That's the most pathetic and dangerous argument I've heard in this entire thread. (and there have been A LOT) It's practically a call to incivility and is a purposeful attempt to obscure the fact that almost all of the incendiary rhetoric in this day and age is coming from one side of the American political spectrum. YOUR SIDE.if your guy says it, it's free speech. if their guy says it, it's hate speech.
yes, i'm aware she did not literally mean for people to go out and shoot enemies. she just conjured up the image....over and over again. in many different ways. and many others of her same lean and tilt did the same. now i hope the neoliberals who say to fight fire with fire know why that is not the wisest choice.OMG UB. We all know she didn't mean literally go shoot people.
Sounds like a racist right-winger/libertarian to me. Of course... I'm not painting everyone on the right as that sort of person. He's nuts. But he seems to be nuts in a Timothy McVeigh, conspiratorial, anti-government sort of way. Even if he isn't affiliated with any particular group, that much is obvious at this point, I think.On both the MySpace and YouTube web pages, Loughner mentions his concern over literacy rates and the fact that few people speak English. He also talks about his distrust of the government and suggests that anyone can call anyone a terrorist.
DHS is saying this guy might have had ties to the american renaissance group. probably too early to know still. details will come in over time.
You have to be as retarded as the shooter was in order to think that he was a "right-winger/libertarian". Among his favorite books was The Communist Manifesto. His former classmates called him a liberal and as it stands he was pissed off that he didn't receive public housing.Even if the guy wasn't a card-carrying member of the American Right, he sure as hell bought into their anti-government fervor. He's clearly a guy like McVeigh, only, judging by the rambling nature of what he has written, even crazier.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2011-01-08-jared-loughner_N.htm
Sounds like a racist right-winger/libertarian to me. Of course... I'm not painting everyone on the right as that sort of person. He's nuts. But he seems to be nuts in a Timothy McVeigh, conspiratorial, anti-government sort of way. Even if he isn't affiliated with any particular group, that much is obvious at this point, I think.
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What happened to this guy? seems pretty weird.
wow, just wow.You have to be as retarded as the shooter was in order to think that he was a "right-winger/libertarian". Among his favorite books was The Communist Manifesto. His former classmates called him a liberal and as it stands he was pissed off that he didn't receive public housing.
If you want to continue to ignore the facts and deflect the blame, go ahead. This guy was a liberal.
I put it to you that nobody who is sane could support that woman.No one who isn't insane would believe Sarah Palin wanted people to literally go out and start popping off people.
again, wow.Simple Fact: The guy was liberal/left. One of your own did this - how can you blame the republicans?
oh, now i know why you made that previous comment: you are simple.You are extremists also - you have decided that yourself, and that every single person is so stupid and greedy that they must be constrained and forced to contribute to society. The end of the road you are going down is complete slavery to society.
simple, and misogynistic to boot!Anyone who says to take the option of violence against the government off the table is basically a bitch...The founding fathers ...would consider people who were afraid to use violence when necessary bitches also.
So, to all the bitches in the audience... go change your pads.
i have seen the left doing the same (not here), but not to the same extent.Seems to me that most people don't know anything about this Jared person's politics , but are already blaming him on the right.
People like you have existed all throughout history. You are the people who surrender. They give in because they have no hope of succeeding against odds that are not in their favor. That argument has been used all throughout history by cowards. People have to have leaders, and it is obvious you are not one. There are relatively bloodless coup all the time - where are the military in these countries? Why do you think today is different? Why do you think our country is different? The IRA fought the Empire with little more than small arms. There was armed resistance to the German occupation of Europe. There are a few thousand people in the desert making us look like idiots, and they did the same thing to the USSR. Eventually USSR gave up, the British Empire gave up southern Ireland, and eventually Germany would of given up if the war had not ended it. Were those people stupid for struggling for what they believe in? Why were they not crushed by the 'full force of the government'? What does our United States have that those countries, and countless more, didn't that allows it to be immune to rebellion?again, wow.
there is not enough evidence one way or the other. what makes you so confident to proclaim this? are you privy to evidence that NONE of the rest of the public is privy to?
School mates described him as left wing - who would know him better than the people sitting beside him every day listening to his stupid comments.
oh, now i know why you made that previous comment: you are simple.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^ That comment means: I don't agree with you, but I don't know what to say. That is the liberal platform - Society before the individual because the individual cannot be trusted to care for himself and others. That IS simple. There are usually other things added in but at the end of the day, that is the platform of the left.
simple, and misogynistic to boot!
Misogynistic. I could of as easily compared your kind to a herd of cows who run at the first sound, or a child laying in his bed at night fearing what is under his bed but never looking. Would I of been an animal hater or a child hater then? You get the point, and it wasn't a sexist one.
if you want to mount an insurrection and get crushed by 1/1000th of the total power of the US military, feel free. i'll sit back and laugh as they squash you like a bug. if you think that you have ANY chance against the full force of the government, that just further explains your delusion.
but to go around capping elected officials (as well as innocent bystanders in the melee)?
simple, misogynistic, and delusional. what a combo!
Too bad the real cowards are ones like yourself, throwing around epithets and assigning blame for everyone else. Plus, if you have so much bravado and are so ready for a revolution, why don't you go shoot someone? Oh, cause your a pitiful, frightened coward too. Thanks for playing.Just because you personally do not have the will to fight back if needed - don't act like your position is the right one, its a position of cowardice.
I am not saying this is a case where violence should of been used, we still have our votes and we can change things peacefully. The guy who did this is a whack job, and everyone knows it.