Wisconsin Revolt

Who do you support in the Wisconsin Revolt?

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Ernst

Ernst

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Johnnyorganic said:
Yeah, well you ALREADY made that statement or something very similar to it.

You did not need to rely on innuendo and passive/aggressive bullshit to make that particular point.

I was referring to what you OBVIOUSLY do not have the chingaderros to come right out and say.

Buh-bye.
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I'm not understanding the injury.

I'm at a loss to connect the dots at the moment.
Are you in California and Medical? I do share my seeds with other medical folks.
You might try the Tiki-Jo Sweet. I like it..
I hope in 2012 that we can Legalize Cannabis Horticulture for the People in 2012.

Any way time for some chores. I laid an egg *( wrote a long post ) in the Portugal is on the brink of bail out thread.
 
undertheice

undertheice

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it's so nice to see that this thread has degenerated just as we all knew it would. with no real leg to stand on, the advocates for public sector unions swerve all over the map, avoiding any arguments of substance. they can't seem to decide whether to minimize the argument and concentrate only on the plight of teachers or to expand their defense to include unions everywhere, so they do both and hope that something sticks. yes, we all know that private sector unions have been responsible for speeding along many reforms, but what the hell has that to do with the extravagant pensions of janitors at the capitol?

this isn't about handicapping labor, it's about paring down a bloated bureaucracy. those of you that insist on comparing this to the revolutions in the middle east or to the abomination of slavery should be ashamed of yourselves. this isn't about the destruction of our basic human rights and it certainly isn't a matter of life or death. it's about cutting the legs out from underneath a segment of the virtual monopoly of government service. you may pat yourselves on the back and claim you're striking a blow for the working man, but it isn't the working man we're talking about. these people are as much a part of the government as the political animals that try to control our every move and all you're doing is promoting the larcenous ways of government run amok. the least you statist fools could do is admit what you are advocating, the destruction of the private sector. i doubt you'll be happy until we are all working for the government and then it will be too late for you to realize that there is no one left to pay the bills.

congratulations, your beloved unions have greatly expanded the middle-class. we now have a middle-class that includes janitors, bus drivers, housekeepers and glorified babysitters. we are well on our way to abolishing the need to improve one's self in order to succeed. all that is needed is to perform the bare minimum of substandard labor and extort higher wages through union chicanery. the american dream is now "something for nothing", indolence promoted as virtue by the liberal establishment. it's no wonder the middle-class is being strangled in these unstable times. though the wealthy may sustain the bulk of the tax burden, the middle-class must still pony up to support both the dependents of the welfare state and its attendant bureaucracy. as more and more of our wealth flees to escape an increasingly unfriendly business environment, the burden of an ignorant, largely uneducated, taxpayer funded middle-class can no longer be supported.

i know, i know - your answer is to further tax those of the wealthy who have not yet abandoned us. all you are going to do is further shrink the ranks of the private sector middle-class. the wealthy who do wish to stay can always afford to find the loop-holes and write-offs to maintain their wealth. those tax codes were, after all, written by the political elite, who designed them to protect their own wealth. the poor not only don't pay any taxes, but are actually supported by the government plantation system and paid to stay poor. the public sector unions won't allow their pensions and perks to be touched, no matter whether there is any funding for them or not. so all that's left is for the workers of private industry to bear the brunt of the public sector's excess. just how long do you think that will last?
 
Johnnyorganic

Johnnyorganic

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PeachOibleBoiblePeach#1 said:
Well How many cabinet secratarie's are there? Per administration? And experience is in the game we all play. Not a figure or label.
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And this crop of cabinet Secretaries has precious little experience in the private sector.

londonfog said:
hmmmm look like BUSH 2 had over 50% and what did that do for us....your point was.....??????
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The Housing Crisis was created by the government. More specifically, it was created by Progressive goals and ideals being forced onto the market. It was the Housing crisis which brought the economy to it's knees in the last year of Dubya's Administration.

My point is those are the people advising the POTUS.

You wonder why business thinks the Administration is hostile? Well, to be honest, YOU probably don't.

Neither do I because it IS hostile to business.

A shocking number of his advisers, even Obama himself, have never had to meet a payroll. They know absolutely nothing of the stress and pressures a business owner is constantly under.
 
PeachOibleBoiblePeach#1

PeachOibleBoiblePeach#1

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They know absolutely nothing the stress and pressures a business owner is constantly under.
You have got to be kidding right??? Do you know the stress and working condition's of the working man? I did not think so! Without us there is no you.
 
londonfog

londonfog

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Johnnyorganic said:
And this crop of cabinet Secretaries has precious little experience in the private sector.


The Housing Crisis was created by the government. More specifically, it was created by Progressive goals and ideals being forced onto the market. It was the Housing crisis which brought the economy to it's knees in the last year of Dubya's Administration.

My point is those are the people advising the POTUS.

You wonder why business thinks the Administration is hostile? Well, to be honest, YOU probably don't.

Neither do I because it IS hostile to business.

A shocking number of his advisers, even Obama himself, have never had to meet a payroll. They know absolutely nothing of the stress and pressures a business owner is constantly under.
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Johnny I see you are a lost cause...... here on out my answer to you will be "OBAMA 2012"..The Best Is Yet To Come..lol hate all you want
 
Dan Kone

Dan Kone

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undertheice said:
it's so nice to see that this thread has degenerated just as we all knew it would. with no real leg to stand on, the advocates for public sector unions swerve all over the map, avoiding any arguments of substance. they can't seem to decide whether to minimize the argument and concentrate only on the plight of teachers or to expand their defense to include unions everywhere, so they do both and hope that something sticks.
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Not really. It's actually pretty clear.

1) The unions didn't cause our financial problems, wall st bankers and the wealthy did. Yet rather than make them pay their fair share they are trying to shift the burden entirely on working class people while cutting taxes for the rich even further.

2) The unions made all the financial concessions that were asked of them and that still wasn't enough for Walker. All he was interested in was union busting.

3) The tax cuts he gave to corporations and the wealthy came out to the same amount of money he cut from the unions. That's transferring wealth, class warfare, and all that fun stuff. Not an economic crisis.

yes, we all know that private sector unions have been responsible for speeding along many reforms, but what the hell has that to do with the extravagant pensions of janitors at the capitol?
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Oh yeah, that's where our economic problems come from. Janitors and their lavish feasts of top ramen and looking all smug with their fancy bus passes.

Pay no attention to the fact that the top 400 wealthiest people in America make more than the bottom 160 million Americans, it's those damn decadent janitors who want to be able to afford excesses like food and housing when they retire instead of sleeping in a refrigerator box under a bridge like they are supposed to.

Yeah, that's why we are in economic trouble.

GTFO

this isn't about handicapping labor, it's about paring down a bloated bureaucracy.
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It's about cutting pay/services to working class people so we can give rich people bigger tax cuts. Anyone who can't see that is a fool.

It's nothing more than class warfare. Unless you are a member of the ultrawealthy class you are losing that war. Why you'd want to support the ultra wealthy against your own interests is beyond me. I guess PT Barnum was right, there really is a sucker born every minute.

this isn't about the destruction of our basic human rights and it certainly isn't a matter of life or death.
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It's about making rich people even richer and then blaming working class people after the rich have sucked up all the countries wealth leaving the middle class out on their asses.

you may pat yourselves on the back and claim you're striking a blow for the working man, but it isn't the working man we're talking about.
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Yes it is. That's exactly who we're talking about. Janitors aren't living on stock dividends or their inheritance.

Congratulations on buying into a pack of lies perpetrated by the very people who are really causing our country's financial problems. You're a good little pawn.
 
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