The Cannabis Brain

skunkushybrid

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THE CANNABIS BRAIN

Although plants are generally immobile and lack the most obvious brain activities of animals and humans, they are not only able to show all the attributes of intelligent behaviour but they are also equipped with neuronal molecules, especially synaptotagmins and glutamate/glycine-gated glutamate receptors. Recent advances in plant cell biology allowed identification of plant synapses transporting the plant-specific neurotransmitter-like molecule, auxin. This suggests that synaptic communication is not limited to animals and humans but seems to be widespread throughout plant tissues. Root apices seated at the anterior pole of the plant body show many features which allow us to propose that they, especially their transition zones, act in some way as brain-like command centres. The opposite posterior pole harbours sexual organs and is specialized for plant reproduction. Last but not least, we propose that vascular tissues represent highways for plant nervous activity allowing rapid exchange of information between the growing points of above-ground organs and the brain-like zones in the root apices.
There is a long history of studies on plant intelligence starting with ARISTOTLE in about 280BC, who was convinced that plants have a soul and feelings, and culminating with Charles DARWIN’S (1880) statement, in his influential book ‘The Power of Movement in Plants’, that the root apex acts like a diffuse brain, resembling brains of lower animals. On page 573, Charles DARWIN, assisted by his son, FRANCIS, wrote about the root apex with its “. . . brain being seated within the anterior end of the body, receiving impressions from the sense-organs, and directing the several movements” (DARWIN, 1880). Although studies on plant ‘neurobiology’ continue up to the present day (BOSE,1926; SIMONS, 1992; ROSHCHINA, 2001), they have been pushed to the extreme periphery of plant biology, as though they were considered scientifically incorrect and embracing some type of parapsychology. Here, we wish to show that this view is incorrect and we, for the first time, discuss critically the new data on ‘nervous plant biology’ obtained both from electrophysiology as well as from cell and molecular biology. Our conclusion is that there is highly specialized group of cells in the root apex, which has almost all the attributes of a brain-like tissue. Historically, plants and animals were considered to be organized on contrasting principles due to the immobility of plants. But the history of cell doctrine, elaborated preferentially by means of observations upon plant material and later fully confirmed for animals (HARRIS, 1999), is a nice example of how originally contrasting ideas have finally converged together. Our present concept, that brain-like attributes are a defining feature of a highly specialised zone of the root apex, is another step in showing that plants and animals, despite obvious superficial differences, are much closer to each other as would ever have been considered. The discovery of these features of nervous-like activities in plants also closes the gap noticed in an attempt to harmonise the number of biological sub-systems necessary for the processing matter, energy and information in both plants and animals (Barlow 1999).​
 

Titania

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THE CANNABIS BRAIN

they are not only able to show all the attributes of intelligent behaviour



Uh, intelligent behaviour?:confused: I think they better review that before they embarrass themselves further.:blsmoke: Skunkushybrid what source did this info come from, I'd like to look it up.​
 

skunkushybrid

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THE CANNABIS BRAIN

they are not only able to show all the attributes of intelligent behaviour​




Uh, intelligent behaviour?:confused: I think they better review that before they embarrass themselves further.:blsmoke: Skunkushybrid what source did this info come from, I'd like to look it up.​
I haven't got the original source for this... lost amidst a whole bunch of other sources... lol.

You could take a look at the link here to read the complete article, however...THE CANNABIS BRAINds

I also don't see what is so surprising about this research... they are merely confirming what growers have known for years. I like the sound of it, it's very... Darwinian.
 

Titania

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I haven't got the original source for this... lost amidst a whole bunch of other sources... lol.

You could take a look at the link here to read the complete article, however...THE CANNABIS BRAINds

I also don't see what is so surprising about this research... they are merely confirming what growers have known for years. I like the sound of it, it's very... Darwinian.
I agree that plants are more complex than they are given credit for. My problem is with the statement that they show 'all the attributes of intelligence', 'all' being the key word there; If that were so then they would be indistinguishable from human beings, because only man has all the attributes of intelligence. The problem is the word intelligence is thrown around to loosely; Its definition remains the same however: capacity for learning, reasoning, understanding, and similar forms of mental activity; aptitude in grasping truths, relationships, facts, meanings, etc. These are all forms of mental activities, which take place int the CNS, something plants lack. They remain unable to 'learn', but simply respond to stimuli in a preprogramed form, and change accordingly through mutation or evolution. Is what they claim only found in Cannabis, as your title seems to suggest? Thanks for the link by the way.:mrgreen:
 

Titania

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Haha, i just looked at the link it confirmed my suspicions, It was written by pot heads LOL ;)
 

skunkushybrid

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:mrgreen:
I agree that plants are more complex than they are given credit for. My problem is with the statement that they show 'all the attributes of intelligence', 'all' being the key word there; If that were so then they would be indistinguishable from human beings, because only man has all the attributes of intelligence. The problem is the word intelligence is thrown around to loosely; Its definition remains the same however: capacity for learning, reasoning, understanding, and similar forms of mental activity; aptitude in grasping truths, relationships, facts, meanings, etc. These are all forms of mental activities, which take place int the CNS, something plants lack. They remain unable to 'learn', but simply respond to stimuli in a preprogramed form, and change accordingly through mutation or evolution. Is what they claim only found in Cannabis, as your title seems to suggest? Thanks for the link by the way.:mrgreen:
Well now I have a problem with your definition that only man has intelligence. All living things have intelligence, it just falls into degrees. one man might be more intelligent than another, does this mean the less intelligent man is not intelligent?

The paper is an actual scientific paper, although the title has been changed to suit the website theme.

The article goes on in some detail... maybe you could read it and pick out where the guys are wrong?

I also take extreme offence to the 'pothead' remark. You do realise where you are?
 

skunkushybrid

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:mrgreen:
These are all forms of mental activities, which take place int the CNS, something plants lack. They remain unable to 'learn', but simply respond to stimuli in a preprogramed form, and change accordingly through mutation or evolution. Is what they claim only found in Cannabis, as your title seems to suggest? Thanks for the link by the way.:mrgreen:
My grasp of evolution is this: All life, that's ALL life started from an original living thing... maybe just one strand of protein. The day that protein began to multiply and each multiplication landed in it's own environment it adapted in it's own way to it.

Essentially all life is the same because it came from one living thing... we could call it god.

With this in mind it makes perfect sense to me that plants feel... the pic' in my avatar is supposedly a real depiction of the last ever man-eating tree. Life is the same... we just all evolved our own ways of living it.
 

Titania

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My grasp of evolution is this: All life, that's ALL life started from an original living thing... maybe just one strand of protein. The day that protein began to multiply and each multiplication landed in it's own environment it adapted in it's own way to it.

Essentially all life is the same because it came from one living thing... we could call it god.

With this in mind it makes perfect sense to me that plants feel... the pic' in my avatar is supposedly a real depiction of the last ever man-eating tree. Life is the same... we just all evolved our own ways of living it.
Life is the same in it's essence, however, there are varying degrees of complexity which give rise to different and more complex attributes. You must see the distinction between life that has consciousness, and that that doesn't. Naturally there is a pyramid structure in which complexity and intelligence is laid out, with humans at the top, followed by chimps, dolphins, dogs ect. Therefore it is logical that there are simple life forms the occupy the lower end of this pyramid, ones who do not display the characteristics mentioned in the link you provided. Plants fit those requirements, and all evidence shows this, the claims made on that website are merely 'their' interpretations of new scientific data. Plants are fascinating and beautiful in their own right, there is no need to exaggerate there abilities.
 

skunkushybrid

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Life is the same in it's essence, however, there are varying degrees of complexity which give rise to different and more complex attributes. You must see the distinction between life that has consciousness, and that that doesn't. Naturally there is a pyramid structure in which complexity and intelligence is laid out, with humans at the top, followed by chimps, dolphins, dogs ect. Therefore it is logical that there are simple life forms the occupy the lower end of this pyramid, ones who do not display the characteristics mentioned in the link you provided. Plants fit those requirements, and all evidence shows this, the claims made on that website are merely 'their' interpretations of new scientific data. Plants are fascinating and beautiful in their own right, there is no need to exaggerate there abilities.
I don't relate consciousness to intelligence, i relate it more to awareness. To even have some small degree of awareness would make the plant or any other living thing a conscious being.

There are sound levels that we as humans can not hear... why not levels of consciousness? Just because we do not fully understand it yet does not mean that it exists.

Plants have evolved along with humans, but unlike humans they still have an amazing capacity to evolve further. Indeed, given the right environment cannabis could well evolve into a perennial tree in just a few short months. Indeed, cannabis can evolve to extremes of environment not witnessed on this planet today. I'm speaking of UV radiation... I've done this test myself.

Why do plants not like certain people? Now this is true, I have witnessed it. Some people, no matter what they do just can't get their plants to like them. Obviously this could be logically answered in any way you please, but there is some room to suggest that this might be fact.

There is still a long way to go before we fully understand the workings of plants.
 

porchmonkey4life

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"Why do plants not like certain people? Now this is true, I have witnessed it. Some people, no matter what they do just can't get their plants to like them. Obviously this could be logically answered in any way you please, but there is some room to suggest that this might be fact."

I have read scientific articles on how plants respond to certain vibrations such as those produced by music. There have been many experiments that have show that classical music, for example, promotes the synthesis of plant proteins and results in healthier plants than controls-including rock music and other, types of music that are less predictable in dynamics.

I've also read about things like chi flow, kundalini energy and chakras. These eastern concepts are gaining more support in the health fields, and even Psychology. Probably the reason why plants don't like certain people is for the same reasons as they don't like certain types of music. They are getting 'bad vibes' from those people in a sense. Have you ever spent time with a miserable person and notice how their 'negative energy' seems to make you feel bad? I'm not trying to make the argument for emotionality in plants, but when talking about 'intelligence' and 'conscious awareness,' I think the idea should be addressed. What are emotions really, but simply physical responses to external stimuli, right? Why is it that we consider the structures and functions associated with emotional cognition/regulation to be 'higher cognitive functions,' when, to a significant degree, the same primitive 'emotional' responses are seen in plants? There's certainly more scientific research needed in this area, not only in plant biology but in Psychology.
 

natmoon

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Anything thats alive and grows has a consciousness and an awareness.
Just because something is not as highly evolved or as sophisticated as us we cannot assume that it feels nothing or thinks nothing.

I believe that all life is aware on its own level including plants.
My plants do what i ask them to:mrgreen:
 

Titania

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:mrgreen:

Well now I have a problem with your definition that only man has intelligence. All living things have intelligence, it just falls into degrees. one man might be more intelligent than another, does this mean the less intelligent man is not intelligent?

The paper is an actual scientific paper, although the title has been changed to suit the website theme.

The article goes on in some detail... maybe you could read it and pick out where the guys are wrong?

I also take extreme offence to the 'pothead' remark. You do realise where you are?

Sorry skunk I meant no offence by the term 'pot head', I simply meant that the paper is biased in that regard. I am concerned that you genuinely don't seem to see the dividing line between humans and animals though. When you talk about intelligence, in the sense that organisms can learn and remember, that is correct. However, in the human sense, it means to be able to interpret information in a logical way, to have an understanding of how things work and to recognize ones place in the universe. Intelligence does fall into degrees, but it is in two different leagues when it comes to referring them to animals or humans. Plants don't even do things that the lower animals do such as playing, hunting, observing ect. they grow, reproduce and then die. I can't remember the last time I listened to a plant playing a piano sonata, or painting a picture. It makes me laugh how you describe a plant as being 'aware', and that it responds almost with emotion, and then you mercilously cut it down and smoke it. How humane of you.:mrgreen:
 

Titania

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Anything thats alive and grows has a consciousness and an awareness.
Just because something is not as highly evolved or as sophisticated as us we cannot assume that it feels nothing or thinks nothing.

I believe that all life is aware on its own level including plants.
My plants do what i ask them to:mrgreen:

You may want to look up the definition consciousness. You believe you say? Well my gran believes in ghosts, both your arguments have the same evidence.
 

Titania

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[quote=porchmonkey4life;546381
I have read scientific articles on how plants respond to certain vibrations such as those produced by music. There have been many experiments that have show that classical music, for example, promotes the synthesis of plant proteins and results in healthier plants than controls-including rock music and other, types of music that are less predictable in dynamics.


Humm, I had a similar discussion about this a while ago. Someone told me that on a program called Myth Busters, they did the same experiment and the plants that were played Rock music did the best, so that blows your argument right out of the water. Most of these so called experiments have be done by people who wanted the results to be something like what your suggesting. The only thing I have heard in favour of this case that sounds logical, is that the sound waves deter insects that might eat the foliage ect.
 

closet.cult

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i would say a shrimp is more alive then any plant (with the exception of the main eating plant in your avatar, skunk). and yet, shrimps lack a nervous system and therefor are eaten by many vegitarians who believe they feel no pain.

i appreciate the intent of these studies, but there is a clear line between plants and animals. conscienseness and awareness are terms that don't apply to plants, IMO.

good read though. i'd like to hear more of their findings as it would educate us further on plant biology and phenotypes.
 

natmoon

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You may want to look up the definition consciousness. You believe you say? Well my gran believes in ghosts, both your arguments have the same evidence.
You may want to look up.
You assume to much.

You have worked nothing out for yourself,just like a robot,you assume and absorb everything from preprogrammed writings that you BELIEVE must be true.
Dont assume or aim your smart assed remarks at me when you obviously know nothing.

Everything is alive boy,get of your skeptic horse and find out some things for yourself before you assume to much.
My level of intellect is far above your casual remarks and assumptions of me being a fool that believes in stupid nonsense.

Sanctimonious monkey:blsmoke:
 

Titania

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You may want to look up.
You assume to much.

You have worked nothing out for yourself, just like a robot you assume and absorb everything from preprogrammed writings that you BELIEVE must be true.
Don't assume or aim your smart arsed remarks at me when you obviously know nothing.

Everything is alive boy, get of your skeptic horse and find out some things for yourself before you assume to much.
My level of intellect is far above your casual remarks and assumptions of me being a fool that believes in stupid nonsense.

Sanctimonious monkey:blsmoke:
Well I didn't anticipate such a hostile reply, but obviously you don't like people arguing against your ideas. The only thing I'm skeptical about now is wether you are the product of incest, because I have never heard such a moronic statement in my life. Firstly, you know nothing about me, so I'm unclear as to why you insulted me by saying I haven't worked out anything myself. In fact alot of what each individual knows stems from facts, ideas and opinions of others, but you wouldn't know that because I doubt you've ever picked up a book in your life. Secondly, you said: " Everything is alive", are you implying that a rock is alive? That's the kind of dribble that comes from people who's only mental stimulation comes from taking drugs. Oh and 'your intellect' LOL, I would have more stimulating conversation with a dead dog! Bloody Hippy.:evil:
 

natmoon

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Well I didn't anticipate such a hostile reply, but obviously you don't like people arguing against your ideas. The only thing I'm skeptical about now is wether you are the product of incest, because I have never heard such a moronic statement in my life. Firstly, you know nothing about me, so I'm unclear as to why you insulted me by saying I haven't worked out anything myself. In fact alot of what each individual knows stems from facts, ideas and opinions of others, but you wouldn't know that because I doubt you've ever picked up a book in your life. Secondly, you said: " Everything is alive", are you implying that a rock is alive? That's the kind of dribble that comes from people who's only mental stimulation comes from taking drugs. Oh and 'your intellect' LOL, I would have more stimulating conversation with a dead dog! Bloody Hippy.:evil:
As i cannot argue properly in case i get banned i will just say this.
You did not argue you compared me to a stupid old granny who believes in ghosts.
You veil your crap in polite patronizing insults.
You are nothing and worthless to me,you understand nothing and assume everything:mrgreen::spew:on you:mrgreen:
 

hybrid

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eh the only thing that irks me about your definition is the part about understanding facts.

Todays fact is tomorrows laugh. What we dare to dream sometimes becomes reality.

Long ago it was a "fact" that the earth was flat.

Long ago it was a "fact" that the heavens revolved around the earth and so forth.
 
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