How Many Libertarians Out There?

[NLXSK1]

This is why I called hudson a retard...

These days, that is what it will take to be some sort of threat to our government as one person.

NOBODY in this thread but you is arguing this. You set up a strawman composed of shit people didnt say to win an argument that you constructed... *golfclap*

 

[Hudsonvalley82]

Where did I say that, I checked back to page 21 didn't see that...

This is why I called hudson a retard...



NOBODY in this thread but you is arguing this. You set up a strawman composed of shit people didnt say to win an argument that you constructed... *golfclap*

 

[tweekjones]

Libertarian and anarchist through and through,OVERGROW THE GOVERNMENT!

 

[NoDrama]

And by the way, none of this started over gun rights. This started with a guy talking about having his guns to fight the oppression that is coming. I told him if the oppression was the U.S. Government, he better get some bigger guns. Long story short, a rifle is not going to scare the government.

Are you still going with this argument that only 1 person owns a firearm?

 

[Carthoris]

Better go buy some nukes, some RPG's, mines, some jet fighters, and support aircraft, don't forget some submarines in your navy arsenal. These days, that is what it will take to be some sort of threat to our government as one person. Just having the right to have your musket does not have your government shaking in its boots.

And by the way, none of this started over gun rights. This started with a guy talking about having his guns to fight the oppression that is coming. I told him if the oppression was the U.S. Government, he better get some bigger guns. Long story short, a rifle is not going to scare the government.

The Afghanistan people beat the Russians without a real military. They aren't exactly laying down for us. If there is any lesson you should learn from our current wars it is that a small group of people with small arms and will power can do anything. It isn't about winning a war every time, some time its about making the war not worth it. Ever seen that picture of the guy standing in front of the tank that is going to run him over? In the end, the only type of person who can do nothing to influence his world is a coward who doesn't have the courage to try.

Guns are very tied to liberty. They are not just pieces of metal that flings other pieces of metal, they stand for more than that. Just like a peace symbol isn't just a circle with lines in it to a lot of people. Whether you go by the idea of protecting yourself from those trying to take away your freedoms or you consider owning guns a freedom in itself. If you let them outlaw everything that is dangerous, where does it stop? They outlawed marijuana - none of you support that. It is for much of the same reason that they want to outlaw guns. They don't agree people should be allowed to have ______. Someone else deciding what is right for you, that is the exact opposite of freedom. I am unsure how any smokers of marijuana could not understand the hypocrisy of wanting something they like/want legalized but keeping others from having whatever they want. Whether its financial, physical, or spiritual. You want freedom, be prepared to allow others to have it too.

 

[bestbuds09]

hey hazorazo then just simply do eeeeeevvvvvvrrrrryyyyyytttthhhhiiiiiinnnnnngggggg the gov wants you to do and wants you to believe in. id rather die knowing im against some dumb evil fucks rather than be a blind sheep and just follow the pack. you say that i need subs, air support, navy arsenal, etc etc to overthrow the gov. lol im just going to agree with you for the sake of not wanting to start an internet dispute. So yeah buddy your "right on", now go watch dancing with the stars and forget what truth there is out there.

 

[Johnnyorganic]

Libertarian and anarchist through and through,OVERGROW THE GOVERNMENT!

Libertarians and Anarchists represent two separate ideologies. If you claim to be both, more power to you; but they meet at the extreme fringes of each political philosophy.

Libertarians reject a strong central government in favor of strong state or local governments. Libertarians stand for limited government, they do not stand for no government.

I suppose there are a few self-proclaimed Libertarians who favor no government, but they are the extremists.

Anarchy is not a sustainable situation. Eventually some power fills the vacuum and it usually brutal and violent.

Most Libertarians are strict Constitutionalists who embrace Federalism, like myself. We believe the Federal government has certain responsibilities specifically outlined in the Constitution. Everything else is the responsibility of the states or the people.

I have been called greedy and selfish for holding these views, but I don't see the rationale for jumping to such an asinine conclusion.

 

[doc111]

Libertarians and Anarchists represent two separate ideologies. If you claim to be both, more power to you; but they meet at the extreme fringes of each political philosophy.

Libertarians reject a strong central government in favor of strong state or local governments. Libertarians stand for limited government, they do not stand for no government.

I suppose there are a few self-proclaimed Libertarians who favor no government, but they are the extremists.

Anarchy is not a sustainable situation. Eventually some power fills the vacuum and it usually brutal and violent.

Most Libertarians are strict Constitutionalists who embrace Federalism, like myself. We believe the Federal government has certain responsibilities specifically outlined in the Constitution. Everything else is the responsibility of the states or the people.

I have been called greedy and selfish for holding these views, but I don't see the rationale for jumping to such a asinine conclusion.

Excellent post Johnny! I'd rep ya, but it says I gotta spread some around first.

Why is it that people always assume libertarians want NO government? It seems to me that the libertarian philosophy is more in line with what the founding fathers intended. How have we changed so much as a society that WE are seen by the mainstream as "fringe" or "extremists"? It really is puzzling to me.

 

[hazorazo]

hey hazorazo then just simply do eeeeeevvvvvvrrrrryyyyyytttthhhhiiiiiinnnnnngggggg the gov wants you to do and wants you to believe in. id rather die knowing im against some dumb evil fucks rather than be a blind sheep and just follow the pack. you say that i need subs, air support, navy arsenal, etc etc to overthrow the gov. lol im just going to agree with you for the sake of not wanting to start an internet dispute. So yeah buddy your "right on", now go watch dancing with the stars and forget what truth there is out there.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

I do not need a gun to know I have power. You seem to be the sheep, clinging to your gun. I guarantee you when bullets come flying, people look my way for leadership.

So is this thread what libertarians are about? Fighting oppression that is not there? These guys are not helping recruitment for your cause. They sound more like your typical Republican or Tea Partiers.

Keep playing your paintball on the weekends to get ready for something that will never happen. This whole conversation is a joke, because you guys will never get your dream of standing your ground against oppressive legislation. hahahaha. Still laughing about this one.........

Especially no drama and nlx, I feel bad for you guys. Go play some paintball, maybe you will feel better.

 

[doc111]

You have no idea what you are talking about.

I do not need a gun to know I have power. You seem to be the sheep, clinging to your gun. I guarantee you when bullets come flying, people look my way for leadership.

So is this thread what libertarians are about? Fighting oppression that is not there? These guys are not helping recruitment for your cause. They sound more like your typical Republican or Tea Partiers.

Keep playing your paintball on the weekends to get ready for something that will never happen. This whole conversation is a joke, because you guys will never get your dream of standing your ground against oppressive legislation. hahahaha. Still laughing about this one.........

Especially no drama and nlx, I feel bad for you guys. Go play some paintball, maybe you will feel better.

Why, because there are a couple of fringe elements? Most of these folks that call themselves libertarians are no more libertarian than Stalin was. Every group will have a few radical elements. I think Johnny's description is pretty spot on. I fail to see what's so what's so radical about that. What I do see is a lot of people talking out of their asses and strawmanning every single point the perceived opposition puts up instead of putting up a real argument or actual facts. Not necessarily talking about you here, just pointing it out.

 

[NLXSK1]

You have no idea what you are talking about.

I do not need a gun to know I have power. You seem to be the sheep, clinging to your gun. I guarantee you when bullets come flying, people look my way for leadership.

So is this thread what libertarians are about? Fighting oppression that is not there? These guys are not helping recruitment for your cause. They sound more like your typical Republican or Tea Partiers.

Keep playing your paintball on the weekends to get ready for something that will never happen. This whole conversation is a joke, because you guys will never get your dream of standing your ground against oppressive legislation. hahahaha. Still laughing about this one.........

Especially no drama and nlx, I feel bad for you guys. Go play some paintball, maybe you will feel better.

I used to referee paintball games. Do you know how much those things hurt when you are not pumped up on adrenilin running around??

Keep playing your paintball on the weekends to get ready for something that will never happen.

Where did I say that I played paintball to prepare myself for anything?

I have a good amount of food and water stored for emergencies. I also have firearms in case the police are not available, medical supplies, lighting, etc...

Now, I dont know about you but since I am prepared... I really dont have to worry about what happens. See? You blindly ignore any eventualities, preferring to put your full faith and credit in trusting the government. I guess we both sleep well.

 

[tweekjones]

Libertarians and Anarchists represent two separate ideologies. If you claim to be both, more power to you; but they meet at the extreme fringes of each political philosophy.

Libertarians reject a strong central government in favor of strong state or local governments. Libertarians stand for limited government, they do not stand for no government.

I suppose there are a few self-proclaimed Libertarians who favor no government, but they are the extremists.

Anarchy is not a sustainable situation. Eventually some power fills the vacuum and it usually brutal and violent.

Most Libertarians are strict Constitutionalists who embrace Federalism, like myself. We believe the Federal government has certain responsibilities specifically outlined in the Constitution. Everything else is the responsibility of the states or the people.

I have been called greedy and selfish for holding these views, but I don't see the rationale for jumping to such an asinine conclusion.

Agorism and anarcho-capitalism are both libertarian. I'm an agorist to be more specific. Its the Libertarian left and if you don't like that well I don't give a damn,if your one of those upitty minarchists then let me tell you I know you tried to throw us out of the party and frankly I'm glad to be rid of you,go vote for mother fucking CIA Anti-Marijuana bob barr.

 

[NoDrama]

Especially no drama and nlx, I feel bad for you guys. Go play some paintball, maybe you will feel better.

Never played Paintball, but I have played the real thing. We didn't call it playing though, we called it Combat Operations. How bout you?

 

[medicineman]

Guns in the American society are real. There are plenty. The real facts are though, if the people in power actually thought "we the people" were going to come after them and throw them out, they would have no qualms about using the military to hold power. Helicopter gunships, predators, miniguns, tanks, F-15,16,22, etc. warbirds and even tactical Nukes. The only way to change this society is from within. We have to elect honest, serious, practical, compassionate legislators, starting from local politics all the way to the top. Untill "we the people" get it together and decide how we want our country to be, the people in power will continue to have their way with us and the country. Hell, we can't even have a civil conversation, or agree to anything on this one little forum. How in the hell do we expect to change the country? Who was it that said, "Change comes from within"?

 

[NLXSK1]

Guns in the American society are real. There are plenty. The real facts are though, if the people in power actually thought "we the people" were going to come after them and throw them out, they would have no qualms about using the military to hold power. Helicopter gunships, predators, miniguns, tanks, F-15,16,22, etc. warbirds and even tactical Nukes. The only way to change this society is from within. We have to elect honest, serious, practical, compassionate legislators, starting from local politics all the way to the top. Untill "we the people" get it together and decide how we want our country to be, the people in power will continue to have their way with us and the country. Hell, we can't even have a civil conversation, or agree to anything on this one little forum. How in the hell do we expect to change the country? Who was it that said, "Change comes from within"?

Yep, that is why I voted against all the Democrats!!! A few more elections and the swamp will actually be drained and Nancy Pelosi's ass with it...

 

[medicineman]

Yep, that is why I voted against all the Democrats!!! A few more elections and the swamp will actually be drained and Nancy Pelosi's ass with it...

So you blame all society's ills on Nancy fucking Pelosi and the fuckacrats. I guess I missed that discussion. I guess also that you assume the right wing power brokers would just step aside to comply with the peoples wishes. Man one of us is lost in some retarded fog, and I'm seeing very clearly. I'm sorry to rock your very leaky boat, but none of the people in power want to give it up, and change will be a verrrrrrrry loooooong process if ever. For fucks sake, you and I can't even agree on this shitbird forum, changing the world, I must say I have a few doubts.

 

[UncleBuck]

It seems to me that the libertarian philosophy is more in line with what the founding fathers intended.

say what?

you seem to have a lot of opinions about what centuries dead people intended. apparently, they were libertarians that opposed the individual mandate.

really looking forward to the justification for these bizarre, self aggrandizing statements.

 

[NLXSK1]

So you blame all society's ills on Nancy fucking Pelosi and the fuckacrats.

See, you keep creating straw men and attacking them... I never said that. She talked about *draining the swamp* before the corrupt legislation of Obamacare.

I dont blame all of societies ills on anything.

I do believe that most of the best solutions exist without government interference.

 

[doc111]

say what?

you seem to have a lot of opinions about what centuries dead people intended. apparently, they were libertarians that opposed the individual mandate.

really looking forward to the justification for these bizarre, self aggrandizing statements.

I don't have to "justify" shit to you or anybody Buck! I qualified the statement with "It seems to me......". That would be similar to IMO or the lengthier IMHO.My opinions are my own. I don't just go around spewing a bunch of shit without knowing a little something about what I'm talking about. I base this statement on the fact that the founding fathers went to great lengths to limit and seperate powers. I could go on but I have a feeling you know exactly what I'm talking about now don't ya Buck? Since you made the statement, could you explain to me exactly what part of my statement is "self aggrandizing"?

 

[Johnnyorganic]

Agorism and anarcho-capitalism are both libertarian. I'm an agorist to be more specific. Its the Libertarian left and if you don't like that well I don't give a damn,if your one of those upitty minarchists then let me tell you I know you tried to throw us out of the party and frankly I'm glad to be rid of you,go vote for mother fucking CIA Anti-Marijuana bob barr.

Now look here, Spock.

I simply said if you claim to be both more power to you.

And I have no problem with Left-leaning Libertarians. Camile Paglia is one of my favorite analysts/writers.

Now you call yourself an Agorist. Super!

I really could give a fuck.

I never tried to throw you out so let's stop this foolishness, shall we?

And I feel the same way about the opportunistic Bob Barr that you do.