hi adino!
Hey Joe M, appreciate the quick reply.
i'm sure the other brands are great but to me the price on the blackstars make up for less warranty. i just want to be clear i have never flowered w/leds @ all yet but i love what they do in veg. still savin my dough for some flowering models
but there are a few guys here who have used leds for entire grows and they have had pretty good luck. for your purpose it sounds like the right fit. i also like the idea of combining w/hid this is what i most likely will do whenever i can afford some flowering models.
More bs by the led haters, thats all
You ever heard of "you get what you pay for?" I have an LED that I veg and flower with, keeps internodes tight, little stretching, etc. Cost me 1600, but I have no need for a chiller, cooltube, etc. etc. which is what I would have to have had to run a 1k hps in my room. It is made for flowering (15 spectrums including uv) but does just great for vegging. Like I said, you get what you pay for. Don't expect a $100.00 panel to do the trick. 65000 lumens at 600 watts, whats not to like.i'm sure the other brands are great but to me the price on the blackstars make up for less warranty. i just want to be clear i have never flowered w/leds @ all yet but i love what they do in veg. still savin my dough for some flowering models
btw what bilderberg said is spot on. if you try vegging w/a flowering model i fear you will not be happy and vice-versa
whatever you decide good luck
joe
So true!
I can vouch for the blackstar flowering capabilities. ITS SICK! I moved my grow journal to a different forum though so I really can't show yall much from lately as I am not going to repost all that stuff. If you would like to see it just pm me for the link. I had doo doo genetics from nirvana so i had one go super lanky. The proper one's cola is rock hard and COVERED in resin. I put the plants on Nirvana's site to shame with this quality.i'm sure the other brands are great but to me the price on the blackstars make up for less warranty. i just want to be clear i have never flowered w/leds @ all yet but i love what they do in veg. still savin my dough for some flowering models
btw what bilderberg said is spot on. if you try vegging w/a flowering model i fear you will not be happy and vice-versa
whatever you decide good luck
joe
Lbezphil: I have no doubt that your $1600.00 light absolutely rocks. And I also have no doubt that it will smoke the performance of a Blackstar as well. But again I'm literally looking at no more than (2) plants max. And my 150W HPS already has done very well with my one AK-48 so far. So just looking to add a little something extra to increase the yield a tad and help with overall growth. Also I'm not vegging. 14 days under a CFL from seed then straight to flowering.
cmon now fellas.....that isnt true at all......i just vegged with my blackstar flowering models and my babies turned out great..........these pics are about 10 day span of vegging....i'm sure the other brands are great but to me the price on the blackstars make up for less warranty. i just want to be clear i have never flowered w/leds @ all yet but i love what they do in veg. still savin my dough for some flowering models
btw what bilderberg said is spot on. if you try vegging w/a flowering model i fear you will not be happy and vice-versa
whatever you decide good luck
joe
sounds like a top of the line fixture.
Not sure if your referring to me, but i personally have flowered with the blackstar which is why i purchased a second one for my current grow..........
and thats false advertising youre selling me a lower-powered panel and saying its double thats bullshit
And again.....for some reason all led manufacturers use this false advertising strategy........we all are aware of this fact
Are people on here using kilowatt testers to test watts?? I have spoken to people who know electronics but do not know LED grow lights regarding this and have been told there is very little accuracy when using kilowatt testers. I spoke to them about LED lights as a whole and not specifically grow lights and what I was told is the larger draw in watts increases the accuracy when moving closer to a kilowatt with kilowatt testers but on anything under 500w is pointless to use these meters on. Don't expect to get an actual draw. This is a quote "what is the point of testing watts when it clearly draws under 200w?? Who even does this?" Far as he knows there is not even a widespread need for devices that accurately test watts because it's so minimal. Kilowatt testers are used to test heavy duty appliances that draw kilowatts not watts. Get an amp tester and see if the amps are rated correctly. If so multiply amps with volts and you get watts. A x V = W and Three different kilowatt testers and the key word here is "kilowatt" will give you a range of different answers on lower watt devices. One guy I spoke to who builds his own really sic guitar pedals brought up a key point of resistance. "Many electronic devices draw increased levels as they warm up and resistance decreases." and asked me to think about it in terms of tube amps that open up as they warm up, or analog pedals that have to be "iced down" with dry ice to decrease the resistance. This "closes" them up after they've heated up so much. Sure we are talking about something different here and a much newer technology where resistance levels remain more constant but as the LED units heat up the resistance will likely decrease. I think that if you are using a kilowatt tester and you get 144 w on a device that claims to be 170, in terms of a 1w-1000w scale that "kilowatt" testers are made to test. 144 is actually pretty accurate. 170 w is only 17% of 1000w and 144 is 14.5% of 1000 so what you are talking about is a 2.5% difference that will likely decrease if you test your device after 12 hours of use rather than the first 5 minutes. I could be way off base here but what if discrepancy in the accuracy of your watt tester?? How scientific is it to just test the accuracy of your lights wattage and not the accuracy of the wattage tester?? Take a t.v. and see how many watts it claims to be. Mine is labeled on the back. Test the t.v. and see what you get. I find it odd that ALL these lights have incorrectly labeled there wattage and seriously doubt that it's a conspiracy to sell LED lights. None of these companies are getting together with each other to deceive LED users, but yet this is a widespread issue so there HAS to be another explanation.
Vegging panels will never flower but I totally agree Kush grove flowering models will FOR SURE veg.
A 60w read 58. A 54w read 52? I don't call that accurate. Are you plug and testing or testing over the course of a couple hours?? Seriously though how is a 60w reading 58 accurate?? I know it's a few points but when you are talking about different wattage testers and all these comparisons based on different wattage testers is far from scientific. Other than a few users on here this thread is getting more and more pointless. The point of LED is to get results from less watts so I could care less if my 170 w ISIS only tests at 144w since I'm trying to reduce my wattage. I tested my t.v. that says 55watts and it's a crappy little t.v. and at the time it said 47 watts so I guess I should make a big deal on some t.v. forum?? NO!! A couple watts is just that a couple watts so if you call a 60w device that tests 58w accurate what's wrong with me saying that a 170w rating is accurate enough for me even if the true wattage is 144w. Seriously!! What's the percent of difference in your rating vs. reading. Let me help out a little with the math. If you show a difference of 2 on a 60w device that's 3.4 % error.
The difference between 60/58 or 54/52 and 55/47 is a lot less than the difference between 170/144 (the difference won't change that much because of a higher wattage, device should be accurate to within a few watts unless broken). When LED companies label lights say 240w but it only draws 150w thats practically false advertising (they go hey the light has 80 3w LEDs that = 240 right? Well this is misleading because you can't run LEDs at full capacity (because they will put off too much heat and die quickly) and most 3w LEDs only run about 1.5w. So they trick you into buying half the light you think you are getting.