HID vs CFL xxxPOLLxxx

[wyteberrywidow]

I don't know where you keep getting this 1000 watt cfl stuff, I don't have 1000 watts. And no, I don't have ventilation, my cabinet is sealed, and climate controlled. I converted a deep freeze, using the cooling system to climate control with a thermostat connected to the power. IE. the freezer is not plugged into the wall, it's plugged into the thermostat, which turns it on and cuts it off at the desired temps.
Now, I suppose you are going to say something to the effect of "if you have cooling, why not use an HPS?" 2 reasons, #1 I don't have the vertical space, this is the biggest reason. The unit is divided into two compartments, a flower chamber and a veg chamber. #2, I experimented with HPS and the heat is so extreme that the freezer ran almost constantly. It would run and run, shut off, and 10 min later run run again. Just not what I wanted, to have the cooling system running constantly.

GS

I read your first post wrong u said 10 k lumens i thought i saw watts my bad...

 

[wyteberrywidow]

Agreed! If what I, or anyone else does, #1 gets you high, and #2 provides you with an amount that is acceptable to you, then what's the problem? I just don't understand all the banter back and forth from people trying to convince us that HPS is better for OUR grow.
This thread specifically said, tell why it's best for YOU.

Im not trying to convince you do as you please im just stating the fact of using high wattage cfls is pointless when you can eliminate all the bulbs with just 1 light.

 

[GodSlave]

I read your first post wrong u said 10 k lumens i thought i saw watts my bad...

No problem, I kinda figured you misunderstood. I have 10k lumens per sq ft, which is hella lot of light. I have to turn 2 of my lights off when working my scrog because it gives me headaches.

Im not trying to convince you do as you please im just stating the fact of using high wattage cfls is pointless when you can eliminate all the bulbs with just 1 light.

But my point is, it's not pointless. I gave you my reasons, the biggest being vertical space. I simply don't have the space to flower using HPS because I lose a good 10-12" of space. When your talking about a total vertical space of 42", 10-12" is enormous.
I'm sorry if I am a little defensive, I shouldn't be really because you didn't do anything wrong. I'm just sick of being attacked or bashed (you didn't do this) because of using CFL's. Many, if not most people, usually start with the "HPS is better" banter when you even mention CFL. Even though they don't really have a clue about why I am using them. I have specific requirements, and CFL's help me achieve what I want. I'm only growing for personal use, so I don't need to go big. What I do works for me.

 

[wyteberrywidow]

No problem, I kinda figured you misunderstood. I have 10k lumens per sq ft, which is hella lot of light. I have to turn 2 of my lights off when working my scrog because it gives me headaches.


But my point is, it's not pointless. I gave you my reasons, the biggest being vertical space. I simply don't have the space to flower using HPS because I lose a good 10-12" of space. When your talking about a total vertical space of 42", 10-12" is enormous.
I'm sorry if I am a little defensive, I shouldn't be really because you didn't do anything wrong. I'm just sick of being attacked or bashed (you didn't do this) because of using CFL's. Many, if not most people, usually start with the "HPS is better" banter when you even mention CFL. Even though they don't really have a clue about why I am using them. I have specific requirements, and CFL's help me achieve what I want. I'm only growing for personal use, so I don't need to go big. What I do works for me.

Okay thats cool and i dont mean to come off like one of the bashers you ran into before so here you go + rep for putting it in a nice way.

 

[Sir. Gonzo]

Agreed! If what I, or anyone else does, #1 gets you high, and #2 provides you with an amount that is acceptable to you, then what's the problem? I just don't understand all the banter back and forth from people trying to convince us that HPS is better for OUR grow.
This thread specifically said, tell why it's best for YOU.

It's definitely is a to each his own preference. As far as what works for " you " ( or oneself ) I'm sure I could get a lot of things to just work for me. But me personally I like good quality smoke. If I know I can take my smoke to the next level by adding or changing a procedure or piece of hardware, I'm all for it.. I've got a buddy who grows all CFL, he gets the goods but the quality is lacking. Thin airy buds that are lacking potency. This may be ok for the occasional smoker, but for the conasoir it's unexceptable.

 

[GodSlave]

It's definitely is a to each his own preference. As far as what works for " you " ( or oneself ) I'm sure I could get a lot of things to just work for me. But me personally I like good quality smoke. If I know I can take my smoke to the next level by adding or changing a procedure or piece of hardware, I'm all for it.. I've got a buddy who grows all CFL, he gets the goods but the quality is lacking. Thin airy buds that are lacking potency. This may be ok for the occasional smoker, but for the conasoir it's unexceptable.

I don't know how your buddy is growing, but if he is getting airy buds that lack in potency, he is not doing it quite right. My buds are as dense as they ever were with HPS (I used to grow HPS when I had the space). And as for potency, lol, people who smoke my stuff, that don't even know I grew it, say it's some of the best they have ever had.
I believe your buddy is not using nearly enough light, that is why you get airy buds with low trichrome production. I have 20,000 lumens, 10k lumens per sq ft, trust me, it's hella bright. Also, I maximize my space and light by growing SCROG. The main downfall of CFL is penetration, and with SCROG or SOG the penetration needed is minimal. My buds are dense and covered in frost.

GS

 

[Sir. Gonzo]

I don't know how your buddy is growing, but if he is getting airy buds that lack in potency, he is not doing it quite right. My buds are as dense as they ever were with HPS (I used to grow HPS when I had the space). And as for potency, lol, people who smoke my stuff, that don't even know I grew it, say it's some of the best they have ever had.
I believe your buddy is not using nearly enough light, that is why you get airy buds with low trichrome production. I have 20,000 lumens, 10k lumens per sq ft, trust me, it's hella bright. Also, I maximize my space and light by growing SCROG. The main downfall of CFL is penetration, and with SCROG or SOG the penetration needed is minimal. My buds are dense and covered in frost.

GS

Don't get me wrong, I do believe one can do well with CFLs but it is much more work than HID.. And correct me if I'm wrong, wouldn't 20k lumens in a 4 sq ft area give you 5 lumens persq ft.

 

[GodSlave]

Don't get me wrong, I do believe one can do well with CFLs but it is much more work than HID.. And correct me if I'm wrong, wouldn't 20k lumens in a 4 sq ft area give you 5 lumens persq ft.

I don't really see how CFL is more work than HPS?
Yeah, your right... I rounded my space off, my screen area is about 2x1.5', so its actually 3 sq ft. I guess I was off on my calculations, it comes to 6800 per sq ft. I think where I misspoke, I am planning on adding another light, which would bring it up to 10k per sq ft. My bad.

GS

 

[Sir. Gonzo]

I don't really see how CFL is more work than HPS?
Yeah, your right... I rounded my space off, my screen area is about 2x1.5', so its actually 3 sq ft. I guess I was off on my calculations, it comes to 6800 per sq ft. I think where I misspoke, I am planning on adding another light, which would bring it up to 10k per sq ft. My bad.

GS

It's cool bro. For me it would be more work for the fact that instead of raising and lowering 1 or 2 big HID's , I would then have to adjust multiples of multiple of cfl's with all kinds of splitters and wires everywhere.. It would just give me a headache..

 

[GodSlave]

It's cool bro. For me it would be more work for the fact that instead of raising and lowering 1 or 2 big HID's , I would then have to adjust multiples of multiple of cfl's with all kinds of splitters and wires everywhere.. It would just give me a headache..

I have 2 105 watters attached to a fixture with a bank of 4 T5's, I raise and lower all at once, and all my lights are plugged into one power strip.
But I hear ya, some of the setups I see would be a pain. I designed my cab for stealth, climate control, and as much automation as possible.
GS

 

[Sir. Gonzo]

I have 2 105 watters attached to a fixture with a bank of 4 T5's, I raise and lower all at once, and all my lights are plugged into one power strip.
But I hear ya, some of the setups I see would be a pain. I designed my cab for stealth, climate control, and as much automation as possible.
GS

Sweet. It's definitely cost effective to run CFLs over HID's if one is not so concerned with quality.. Not that CFLs don't produce good quality of bud but in order to maintain the cost effectiveness over HIDs, one must sacrifice some quality. To match that quality, CFLs would then have to match if not exceed the output of HIDs which would obviously make it not so cost effective.

 

[GodSlave]

Sweet. It's definitely cost effective to run CFLs over HID's if one is not so concerned with quality.. Not that CFLs don't produce good quality of bud but in order to maintain the cost effectiveness over HIDs, one must sacrifice some quality. To match that quality, CFLs would then have to match if not exceed the output of HIDs which would obviously make it not so cost effective.

If by "quality", you mean quantity, I agree, HPS will most definitely outperform CLF. But if you mean "quality" as in potency, then I disagree.
GS

 

[brick20]

WOW ITS THAT CLOSE..? I WUD THINK THAT HIDs WUD BE THE CLEAR CHOICE

 

[wyteberrywidow]

WOW ITS THAT CLOSE..? I WUD THINK THAT HIDs WUD BE THE CLEAR CHOICE

Well it is for bigger grows but for a small grow people are choosing cfls..I guess most of the small closet growers are the only ones showing up.

 

[brick20]

YEP THATS ALL I JUST LOVE THE COVERAGE OF HIDs WORKS LIKE A MINI SUN

 

[supaleeb]

Missing option: T5 H-O Fluorescents..

It's like the middle ground between CFLs and HIDs..

Well it is for bigger grows but for a small grow people are choosing cfls..I guess most of the small closet growers are the only ones showing up.

I put my vote down.. silly rabbits, CFLs are for kids.

Just joking, CFLs are okay, but I prefer a higher lumen output. If you have the money and/or a larger grow, they're by far the best.

 

[wyteberrywidow]

Missing option: T5 H-O Fluorescents..

It's like the middle ground between CFLs and HIDs..



I put my vote down.. silly rabbits, CFLs are for kids.

Just joking, CFLs are okay, but I prefer a higher lumen output. If you have the money and/or a larger grow, they're by far the best.

agreed...and yes cfls are for kids thats why i use them for supplemntal light in my veg room(kids)

 

[brick20]

agreed...and yes cfls are for kids thats why i use them for supplemntal light in my veg room(kids)

IM AN HID GUY, BUT iF U CUD GET 1G/WATT WITH CFLs, WELL THATS BEING ECONOMICAL...

 

[webb107]

I veg with big mogul CFls then flower with HPS, I like Cfls in veg because you can keep them very close to the plants (I like to keep em very short in veg) The obviously HPs in flower because of the bud i get

 

[GodSlave]

It's all about what fits the situation. Obviously HPS is superior, but depending on the situation, CFL can come close.
GS