Nooooo bro NO BLEACH!!!!!! Only to clean you resv and with 10% bleach added to your water to clean dont use for your plants get some 25% H202 or for now 3% peroxide h202 from the dollar store IMPORTANT!!!! (H202) I'll send you some threadds on Al b fuct read them all and you will be str8 good luck bro and do some research on this guy Al b fuct.
DWC Scrog Grow Extrema & El Monstre!
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https://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/399206-its-fuct-world.html
https://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/6592-get-harvest-every-2-weeks.html
Good Luck man read all this shit you cant go wrong!
https://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/6592-get-harvest-every-2-weeks.html
Good Luck man read all this shit you cant go wrong!
BluBerry
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Thanks Don, I'll have to read up on that but I read a few places that it wasn't bad for them.
This is part of a post that I read up on:
Do you think the majority of commercial hydroponic green house growers are wrong. They use chlorine at 4 ppm or higher added into the pipes feeding the irrigation spray heads so as to m not waster chlorine in the reservoirs through dissipation. I recommend 2.5 ppm as an initial treatment reduced to 0.5 ppm as a residual level of chlorine. Tap water is allowed to contain up to 4 ppm at customers faucets. Thousands of growers of mj use tap water without any removal of chlorine. 10's of thousands of people water their houseplants, flowers and lawns with water containing up to 4 ppm of chlorine. Plants can tolerate extremely high amounts of chlorine. They can not tolerate chloride. Fish can tolerate high levels of chloride but not chlorine. Salt is sodium chloride. Plants can not tolerate high levels of chloride Caphese.
Hydrogen peroxide is a much stronger oxidizer than chlorine. It is much easier to cause problems using hydrogen peroxide than to use clorox bleach.
Too many myths in forums and on the web. Have you heard of Pythoff. It is sold in two versions. Professional/commercial made with chloromine or hobby grade made with chlorine.
I gave mixing directions based upon known strengths of Clorox bleach and flairform Pythoff, the largest seller of a chlorine treatment of root rot. It is the same strength used by most commercial greenhouse growers.
H2O2 can be used to kill the bacterium causing root rot and it will oxidize the rotten roots. However, it is an extremely strong oxidizer it is much easier to screw up with H2O2. It also provides so residual oxidation/disinfection effect. It is also not readily testable in a home as is chlorine. They even sell cheap swimming pool chlorine test kits that can measure chlorine levels in the water. There is no cheap test for whatever you used enough, to little or too much H2O2.
The pythoff bacterium is a common anerobic bacteria. Any where there is a moist warm environment without oxygen you'll find the bacterium. The bacterium however is easily killed by chlorine, a relatively weak oxidizer.
I think I will try it out and stick with the bleach for now. I have not heard any bad affects on using the bleach plus it's alot cheaper than the other stuff. There is chlorine in the water we drink everyday. About 8 drops per gallon or about 4 PPM is what they recommend for whiter roots and less algae.
This is part of a post that I read up on:
Do you think the majority of commercial hydroponic green house growers are wrong. They use chlorine at 4 ppm or higher added into the pipes feeding the irrigation spray heads so as to m not waster chlorine in the reservoirs through dissipation. I recommend 2.5 ppm as an initial treatment reduced to 0.5 ppm as a residual level of chlorine. Tap water is allowed to contain up to 4 ppm at customers faucets. Thousands of growers of mj use tap water without any removal of chlorine. 10's of thousands of people water their houseplants, flowers and lawns with water containing up to 4 ppm of chlorine. Plants can tolerate extremely high amounts of chlorine. They can not tolerate chloride. Fish can tolerate high levels of chloride but not chlorine. Salt is sodium chloride. Plants can not tolerate high levels of chloride Caphese.
Hydrogen peroxide is a much stronger oxidizer than chlorine. It is much easier to cause problems using hydrogen peroxide than to use clorox bleach.
Too many myths in forums and on the web. Have you heard of Pythoff. It is sold in two versions. Professional/commercial made with chloromine or hobby grade made with chlorine.
I gave mixing directions based upon known strengths of Clorox bleach and flairform Pythoff, the largest seller of a chlorine treatment of root rot. It is the same strength used by most commercial greenhouse growers.
H2O2 can be used to kill the bacterium causing root rot and it will oxidize the rotten roots. However, it is an extremely strong oxidizer it is much easier to screw up with H2O2. It also provides so residual oxidation/disinfection effect. It is also not readily testable in a home as is chlorine. They even sell cheap swimming pool chlorine test kits that can measure chlorine levels in the water. There is no cheap test for whatever you used enough, to little or too much H2O2.
The pythoff bacterium is a common anerobic bacteria. Any where there is a moist warm environment without oxygen you'll find the bacterium. The bacterium however is easily killed by chlorine, a relatively weak oxidizer.
I think I will try it out and stick with the bleach for now. I have not heard any bad affects on using the bleach plus it's alot cheaper than the other stuff. There is chlorine in the water we drink everyday. About 8 drops per gallon or about 4 PPM is what they recommend for whiter roots and less algae.
BluBerry
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Day 7:
Since transplanting in the hydroton 1 Extrema is kinda laid over. I think when I was transplanting it the roots may have gotten damaged or hurt and sent it into shock. I can see the root trying to come out of the bottom so I'm hoping she will make a recovery. If not I will either germ another seed or just keep with the other 3 and hope at least two are female. Will have to see how she does in the next day or so. The other 3 are doing fine though. I added about 3-5 lbs of ice to the res last night to drop it from 74 to 66. It was still 66 when I checked it this morning. I will have to get me some good plastic bottles to put in there cuz the ice raises my water level. Which was not a problem this time. It lower temp and PPMs just a little.
Room Temp 76: RH 42% : Res Temp 66 : pH 5.9.. Just sucks that I have to leave the cab door cracked about 6 inches or the heat will build up in there to 83. Gotta find somewhere to exhaust to other than back in the same bedroom. Maybe thru the floor of the trailer. Not sure yet!
Since transplanting in the hydroton 1 Extrema is kinda laid over. I think when I was transplanting it the roots may have gotten damaged or hurt and sent it into shock. I can see the root trying to come out of the bottom so I'm hoping she will make a recovery. If not I will either germ another seed or just keep with the other 3 and hope at least two are female. Will have to see how she does in the next day or so. The other 3 are doing fine though. I added about 3-5 lbs of ice to the res last night to drop it from 74 to 66. It was still 66 when I checked it this morning. I will have to get me some good plastic bottles to put in there cuz the ice raises my water level. Which was not a problem this time. It lower temp and PPMs just a little.
Room Temp 76: RH 42% : Res Temp 66 : pH 5.9.. Just sucks that I have to leave the cab door cracked about 6 inches or the heat will build up in there to 83. Gotta find somewhere to exhaust to other than back in the same bedroom. Maybe thru the floor of the trailer. Not sure yet!
IDK bout that my man I learn all my shit from the best, trust me read that shit. Hey Me personally I dont stress my water temp for my resv at all just about once a day I put a frozen block in but not even everyday just when I feel the resv, and its not cool I do it. Now cloning aeroponnics you have to stress that they need cold.I send you a link to resv temps also, got some good info in there too good luck bro and get some H202!
BluBerry
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Update: Well I figured I should have started the seedlings in a bigger cup and let them go for a little longer. 1 Extrema died and 1 El Monstre is looking close to it. I think it's because the roots weren't established enough in the soil. My other extrema has about an 8 inch root hanging from the pot and is looking good. I am germinating 3 more seeds just in case these others die as well. I am gonna order some starter plugs or something that I can put seed directly into and in hydroton. Not sure if I wanna do rockwool tho. I hear kinda mixed reviews about that. I will check into that H2O2 as well. Once these germ they will be about week and half behind my Extrema but I think it should even out in the long run.
wyteberrywidow
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Im subbed i want to see how the extrema does...Ive been eying that strain
BluBerry
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Down to 1 El Monstre and 1 Extrema. The other two died from premature transplanting. Extrema has more roots that are starting to work out of the net pot. Another couple days and they should really take off. El Monstre I am hoping it will get its root in the water here shortly so I dont have to keep hand feeding it from the top. Guess that's why people make drippers. Lol. Just sucks that when I get these other germed and put in the hydroton these two I have in there now will have enough roots to where the pots wont need to be submerged in the water and when I put the new ones in then they will prob need to be submerged. Is this gonna affect my roots on these that are in there by being submerged until new ones take off? This is a minor mistake but one that could have easily been avoided. I ordered some rapid rooter plugs last night so they should be in within the next couple days. I have a couple seeds in germ so they should be bout the same time. I'm not sure of exactly how to do the plugs but my intention is to. Since I don't have a dome is to either get one from wal mart or to take a tupperware container and make a holding tray for them to stand up in the container then have a small amount of water 1/4 inch maybe. Just moist not wet. Then put clear saran wrap over the top of the container to hold in moisture. I would think that would serve the same purpose as the dome as far as humidity and moisture. Anyone used these plugs in the same kinda method? Do I have the right idea here? Let them sprout and stay in there for a few days then put plug and all in the hydroton. And that's its new home. Sounds easy enough.
I just checked again and my airstones have come detached from the bottom of the res. What can I use to anchor them to the bottom where they will stay? Suctions cups didn't work, liquid nails didn't work for over a week.
I just checked again and my airstones have come detached from the bottom of the res. What can I use to anchor them to the bottom where they will stay? Suctions cups didn't work, liquid nails didn't work for over a week.
Dang man sorry to here bout that I was in the same boat man your doing everything right tho getting rooter plugs etc drippers sounds good tho to, Yeah I had to submerge my newly seedlings until they got enough roots so the water can hit them, But dame you got me thinking of drippers now instead of aeropnics sprayers on the bottom hmmm I may look into that what you think? Yea you got a pretty good idea on the sproting thing. I have a seeding tray from Kmart put my seeds in the rooter plug and hand water with a heat pad on the bottom they love mild heat they sprout fast, I water my seeds about 2-3 times a day depend on how fast they dry just dont let them get dry! You dont need to worry bout a humid dome, altho it will help, good luck bro
wyteberrywidow
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Damn dude when i was using a dwc i would use the silicone for fish tanks to keep the air stones at the bottom..Hope that helps
BluBerry
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Ok so I am down to the 1 Extrema. The El Monstre died also. Its roots werent touching the water even with the pot being submerged and I cant seem to water them while im working so we had a big get together with all of our family and close friends for the ceremony. It was a sad day. Jk didnt have any ceremony or anything just threw them in the trash. Thats why I have 3 more seeds in germ tho cuz I figured they were all gonna die except the Extrema. I lowered the water level a little to where I have an air space between the pot and water now. I have one root that is in the water a good 3 inches and starting to get about 3 more coming from the pot. The plant looks good and healthy tho. It is 9 days old since the day it sprouted and has its first set of leaves that still have not surfaced fully. I see these other plants on here with 2 or 3 sets of leaves on day 10. Feel like shes a little behind. These others should sprout a little faster and better once they are in the rapid rooters.
I got me some PVC Cement / Plumbers Glue to try on my airstones and see if I can get them to hold finally. They still bubble just not as good. Ill try th e silicone if the plumbers cement doesnt work. Ill take some pics in a day or so. Maybe Ill have a little more growth other than fatter leaves.
Temp: 78 RH: 41% Res Temp: 68 PPM: 330 pH: 5.9
I will fill my res a little different this time. Fill about 1/2-3/4 of water then add nutes and check PPM then add more water and level out the PPM. Instead of fill tank most of the way up and add nutes then have high PPM and cant add more water. I may end up changing from Rubbermaid to 5 gallon buckets withing the next res change. Id like to find out which are female before I switch them but that may be too late in to do that since they would be attached to the screen before I flower. So within another 3 weeks I may have them in buckets. I plan on making them myself so I gotta search around for a good setup design.
I got me some PVC Cement / Plumbers Glue to try on my airstones and see if I can get them to hold finally. They still bubble just not as good. Ill try th e silicone if the plumbers cement doesnt work. Ill take some pics in a day or so. Maybe Ill have a little more growth other than fatter leaves.
Temp: 78 RH: 41% Res Temp: 68 PPM: 330 pH: 5.9
I will fill my res a little different this time. Fill about 1/2-3/4 of water then add nutes and check PPM then add more water and level out the PPM. Instead of fill tank most of the way up and add nutes then have high PPM and cant add more water. I may end up changing from Rubbermaid to 5 gallon buckets withing the next res change. Id like to find out which are female before I switch them but that may be too late in to do that since they would be attached to the screen before I flower. So within another 3 weeks I may have them in buckets. I plan on making them myself so I gotta search around for a good setup design.
BluBerry
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Changed res water and glued the airstones down once again. Hopefully they will stay this time. Also added white covers to go over the top of the net pots to keep the light from seeping thru the stones.
pH 6.0 PPM 250 down from 350 so I feel a little better about that. It may still be high but I haven't seen any signs of burn yet. I checked my seeds that are in germ and all 3 of them have cracked on 2nd day. Both strains seem to be real fast so I think once I get them dialed in and the new ones started they should take off. High hopes
Day 9:
I would think it would be a little bigger than this. But hey it's still alive and doing fine. I know my camera doesn't take good high quality pics up close.
Check out this link if you are interested in DWC. I haven't read it all yet but it looks in depth and knowledgeable.
http://www.420magazine.com/forums/deep-water-culture-dwc/111069-deep-water-culture-tutorial-sh-kit-diy.html
pH 6.0 PPM 250 down from 350 so I feel a little better about that. It may still be high but I haven't seen any signs of burn yet. I checked my seeds that are in germ and all 3 of them have cracked on 2nd day. Both strains seem to be real fast so I think once I get them dialed in and the new ones started they should take off. High hopes
Day 9:
I would think it would be a little bigger than this. But hey it's still alive and doing fine. I know my camera doesn't take good high quality pics up close.
Check out this link if you are interested in DWC. I haven't read it all yet but it looks in depth and knowledgeable.
http://www.420magazine.com/forums/deep-water-culture-dwc/111069-deep-water-culture-tutorial-sh-kit-diy.html
melazapura
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hey blu whenever you have the time, check out my grow journal day 8 on page 5 you can start seeing nute burn, and at day 9 they were burnt!!lol with 350ppms. I know they're different strain but they were about that same size at day 8. you're doing good. happy grow.
ps
the cammera does sucks
ps
the cammera does sucks
BluBerry
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It is starting to get a little warmer outside and I haven't been running the air inside. My cab temp has been 82 with the light on but that is having the door cracked quite a bit. I have it in a spare bedroom in a mobile home. I have a floor vent right next to it and was debating cutting a hole in the floor and running my duct thru it and either draw intake or exhaust under there. Upon more thinking and contemplating I wonder. Could I crawl under there and cut the air duct and cap off the one end and put a screen on my intake end, then remove the vent inside and get a fitting to hook to my flex duct? It is very cool under there. And it would then exhaust back into the bedroom but it would be cool fresh air coming in. Do I have the right idea with this? I am also looking at a 190 cfm exhaust fan with a 9 inch scrubber. That should be more than enough for my 4x3x6 I would think. Don't be shy people.
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BluBerry
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Day 10:
Nothing much to update on. Dropped my PPMs to 190 waiting for a growth spurt of some sort. I have the bottom of the net pot about an inch out of the water and m bubbles splash up and wet the roots. Should I still be submerged until more roots form cuz it is still just the one root hanging in the water. I don't see any nute burns but the rounded leaves are slightly yellow like maybe lack of nutes. Not sure yet. Im gonna see how lowering the PPMs affect the plant and go from there. I don't want to get it used to PPMs around 250-300 until I get the other 3 back in there. My Extrema is lonely in there by herself. It's giving me time to mess with the water tho and experiment with it a little. My PPM seem to rise a little over the day or so. Like before I lowered the PPM they were like 208 then later in the day they were like 220. So I took a 2 qt pitcher and scooped out 3 pitchers of water (well water 52 PPM) and replaced with 3 pitchers of fresh cold water and dropped it to
190 PPM pH 5.9 Cab Temp 79 RH 45% Res Temp 70.
Crossing fingers that my Rapid Rooters come in the mail tomorrow cuz these seeds are ready to produce some skunyun.
Nothing much to update on. Dropped my PPMs to 190 waiting for a growth spurt of some sort. I have the bottom of the net pot about an inch out of the water and m bubbles splash up and wet the roots. Should I still be submerged until more roots form cuz it is still just the one root hanging in the water. I don't see any nute burns but the rounded leaves are slightly yellow like maybe lack of nutes. Not sure yet. Im gonna see how lowering the PPMs affect the plant and go from there. I don't want to get it used to PPMs around 250-300 until I get the other 3 back in there. My Extrema is lonely in there by herself. It's giving me time to mess with the water tho and experiment with it a little. My PPM seem to rise a little over the day or so. Like before I lowered the PPM they were like 208 then later in the day they were like 220. So I took a 2 qt pitcher and scooped out 3 pitchers of water (well water 52 PPM) and replaced with 3 pitchers of fresh cold water and dropped it to
190 PPM pH 5.9 Cab Temp 79 RH 45% Res Temp 70.
Crossing fingers that my Rapid Rooters come in the mail tomorrow cuz these seeds are ready to produce some skunyun.
BluBerry
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My Rapid Rooters came in the mail yesterday. I took a piece of styrofoam and cut 3 holes in it the size of the plugs. Sit the styrofoam in a deep aluminum (lightproof) kitchen container and filled it up with water to 1/4 in up on the rooters. Then stuck a toothpick thru the side of them from side to side to hold the plug from falling thru the styro. Then placed a clear plastic kitchen container over them and I checked this morning and my dome humidity and temp were Temp 82 RH 65% and Temp 79 RH 42% outside the dome. They are real moist like I can squeeze on them and see the water like a sponge, but they are only like a 1/4 inch under. All 3 seeds were a little further along than I wanted them to be for planting but my Extrema will prob be sprouted up by the end of the day. Will have to see how they look after work. My other Extrema is still alive even tho it has looked the same for the past week it seems. My round leaves are still yellowish like no color to them and my leaves are light green with no sign of nute burn at all. Its like it just stopped growing or stumped. I had PPM 190 and I checked last night and they were 208 and again this morning PPM 200 so maybe she is starting to feed some. So if they are lower this afternoon then I take that as a good thing and hope to see some more growth. I'll take some pics later on.
BluBerry
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Checked PPM again and up to 215 PPM. My leaves are still pale and I haven't seen any growth at all. VERY SLOW if any. Lowered PPMs back to 190. I have Vinegar in the res to lower pH but I wouldn't think that would stop growth. I don't see nute burns so I don't know if lowering the PPMs to say 150 would make a difference or what the deal is. On the bright side two of my sprouts popped out of the rooter so we will see how they do. If anyone has any advice on my slow growth or pale yellowish leaves I would appreciate it.
I have had an air space in between the water and the net pot with only 1 scraggly root hanging in the water. I raised my water level to 1/4 inch over the bottom of the pot which lowered my PPMs to 170. Maybe the air space could be my cause of slow growth? From the root not being strong enough to eat the food. Will have to wait and see what happenes since I raised water level.
I have had an air space in between the water and the net pot with only 1 scraggly root hanging in the water. I raised my water level to 1/4 inch over the bottom of the pot which lowered my PPMs to 170. Maybe the air space could be my cause of slow growth? From the root not being strong enough to eat the food. Will have to wait and see what happenes since I raised water level.
wyteberrywidow
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i hope it sarts to look better
yeah keep ya head up bro