himself; so i commend you your due diligence in your selection process.
i cannot even begin to tell you how excited i am to see what you come up with, and i'm probably never even going to see her in person! *sigh*
me, i'm probably gonna take a wee gamble and just get a 10/12 pack of each, whatever i choose. the beauty part of the local seed companies i like to support is that they know me and my product well enough that if i go to them with a complaint they know it's not some silly mistake on my part (or that if it *was my own damn fault, i know better than to bother complaining to them about it). and more than likely 2 of the 3 i choose will be locals.
collective gardener
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After the hang dry, we strip the buds off the stems and place them in small rubbermaid storage totes. They're not quite air tight, which actually works for us. Instead of burping, I just open em up, stir em around and close it back up. This is just for a couple days. Then they go into turkey bags which are airtight. Then, we open, stir, and smoke once per day. When the smoke seems right, we seal em up. I am amassing some glass jars for longer term storage. Much of it is gone though, as soon as it smoke tests ok.Collective, if you dont mind me asking - How does one cure bulk?
I mean sure drying is easy, but how do you get allll that into air tight containers... A shit tonne of jars...... big ass containers, something totally different
Not to mention opening it, and sifting around the meds.
This intrigues me
ps: my tangerines are on day 16 smelling great
collective gardener
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I don't know if we have the real NYC Diesel or not. It is the sole survivor of a batch of cuts we purchased from a dispensary, which I will never ever do again. 7 of 8 died...but not before unleashing thrips into my perfectly strerile brand new grow. Anyways, Helper D really wanted it, and he works hard. It is tough for anyone to put so much work into a grow that's not yours. I figure if he has a little piece for himself it will be more bearable.
Do your research on Bushmaster. There are some threads here on it. It's a heated topic. One thing that there is no argument on is that whatever it is, it really works to stop vertical growth for 7 to 10 days. Get back with me after you've looked at the ins and outs.
I like the Atomic Haze. I'll also be getting some of his NL#5 to see how close it is to what we grew "back in the day". Based on what I've been reading on Dr Atomic, his NL5 may even be better than what was available way back when. The thought of NL X Bad Ass Sativa is very exiting. I'm a little hesitant only because of the yield. He says low yield. We'll pick up a bag of seeds, grow them out, and if the yield is enough to grow it for patients, we'll get 50 or so seeds and find a winner. If the yield looks too low, we'll grow a plant or 2 for head stash. I wish I didn't have to be so concerned with commercial issues...but that's the life we've chosen. When I can grow purely for fun, I'll have 15 - 20 strains going at all times.
Good luck on your strain hunting. I can't wait to hear what you've chosen. Sounds like you're a glutten for punishment as well, wanting one of "those" sativas. LOL
mellokitty
Moderatrix of Journals
i have grown some of dr a's genetics. i am intimately acquainted with a previous atomic nl x dj short blue that he did, way back in the day. atomic jam is a different cross of the same breeds, i would imagine it would behave similarly though. beautiful piney weed, stupidly easy to grow, zero plucking (you just *rub* the effing thing and all the yellow leaves that are ready to come off, come off), pest resistant, omg omg. i cannot say enough good things about the blue x atomic nl that i had. my ex and i grew the crap out of it for 5 years, i would heartily recommend it to any level of grower. a noob would learn well off it, and a master would make it something beautiful.
i've grown thai lights as well, which was not as good a yielder, although it was this crazy sativa goodness. you know, one of "those". every time the doc pulls out a joint it's that. mmmmmmm. food for thought.....
unfortunately, i don't have any pictures because a) it was my very first strain *wipes a single tear*... that was even before mmj, so *none of it was legal, so only the 'pot photograpers' were taking potshots around that time. b) before digicams too; pretty much you wanted your own dark room.
both really pretty, with some red/purple on the upper leaves and buds as it finishes....(tbh ours looked more like the pic of atomic shiva at vancouver seed bank though).... which is actually a high contender right now too.....
i've grown thai lights as well, which was not as good a yielder, although it was this crazy sativa goodness. you know, one of "those". every time the doc pulls out a joint it's that. mmmmmmm. food for thought.....
unfortunately, i don't have any pictures because a) it was my very first strain *wipes a single tear*... that was even before mmj, so *none of it was legal, so only the 'pot photograpers' were taking potshots around that time. b) before digicams too; pretty much you wanted your own dark room.
both really pretty, with some red/purple on the upper leaves and buds as it finishes....(tbh ours looked more like the pic of atomic shiva at vancouver seed bank though).... which is actually a high contender right now too.....
mellokitty
Moderatrix of Journals
hey, no problem, i love the doc, AND his work. in bc, he's a bit of a celebrity, and i've had the good fortune of meeting him at cafes and through friends and whatnot. (i remember the first time my buddy brought me a zip of his post-seed weed....it was like ambrosia fell down from mt. olympus or something....)
gotta support the locals.
gotta support the locals.
mellokitty
Moderatrix of Journals
what did you do about your thrips? everybody and their dog has them here (we fight them from time to time too - i expect this next one might be "the bad one"....) but nobody really has a pesticide-free solution to them. we usually just knock them back with cold water spray to keep ourselves from getting *infested, but when there's not a lot of them they don't really seem to do much more than cosmetic damage that ends up in the shake bag anyway....
helper d is a lucky helper, and you, sir, are a prince among bosses. trust me, i've had some real *doozies* of bosses and prospective bosses (guys you can just smell the "i'm gonna fuck you over" on).
surprisingly enough, hubby has never heard of bushmaster either. but he *is intrigued. i see homework in my future.
you called it, i am more maso than sado (although i have been known to make grown men cry from time to time.... oops.), i love an ornery beeotch now and then. i have seen one of "those" sativas 8 months into flower and going strong.... i can't remember exactly *which sativa it was (this was a decade ago now, i was a youngun) but they had started harvesting tops off it at 12 weeks and just let it develop and cut some more off ad nauseum (when i saw it it had been being gradually harvested for about 5 months, + 12 weeks = 8 months). i *think, (!!!) 10 years later, *maybe i have the knowledge and wherewithal to do the same thing. the smoke was just ridiculous. peppery cedary gasoline. mmmmmmmmm lol
collective gardener
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On Thrips. Spinosad. Yes, Spinosad. The fucking thrip weapon of choice. It's a bacteria discovered in an old rum distillery. Works ok on mites, not much luck on aphids, bud deadly lethal on thrips. You can soak your plants in it lights on with no visual bad effect. You can dip the little ones. I have used it 7 days in a row with no ill effects. We were hoping not to have to use anything in this grow...hepa filters, clean room practices, and what not. But, the clone killed us. My commercial growing buddy turned us on to it. He taught us to use it 2 days in a row...wait 4 days...then 2 more days in a row. I can highly recommend it.
hellraizer30
Rebel From The North
I to have been battleing thrips using marathon/azamax/azatrol and no luck they go away then
come back. so spinosad works? and where can you find it?
come back. so spinosad works? and where can you find it?
mellokitty
Moderatrix of Journals
dagnabbit.
"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to collective gardener again."
thanks for the tip. yay more homework!
"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to collective gardener again."
thanks for the tip. yay more homework!