what are the most cost effective organic nutrients from veg to flower?

poplars

poplars

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I'm going to be doing a medium-large outdoor grow (sig) and I decided to go 100% organic this year...

but I don't want to spend all my money on some watered down shit that will be gone in 2 months, I want to buy all the nutrients I need for the whole year in the beginning so I don't have to fuck around with it later...

anyone with good experience using organic nutrients for outdoor growing would be greatly appreciated to give me some tips on the most cost effective liquid fertilizers from veg to flowering...

I'm willing to spend up to 150 dollars on the liquid nutrients ALONE.... much more money is going to buying the scripts again and prepping the soil..


so any help anyone here can offer I'll GREATLY appreciate, otherwise I'm gonna be diving into this alone.
 
Pipe Dream

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I would just use organic soil amendments like guanos etc. You could make teas but IDK if thats really a viable option for your outdoor grow.
 
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CheebaNinja

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you can use a large 55 gallon blue barrel (like ones used to hold corn syrup to make sodas) and turn it into a rain barrel, you can also put things into it to make a tea and with a spigot at the bottom you will have a liquid you can feed your plants. all natural. since rain always collects in it and you add organic materials once in a while it's an endless supply. you're recycling, putting less water into the sewer system that doesnt need it, using less water from the water company (free water!) and the organics are free too (grassing clippings and such turned into a compost).

look up compost tea. its easy and almost free to produce.
 
poplars

poplars

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I'm not too interested in improvising my own organic food... not that pro with organics yet... I'd rather go with something that has a good formula that is potent and will last me the whole year with large plants.. thanks for the suggestions though... anything is appreciated.

I mean I"m adding a LOT to my soil already, but I know it wont be enough to go through the entire grow without nutrients.. so I'm just trying to find potent organic liquid nutrients that kick ass for the price...
 
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CheebaNinja

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poplars said:
I'm not too interested in improvising my own organic food... not that pro with organics yet... I'd rather go with something that has a good formula that is potent and will last me the whole year with large plants.. thanks for the suggestions though... anything is appreciated.

I mean I"m adding a LOT to my soil already, but I know it wont be enough to go through the entire grow without nutrients.. so I'm just trying to find potent organic liquid nutrients that kick ass for the price...
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it's hard to be cheap and still get the good stuff so to speak. i work with a tight budget so i improvise and try to make what i cannot buy and to be honest i prefer doing it since i know what i put into what i make.

beyond this i'm not much good to you on this as i try to do it all myself. if you find something, let us know.
 
poplars

poplars

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CheebaNinja said:
it's hard to be cheap and still get the good stuff so to speak. i work with a tight budget so i improvise and try to make what i cannot buy and to be honest i prefer doing it since i know what i put into what i make.

beyond this i'm not much good to you on this as i try to do it all myself. if you find something, let us know.
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I mean I want my plants to be fed as good as th ey were when I was doing chemical nutrients.... when I started bumping it up more I saw amazing things happen, so I don't want to under-feed under any circumstances when it comes to flowering.... if you saw the results I got last year with chemical nutrients you'd understand why....

like I said I'm willing to pay atleast 150 bucks for some good potent nutrients if anyone knows of any.... maybe next year I'll try teas and stuff, but like I said I have a hard time with that because it seems like they'd be underfed by comparison of a potent organic nutrient or chemical nutrients.
 
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CheebaNinja

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poplars said:
I mean I want my plants to be fed as good as th ey were when I was doing chemical nutrients.... when I started bumping it up more I saw amazing things happen, so I don't want to under-feed under any circumstances when it comes to flowering.... if you saw the results I got last year with chemical nutrients you'd understand why....

like I said I'm willing to pay atleast 150 bucks for some good potent nutrients if anyone knows of any.... maybe next year I'll try teas and stuff, but like I said I have a hard time with that because it seems like they'd be underfed by comparison of a potent organic nutrient or chemical nutrients.
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not necessarily. if you make a compost tea properly, it can be as good as chemical nutrients. it's just a lot of people who havent done organics get it wrong (i certainly did at first) and give it up thinking organics dont work. plants have been around for millions of years before man made chemicals so plants dont really need them. of course i carry the philosophy that i want my gardening efforts to be as natural as possible so i dont push for max yields, just nice healthy plants.

but you have an open mind in the future and that's good. i think you'll find it better to deal with since the chemicals you handle can effect your health over time. but either method works if you get what you're after. i'm just making suggestions. you can also do it on a smaller scale from a 55 gallon rain barrel. i just mentioned it since it can feed a backyard garden easily.

150 should be plenty to get what you need. have you searched on google for natural/organic nutrients? bat poo as mentioned is a good one and you should be able to get it within your budget no problem. i just dont know how much though. you can get horse poo from a local source for free, that would work also. look on craigslist in the listings for free horse manure and you might find some.
 
poplars

poplars

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CheebaNinja said:
not necessarily. if you make a compost tea properly, it can be as good as chemical nutrients. it's just a lot of people who havent done organics get it wrong (i certainly did at first) and give it up thinking organics dont work. plants have been around for millions of years before man made chemicals so plants dont really need them. of course i carry the philosophy that i want my gardening efforts to be as natural as possible so i dont push for max yields, just nice healthy plants.

but you have an open mind in the future and that's good. i think you'll find it better to deal with since the chemicals you handle can effect your health over time. but either method works if you get what you're after. i'm just making suggestions. you can also do it on a smaller scale from a 55 gallon rain barrel. i just mentioned it since it can feed a backyard garden easily.

150 should be plenty to get what you need. have you searched on google for natural/organic nutrients? bat poo as mentioned is a good one and you should be able to get it within your budget no problem. i just dont know how much though. you can get horse poo from a local source for free, that would work also. look on craigslist in the listings for free horse manure and you might find some.
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well I live in a farming community so these things are easy to do....

but my buddy does organics as well and he prefers the nutrients you buy, he is growing on a scale much larger than mine, but the quality is exactly what I want, hence the reason for me wanting to go with potent liquid organics...


I really LOVE the idea of doing organic teas and stuff, I just don't think I'm organized enough to do that this year, I mean th is is the first year I'm tilling my soil with holes under it, putting all sorts of good shit into the soil... there will likely be enough nutrients in the soil to feed for a good month.

bat guano would probably be a lil more expensive around here since it's not easy to get... there is a cave that I could get fresh guano from but I've heard the shit is pretty dangerous to mess around with because of parasitic bacteria . . . .


but thanks for your insight I greatly appreciate it. I still want to do the liquid nutrients this year though because of my lack of organization... maybe next year I"ll have the concentrations down and the method down to do it completely independently.

just for reference this is the bud I grew last year in the same plot but with just holes.... this is the reason I want to make sure the organics I go with are potent and cost effective..so I can match my quality with last year but have healthier plants and smoother smoke...

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CheebaNinja

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beautiful nuggets and the plant looks wonderful in 417.

i'd say make horse poo tea or a tea of multiple manures like chicken horse cow and bat. and please dont mess with bat shit in a cave, you can get sick.

there oughta be some stuff in or by the gallon you can buy. i did a quick search and this was the first result. http://www.ahlgrows.com/organicnutrients.html

i looked for organic liquid nutrients and got that.
 
poplars

poplars

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CheebaNinja said:
beautiful nuggets and the plant looks wonderful in 417.

i'd say make horse poo tea or a tea of multiple manures like chicken horse cow and bat. and please dont mess with bat shit in a cave, you can get sick.

there oughta be some stuff in or by the gallon you can buy. i did a quick search and this was the first result. http://www.ahlgrows.com/organicnutrients.html

i looked for organic liquid nutrients and got that.
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thanks I was not planning on going into the cave don't worry about that....

I will make teas if someone can post the links to concentrations and resulting ratios and shit... I would love such information.

I wont go full teas this year, but I will start using them atleast...
 
bobbypyn

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I've said it before; I'll say it again... best buy on earth for bloom nutes. all organic, all the time, Texas produced.

I make teas with this as my base addin a little unsulfured molasses. never a deficiency, never a burn. all WIN.
 

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poplars

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bobbypyn said:
I've said it before; I'll say it again... best buy on earth for bloom nutes. all organic, all the time, Texas produced.
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oOOOOOO

that looks fucking awesome thank you so much.... that looks cheap enough!

dank organic bloom nutrients in powdered form...fuck yeah...

keep the suggestions coming this could become a great info thread for people who are new to organics as well!
 
mellokitty

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well, based on my experience with organic ferts:
earth juice: cost-effective but not outstanding performance (not that it wasn't *good, we've just had *better)
dr. wegener's liquid: outstanding performance but not particularly cost-effective
grotek: outstanding performance, more cost effective than dr. wegener's, but not all of their product is 100% organic so you have to read labels when you're shopping. (a lot of it is 'earthsafe' though, which i believe means it's over 95% but under the required 98% to be classed as 'organic'). speaking of soil conditioning, they have an 100% organic one called "black pearl" that i've heard great things about.
there was a great one-parter called 'GRANNY something's something-something' (<-sorry stonerbrain) which i only used sporadically for one show because my partner at the time didn't approve of organic ferts but ALL my organic grower friends swore by - tbh i wouldn't even know if they're still in business 'cuz that was over a decade ago.
(i'm personally fond of superthrive for OD but it's neither organic nor cheap.)

i don't know what 'medium-large' means (you know, cuz 'large is subjective, but it sounds like you mean business....), or how long the growing season is in norcal (probably waaaay longer than here), or what sort of earth you have there / how often you need to feed, so i'm not comfortable saying you should choose one over the other given your specific budget. if you have a good relationship with the folks at wherever it is you buy your nutes they'll tell you what's worth the price and what's not.
and finally: pricewise, ebay can apparently be your friend too.
 
angelfish8706

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on our current grow we started out with age old (12-6-6) and organic nute, and the plants really seemed to like it. we switched to chemical though, along with some blackstrap mollasses, and have had good results, but it's a lot of trouble figuring out which plants can handle the nutes cuz some of them got some burnt edges and others just soaked it up. does using organic nutes lessen the likelihood of burning your plants? also, i saw someone said they go for healthy plants not maz yield, which is totally understandable, but does using organic nutes cut down on the yield much? and as a last question, we have some clones and a new round of seedlings going that are getting just water right now (we've been adding peroxide because we still have kind of a bug problem, and we've got mosquito dunks crushed up in the top layer of soil..) but they were getting clone-x seedling and clone nutrient (1-0.4-1) for this first part of their lives and some of the seedlings and about half the clones liked it, but the rest protested, so we went to straight water...so the question is, how would they react if we switched to organic nutes, would a larger percentage of plants thrive rather than protest?
 
poplars

poplars

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mellokitty said:
well, based on my experience with organic ferts:
earth juice: cost-effective but not outstanding performance (not that it wasn't *good, we've just had *better)
dr. wegener's liquid: outstanding performance but not particularly cost-effective
grotek: outstanding performance, more cost effective than dr. wegener's, but not all of their product is 100% organic so you have to read labels when you're shopping. (a lot of it is 'earthsafe' though, which i believe means it's over 95% but under the required 98% to be classed as 'organic'). speaking of soil conditioning, they have an 100% organic one called "black pearl" that i've heard great things about.
there was a great one-parter called 'GRANNY something's something-something' (<-sorry stonerbrain) which i only used sporadically for one show because my partner at the time didn't approve of organic ferts but ALL my organic grower friends swore by - tbh i wouldn't even know if they're still in business 'cuz that was over a decade ago.
(i'm personally fond of superthrive for OD but it's neither organic nor cheap.)

i don't know what 'medium-large' means (you know, cuz 'large is subjective, but it sounds like you mean business....), or how long the growing season is in norcal (probably waaaay longer than here), or what sort of earth you have there / how often you need to feed, so i'm not comfortable saying you should choose one over the other given your specific budget. if you have a good relationship with the folks at wherever it is you buy your nutes they'll tell you what's worth the price and what's not.
and finally: pricewise, ebay can apparently be your friend too.
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very interesting thanks... I have a buddy hooking me up with the dankest organic soil so that's covered.

I will look into those organic juices you listed. thanks.


as far as the size of the plants, we're probably talking 12 5 foot bushy heavy indicas with a few indica/sativa hybrids.... the tilled soil goes about 8 inches down, then they each have a 2.5 foot wide by 3 feet deep hole..

our season starts around late may to mid june, ends from early october to the 15th of october... we have low humidity during the day (15-20%) with lots of sun all day, there is typically very few cloudy days during the summer as it is like a high mountain desert here, I live in the valley which is at 2900 feet.

hope that's enough detail for you.

keep the info coming it's VERY beneficial to have all this come together in a simplistic thread like this.


also there's a picture of the tilled soil in my grow journal in my sig...

the soil is mostly clay, darkish grey-brown clay. this was a volcanic region so that may have some effect on the soil, but for the most part it's closer to PH neutral.
 
angelfish8706

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we used a lot of superthrive in our current grow also, the plants really seemed to like that, and you only need a very small amount of it.
 
poplars

poplars

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angelfish8706 said:
on our current grow we started out with age old (12-6-6) and organic nute, and the plants really seemed to like it. we switched to chemical though, along with some blackstrap mollasses, and have had good results, but it's a lot of trouble figuring out which plants can handle the nutes cuz some of them got some burnt edges and others just soaked it up. does using organic nutes lessen the likelihood of burning your plants? also, i saw someone said they go for healthy plants not maz yield, which is totally understandable, but does using organic nutes cut down on the yield much? and as a last question, we have some clones and a new round of seedlings going that are getting just water right now (we've been adding peroxide because we still have kind of a bug problem, and we've got mosquito dunks crushed up in the top layer of soil..) but they were getting clone-x seedling and clone nutrient (1-0.4-1) for this first part of their lives and some of the seedlings and about half the clones liked it, but the rest protested, so we went to straight water...so the question is, how would they react if we switched to organic nutes, would a larger percentage of plants thrive rather than protest?
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sorry but this is kind of thread jacking... I'm trying to find a cost effective organic nute... you're asking for all sorts of things like how they react etc..... organic nutes are natural to the plant, in correct concentrations yeilds will be GREAT.... don't worry sorry you're kinda in the wrong place but I"m sure someone will answer anyways... just don't want to distract from the main point of this thread.... which you are...
 
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