Indoor Selective Breeding

Brick Top

New Member
you do know you can vert her back to full flower right. if its a herm from the start its genitics.
Your phraseology left me a bit unsure of what you were saying ... but if you were saying that a "real true pure" female without any male genetics in can go from veg to flower back to veg and then to flower and not turn hermi .... that is what I said and how females plants that are used to make seeds should be tested to see if they have the hermi trait in them or not.

If you said something different, I apologize but I was incapable of deciphering it.

If something turns hermi there can be different causes. There are natural hermis that are almost always sterile and cannot pollinate females, but they are rare.

It can be as you called it genetics, but that can also be in part because the female used to make seeds had some male genetics in it and it could turn on it's own or it could take stress depending on the amount and dominance of the male genetics.


buts if she in flower 3 weeks before the first nuts, then its on the grower.

It might be able to be stated like that but it is not always as in a pure error. At times it is a pure last ditch survival mode that conditions most growers never heard about or considered, or normally grow under.

I read the results of research done on cannabis plants on some island, a location where they were growing wild. It was on the top of a cliff on the leeward side of the island. One year the researchers removed every single male plant before they produced and spread pollen leaving only female plants.

Most of the females on roughly one third of the windward side of the group turned hermi. Roughly one third of the middle third of the group of female plants turned hermi. None of the female plants on the far side of the group, on the far leeward side turned.

This was done several times over several seasons with pretty much the same results. The conclusion was that the constant amount of wind on all female plants that had reached a stage of growth without becoming pollinated turned ... and their genetics evidently knew/told them that it was most important for the plants that would turn to be those on the side of the group that the wind normally came from so the pollen would then spread through the entire group .. and that it was most important that more of the plants on the far windward side of the group turn than those in the middle or on the far leeward side of the group.

Plants have one and only one function ... to perpetuate the species and be it by genetics that came about through thousands and thousands and thousands of years of evolution or the idea of God or Mother Nature or Yahweh or some form of intelligent design, if not pollinated by a certain stage of growth any number of different conditions can cause one or more plants to turn. It is a last ditch survival mode tactic so seeds are produced and the species continues.




plants tend to want to grow male cause its easier.

I have never read that in any credible source. Wouldn't that sort of go against genetics deciding what a plant is going to be?



but can easily be put into full flower again(unless hermophidization
has sprung to deep) then your screwed lol. lotta hostility here, it started from a harmless question.
and whitewidow is not a troll bruv, just srong threoys. but you do tend to get defensive often.
idk,


Again, your phraseology left me unsure of what you were attempting to say there.


there no need to tell anyone there "wrong" even if they are....
I totally disagree considering sites like this are supposed to be sites where true facts and proven growing knowledge is shared. If someone states something that is incorrect, they should be corrected. If not they could easily mislead someone who knows as little or even less than the person making the incorrect statement and that could cause someone problems or even cost them an entire crop.

This is not a site to share opinions and beliefs and it is not a debating society and it is not for shared philosophical wondering. If you read a message where someone asked what the pH of their soil should be and read the following message and someone said it should be 2.8 or 9.4 or something would you say they are wrong or just let it slide and either leave it up to someone else to say the answer was wrong or just sit back and let the person who asked the question kill off their plants?

If it is something opinion based, like is brand 'X' designer soil really better than brand 'Y' designer soil, when in fact the differences between the two are so minor that there really isn't a difference and one person says brand 'X' and another person says brand 'Y', or a case where someone's preference for say AK47 being the best herb and someone else's choice is Kali Mist .. then I would agree there would be no reason to say one or the other, in either example, would be wrong.

But when it comes to growing facts ... that is different. Something that is said that is wrong is just that, wrong, and in those cases it should be clearly stated that it is wrong and the person who said it was wrong.
 

Pipe Dream

Well-Known Member
wow you guys complicated things. I did it for first time today Hope it al went well. I was instructed to wait 5 mins so I did the thing and took a shower. Sprayed the shit and put em back in the flower room boom.
If your supplying seeds for commercial use than yeah you need to grow the healthiest seeds as many as possible so lower branches don't cut it I did some that were lower but recieve some light.
 

CultivationArt

Well-Known Member
let me clear things up a bit brick. sorry i was in a hurry typing, tend to do that alot.

on a plant wanting to grow male, i ment when you have male genos in a female plant (as you were sayin)
it tends to want to grow male.(thats honestly the best way i could put it..)

and yea i was talkin about re vegin a plant from flower to make sure its not carring any herm genes.
so when you do start the femenized repruduction prosess, you end up with the lowest % of herms possible.

sorry i was making it so confusing. i was basiclly just agreing with you.
 

jewgrow

Well-Known Member
Is the spraying of female plants (which would include their flowers) really necessary? I feel like it will only complicate things; the possibility of mold, and trichomes falling off the plant. A seed or two on another plant can't be too horrible, right?
 

Brick Top

New Member
Is the spraying of female plants (which would include their flowers) really necessary? I feel like it will only complicate things; the possibility of mold, and trichomes falling off the plant. A seed or two on another plant can't be too horrible, right?

If you have thick heavy dense buds, high humidity and little to no air movement, then yes the risk of mold from spraying/misting plants with water will increase ..... but you are not going to knock trichome heads off misting or spraying plants unless you use high pressure, the type of high pressure that would damage far more of a plant than just trichome heads.
 

CultivationArt

Well-Known Member
Mold?? Trichs fallen off... no.
that wont happen.. dont drench your plants 4 times a day, lightly
mist them once a day.

you know misting your plant even with out added hormones is kinda nessary.
it promote co2 intake, fresh air, and alot more growth.
mold is most worried after the harvest. as long as you dont keep your plants wet and let there
foliage completly dry youll be fine
 

CultivationArt

Well-Known Member
CultivationArt you should really look up sporopollenin.
haha yea im aware of it, lol
but it ONLY consits in soils and molds and algea.
the cell walls of a cannabis plant wont inhail this compound
unless some form a fungus has already started forming.
Basiclly stating you would be a retard to pollinate a plant
that has powdery mildow, algea on the media, of any kind of mold
forming period. For breeders this is the most number one rule.
NEVER POLLINATE a plant with any bacteria forming.

but yea, iv been aware of sporopollenin for some time now, lol

as far as mold growing on a plant thats flowering because you sprayed
it. No, you would have to keep it wet every day, and it could never dry.
now choped and hung your risks are much higher. Thats when you should be on top of mildow.
after the harvest.
 

jewgrow

Well-Known Member
The sporopollenin I was referring to coats the outside of pollen grains. Just for the reason to protect it from water. So getting your pollen wet isn't going to help, only increase chances of some type of disease; since water is a vector of most plant diseases.
 

CultivationArt

Well-Known Member
Oh, your refering to something diffrent.
but why on earth would you wet the pollen??

and water is the most used item for plants.
doesnt mean its the vector for illness.

i spray EVERYDAY my plants with a foliar spray. orginac sea kelp.
got mildo once ever, and that was when i was doing alot of hydro.
now im cocoa and soil, and 1 dwc bucket.
just dont sermerge them all the time. Everyone i here say "dont spray your plants.
it ruins them" over does it, and sprays the fuck otta them. like it rained 3 times a day.
remember your only tryin to mimic morning due. not hurricane katrina.
i use a water vap, 3.99 at the hydro spot, and 3 splirts cover the canopy, nice soft mist.
plants drink from there leaves too. its prolly the best way to direcly port nutrition to the plant.
(if your using some sorta foliar spray)
its when your plants immunity is weak, or dead (harvest)
is when diseases spike..
 

CultivationArt

Well-Known Member
what are you doing bro, really.

for that post, you are retarted.
troll somewhere else.

you prolly dont know a damn thing
on breeding. LMFAO.

thats why you insulted my buddy.
nothing else to say. feel huge man, your an internet troll ;)
hahaha

Dude you are retarded lol
 

ValleGrown

Well-Known Member
what are you doing bro, really.

for that post, you are retarted.
troll somewhere else.

you prolly dont know a damn thing
on breeding. LMFAO.

thats why you insulted my buddy.
nothing else to say. feel huge man, your an internet troll ;)
hahaha
How am I trolling? I have a decent picture of what breeding is. I'm giving it my first go at he moment. In no way was I trying to start shit. I just clearly watched bricktop clear things up for someone who apparently "knows" how to breed. After bricktop claims no experience won breeding and your friend apologizes for his poor verbage. Maybe he isn't familiar with bricktop cuz he knows his shit. When ever, however, to whoever. And the fact that he had to come up with a few different ways of explaining how "pollen reacts with female pistalattes (lol really high and having a moment with spelling) dude couldn't even see the question at NAND. Unless he just refused to look at the facts of what was being said don't call me a troll I haven't done anything wrong. All I've done is point out your "buddies" misfortune with reading.
 

CultivationArt

Well-Known Member
you called him a retard, thats trollin. coulda said he was wrong. or uneducated in the subject.
never the less. if it was toward me, id be pissed. why would you want to piss someone off (unless they done the same)
for no absolute reason. thats pitty. sorry for callin you a troll, thats a fat term.
and sorry for the "you know nothing about breeding"
i dont know that. but watch yourself on here. be the higher ;) person.
dont go name callin, thats little ass kids shit.

How am I trolling? I have a decent picture of what breeding is. I'm giving it my first go at he moment. In no way was I trying to start shit. I just clearly watched bricktop clear things up for someone who apparently "knows" how to breed. After bricktop claims no experience won breeding and your friend apologizes for his poor verbage. Maybe he isn't familiar with bricktop cuz he knows his shit. When ever, however, to whoever. And the fact that he had to come up with a few different ways of explaining how "pollen reacts with female pistalattes (lol really high and having a moment with spelling) dude couldn't even see the question at NAND. Unless he just refused to look at the facts of what was being said don't call me a troll I haven't done anything wrong. All I've done is point out your "buddies" misfortune with reading.
 

ValleGrown

Well-Known Member
My apologies. I'll be more aware of my phraseology. And how I direct things toward people. Honestly it was all in good fun. I tried to say it with some playful joking intention. So my bad dudes. I don't want any bad blood. Let alone a troll stamp on me lol
 

CultivationArt

Well-Known Member
awsome, at leaste you realized what you said and corrected it. i dig that, (no homo)
thats being the "HIGHER" person.
no stamp or bad blood, just an honest mistake.
easilly corrected,

thanks for the complament, it acually my own quote.
it speaks truth. no ones born dunking the ball, of throwing 60 yard bombs.



My apologies. I'll be more aware of my phraseology. And how I direct things toward people. Honestly it was all in good fun. I tried to say it with some playful joking intention. So my bad dudes. I don't want any bad blood. Let alone a troll stamp on me lol
 

Maximus cannabis

Active Member
awsome, at leaste you realized what you said and corrected it. i dig that, (no homo)
thats being the "HIGHER" person.
no stamp or bad blood, just an honest mistake.
easilly corrected,

thanks for the complament, it acually my own quote.
it speaks truth. no ones born dunking the ball, of throwing 60 yard bombs.
Ah,that quote is totally wrong and retarded!:finger::finger::dunce:

Lol Just kidding! Way to tense in here... :mrgreen:
 
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