More than 8 months into growing, 16 weeks of flowering .. still no harvest

Brick Top

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Schmarmpit said:
Oh, I see. I would assume then that a true connoisseur would snub his/her nose at this plant which is receiving sub-par lighting, no? The buds certainly will not be grown to perfection at this rate.
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A pure sativa could be grown in the most perfect lighting conditions and other than possibly being larger, not end up being much if any different that what is seen in the picture.

You have totally underestimated the suns power and intensity and the amount of naturally reflected light from the sun that is striking the plant.

Who are these so called connoisseurs?
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People who were lucky enough to experience pure strains of marijuana before it was polluted by indica strains, and of course those few who have been lucky enough to have been introduced to the same since the pollution began.



Do they smoke Indicas and enjoy them?
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If they are true sativa lovers they might smoke a cross with some indica in it or even a pure indica now and then and they might possibly somewhat enjoy it, but they will never enjoy it as much as they do a pure sativa.



Are there hybrid connoisseurs who can accurately tell a plant's heritage simply by its fan leaves?
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No. Many believe they can, but they have an equal chance of being incorrect as being correct. Some crosses that are predominantly sativa but will have a more indica look, they will have wider leaves, but the high will be mainly sativa and there are some crosses that are predominantly indica but will have more of a sativa look, they will have narrower leaves, but the stone will be mainly indica.

It can occur due to the cross that is made and what traits are passed on from each plant used in the cross. It can also occur over time when a plant is acclimatized to being grown in a climate that is very different than what it originated in (when talking about a pure strain).

It can also occur in a pure strain over time through selective breeding. Even in pure strains there will be the occasional different phenotype. If you pick a different phenotype, one that seems to suit your wishes or needs of purpose more and breed them together over time you can alter the physical appearance of a pure strain.

The original Romulan was a tall lanky thin leaved long flowering Korean strain that was brought back to Canada by Canadian soldiers returning from the Korean War. The plant had to be acclimatized to the new area it was being grown in and those breeding it picked the shorter wider leaved bushier faster flowering phenotypes and bred them with each other. Over time the strain transformed from a tall lanky thin leaved long flowering plant to a short wide leaved bushy fast flowering plant, but the high remained the same.

It was only altered greatly when the 'Dutch Masters's got female clones, because by then it was in a clone only form, and they bred it with heavy indicas, giving it an even more indica look but also altering the high.
 
Schmarmpit

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^^Thank you for the wealth of info. Do you know of any seeds that offer pure sativa genetics? I have grown Kali Mist (Serious) and enjoyed it very much, but the leaves were very fat and wide. What is the closest variety with true sativa structure and genetic history that is offered in seed form?
 
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Schmarmpit said:
^^Thank you for the wealth of info. Do you know of any seeds that offer pure sativa genetics? I have grown Kali Mist (Serious) and enjoyed it very much, but the leaves were very fat and wide. What is the closest variety with true sativa structure and genetic history that is offered in seed form?
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Here are a few. I prefer Willie Nelson and Phnom Penh myself but none of them that I have tried have left me disappointed.



Reefermans Seeds - Phnom Penh
Strain: Phnom Penh
Breeder: Reeferman
Location: indoor, outdoor
Type: sativa
Flowering: ~98 days
No feminized seeds.
Aka: Cambodian
The PP is anything but average! Crossing to a Thai x Haze father tames the wild sativa just a little bit, with out losing the psychedelic stone and spicy incense , black tea flavors of the Cambodian jungle weed. Not for beginners

Inside Finish Time: 14 weeks / Outside Finish Time: early December / Variation: 3.5 / Odor Level: 2 / Mold Resistance: 6 / Yield: 4 / Ease of Growth: 3 / Feed Level: 2.5 / Stretch: 3.5x


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A cross that is still all sativa:

Reefermans Seeds - Accidental Haze
Strain: Accidental Haze
Breeder: Reeferman
Location: indoor, outdoor
Type: sativa
Flowering: ~80 days
No feminized seeds.
Accidental is more a hazey high than a asian high asian highes get me in the eyes and I feel rocketed hazes are more mid range.
The accidental haze was a accidental hybrid between mexican red hair and punta rojo coombian that has now been inbred it turned out to have a super strong haze smell solid nuggests and overall higher yeild than most hazes.




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Another cross that is all sativa:

Reefermans Seeds - Willie Nelson
Strain: Willie Nelson
Breeder: Reeferman
Location: indoor, outdoor
Type: sativa
Flowering: ~84 days
No feminized seeds.
2005 High Times Cannabis Cup Winner - Best Sativa

An F1 hybrid between Vietnamese Black and Highland Nepalese . Its Willie favorite smoke , he tried it once and bought the whole crop. What else do you need to know? How about a sweet and sour, lemongrassy flavor and a reasonable 10-12 week flowering time? Good mold resistance and a friendly, soaring high round out the package.

Inside Finish Time: 10-14 weeks / Outside Finish Time: Late November / Variation: 3 / Odor Level: 3.5 / Mold Resistance: 4.5 / Yield: 4 / Ease of Growth: 4 / Feed Level: 4.5 / Stretch: 2.5-3x


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Another all sativa:

Reefermans Seeds - Blackseed
Strain: Blackseed
Breeder: Reeferman
Location: indoor, outdoor
Type: sativa
Flowering: ~68 days
No feminized seeds.
Blackseed is a mostly Mexican IBL that dates back to about 1974, and fueled early BC pot culture. It stands as proof that strong cannabis is not a recent invention. It used to called `the pound plant` as it makes big sativas with big yields. Great plant for the Kootenays, where it was first bred by hillbillies. It need lots of root space and makes frosty light green lemony nice sized buds. Old school sativa high.




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And another all sativa:

Reefermans Seeds - Nepalese
Strain: Nepalese
Breeder: Reeferman
Location: indoor, outdoor
Type: sativa
Flowering: ~77 days
No feminized seeds.
Aka: Nepalese Highland / Highland Nepalese

Nepalese Highland is a pure IBL (inbred line) from Nepal. Although this strain grow with a sativa structure the buds show more indica in their formation. Reeferman has sold these seeds at various times over the past decade on various seed auctions and other seed sites and this strains is known to have been used be several breeders to produce the majority of Nepali based strains that are available today.

The strain is popular with breeders looking to create sativa structure in indica hybrids, where earlier finishing times are required. It also produces a larger frame to the plants which helps increase the yields.

This Nepalese Highland was used as the father of Reeferman’s High Times Cannabis Cup winner Willie Nelson, along with a number of other popular Reeferman strains.




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Another cross that appears to be all sativa:

Reefermans Seeds - Cambodian x Haze
Strain: Cambodian x Haze
Breeder: Reeferman
Location: indoor, outdoor
Type: sativa
Flowering: ~80 days
No feminized seeds.
A hybrid of Cambodian IBL x Purple Haze subsequently backcrossed to their Cambodian male. It is a beautiful South East Asian hybrid strain producing good yields with a decent bud density and a vibrant high with little to no paranoia. The Purple Haze was originally from the owner of Positronics in Amsterdam and was crossed with a Cambodian strain that has been well worked for over a decade and is well suited to indoor cultivation.




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Reefermans Seeds - Haze bros original Haze

Strain: Haze bros original Haze
Breeder: Reeferman
Location: indoor, outdoor
Type: sativa
Flowering: ~98 days
No feminized seeds.

Haze brothers origional haze crazzy old school this is the origional haze that all haze hybrids were bred from strong cat pissy super long flowering sativa that will blow your mind very special its back in all her glory these plants stretch like mad getting huge you will need to flower cuttings as soon as they root to keep plants under 6 feet tall medium yeilding the best breeding haze avalable today. 12-16 weeks flowering time and worth the wait reasonable becouse no veg is required.

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Seedsman - African Buzz
Strain: African Buzz
Breeder: Seedsman
Location: indoor, outdoor
Type: sativa
Flowering: ~77 days
No feminized seeds.
Genetics: Malawi
Variety: Pure Sativa
Type: Pure-bred, Traditional Landrace
Harvest Date: November
Flowering Period: 11 weeks
THC Content: 10-20%
Characteristics: Good yielding sativa, with long branches.

African genetics are some of the most popular and enjoyed around the world, due to their exotic taste and mesmerising effects.

African Buzz is a variation of the Malawi Gold Seedsman used to offer in previous years.

It is a wonderful 100% sativa strain originating in Malawi. Our African Buzz was a particular phenotype that we really enjoyed giving us an immense cerebral buzz. We crossed this with a fast growing Malawi Gold father and African Buzz was created.

Although it is a pure sativa it has a quick vegetative stage in optimum conditions and we would recommend only 2-3 weeks growth before switching to flowering to minimise its height.

African Buzz takes 11 weeks to flower during which its typical structure of long branches begins to show. It is a good yielder and is recommended as best indoors and in greenhouses, unless you are somewhere with no chance of frost until December e.g. Southern Italy and Spain.

Any sativa aficionados will appreciate the buzzy and exciting effect our African strain produces.




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Afropips Seeds - Malawi Gold
Strain: Malawi Gold
Breeder: Afropips
Location: indoor, outdoor
Type: sativa
Flowering: ~105 days
No feminized seeds.
Genetics: Malawi Gold
Variety: Pure sativa
Type: Pure-bred, traditional landrace
Harvest Date: November
Flowering Period: 14-16 weeks
THC Content: Unknown
No. of seeds Per Packet: 10
Characteristics: Long lasting effect.

Malawi Gold is internationally renowned as one of the most potent psychoactive pure African sativas.

Afropipss Superior first grade Malawi Gold was selected from 10 years experience with top Malawi growers for the spiciest taste & the most psychoactive clean vibrant high. The high is long lasting & has an enjoyable alert mental clarity coupled with a warm pleasant feeling that radiates throughout the body.

The unique tropical & luxuriant spicy sativa up high can be attributed to the presence of THCV in this early cultivated strain.


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Delta 9 Labs - Mekong Haze
Strain: Mekong Haze
Breeder: Delta 9 Labs
Location: indoor, outdoor
Type: sativa
Flowering: ~126 days
No feminized seeds.
The Mekong Haze is a pure landrace Sativa strain from Southeast Asia. Although it may take up to 18 weeks of flowering time to complete, it is truly a pure breeding strain. This variety is very uplifting and clear headed. The Sativa high and flavor is very apparent and motivating. It makes you want to do things under her influence. Using this variety for your own research and breeding purposes will prove to be worth it?s value. The Mekong Haze is ideal for making F1 hybrid crosses with other Delta-9 Labs varieties. Having great patience with this variety will certainly reward you when the nurturing is completed.


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Sensi Seeds - Mexican Sativa
Strain: Mexican Sativa
Breeder: Sensi Seeds
Location: outdoor
Type: sativa
Flowering: ~65 days
No feminized seeds.
Mexican Sativa is a lovely 3-way cannabis hybrid that is fun and easy to grow. Developed in the Cannabis Castle through years of selective breeding and backcrossing the Mexican Oahakan x Hash Plant x Durban, blending a great mix of world flavors with exceptional strength and vigor. Mexican Sativa has a fresh zest of fruit and spices accompanied by an equally blended cerebral high and warm, relaxing body sensations.

Flowering: September - October
Height: 200-300 cm
Yield: up to 250 gr




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Sativa Seedbank - Paia Hawaiana
Strain: Paia Hawaiana
Breeder: Sativa Seedbank
Location: indoor, outdoor
Type: sativa
Flowering: ~60 days
No feminized seeds.
This plant originated in Hawaii. The seeds were brought to Holland in the beginning of the `eighties and were stabilized. The original aloha taste is still preserved. The clear high, makes you feel like it is a pleasant tropical day in paradise.

Flowering time: 56-64 days
Yield: indoors:450 grams per square meter.
Outdoors: 850 grams per plant.


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ACE Seeds - Panama
Strain: Panama
Breeder: ACE Seeds
Location: outdoor
Type: sativa
Flowering: ~74 days
Normal or female seeds.
Our Panama combines some different red sativas from Panama and Colombia. It's a uniform hybrid with strong vegetative vigour that produces beautiful large reddish and pinkish buds. Its quality reminds the best red American sativas from seventies, a real delight for the old sativa lovers.

STRUCTURE: This well-proportioned plant allows the development of the whole huge plant.
BOUQUET: Its aroma flows inside a sweet fresh strawberry
POTENCY: It produces good vibrations and a happiness feeling. Its low tolerance produces a constant increasing high.
FLOWERING: 12 weeks. End October/ Early November.
PRODUCTION / M2: High
GROW TYPE: Recommended for outdoor growing


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The Real Seed Company - Parvati
Strain: Parvati
Breeder: The Real Seed Co.
Location: outdoor, greenhouse
Type: sativa
Flowering: unknown
No feminized seeds.
Region: Himalaya

Genetics: Pure Himalayan Charas Cultivar
Latitude: 32°N
Harvest Date: Late Oct - Beginning November
Height: 3 - 4 metres
Yield: 1 - 2kg of flowers in natural outdoor environment
Characteristics: Highly aromatic black hash strain with possible CBD potential.
Grow Type: Greenhouse or Outdoors

This is an intensely resinous charas cultivar from the famed Parvati Valley growing region of the Indian Himalaya, producing a naturally soft and oily black charas with a classic rich aroma of spicy fruity hash. Handrubbing of this strain begins in mid-October and finishes in the first week or two of November. Typically grown on mountain slopes at around 3000m, this particular Parvati variety has an easygoing smoking high of moderate potency. It is possible that this strain could have a high CBD content with medical potential and is recommend to those looking for something traditional and flavoursome without the angst and unease of some modern Western varieties.


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ACE Seeds - Green Haze x Thai
Strain: Green Haze x Thai
Breeder: ACE Seeds
Location: indoor, outdoor
Type: sativa
Flowering: ~119 days
No feminized seeds.
The best Green Haze, selected for its excellent balance among the best Colombia-Thai expressions of the Haze line, has been pollinated by a selected Meao Thai male.

An authentic rarity to be enjoyed by the Thai Haze lovers. Especially recommended for outdoor growing in tropical and subtropical climates.

Structure: Bushy Sativa, more compact and manageable than other Tropical Sativa x Meao Thai hybrids.
Bouquet: Incensey with old wood notes. Old school sativa flavor.
High: Very mental, psychedelic and introspective, with no tolerance limits.

Genetics: Green Haze x Meao Thai. F1 hybrid. 100% sativa.
Flowering indoors: 16-18 weeks
Flowering outdoors: End of December
Yield/m2: Medium
Resistance against spider mite: Medium
Resistance against Powdery Mildew: Medium
Resistance against botrytis: Very High
Resistance against cold: Medium


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Sativa Seedbank - Haze
Strain: Haze
Breeder: Sativa Seedbank
Location: indoor
Type: sativa
Flowering: ~78 days
Normal or female seeds.
This plant originally came from California. It is a pure sativa plant that flowers long. The plant has thin gold bronze coloured buds. The yield is a bit low but the almost psycadelic high is very unique. A special treat for the connoisseur.

Flowering time: 70-85 days
Yield: 500 gram per m2


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ACE Seeds - Oldtimer's Haze
Strain: Oldtimer's Haze
Breeder: ACE Seeds
Location: indoor, outdoor
Type: sativa
Flowering: ~140 days
No feminized seeds.
Hybrid of different tropical sativas: Mexican, Purple Highland Colombian, Southern Indian (Kerala) and Thai.

The Haze was developed in California in the 1960s and 70s by crossing some of the best tropical sativas which had been imported during that period. Its exact genotype remains unknown, but it is probably a hybrid of different sativas from Mexico, Southern India, Colombia and Thailand, the latter two being the most dominant in the final hybrid.

This mythical sativa, which has been the starting point for the development of the best hybrids of the past decades, was about to disappear during the 1980s due to the introduction of skunks and indicas in the breeding scene.

Ace seed’s Haze population comes from the last reproductions made with this variety in California, and it has been preserved intact until today by Oldtimer, a British breeder, and then reproduced by our breeders using a wide diversity of parental plants.

Oldtimer’s Haze still preserves the genetic diversity that many present Haze lines have already lost, and it is possible to find phenotypes ranging from the mythic and nearly extinct “Purple Haze” to the most popular “Green Haze” phenotype, and of course intermediate combinations as well.

By flowering the Hazes at low temperatures, the garden fills with beautiful autumn colours that vary from light green to red, blue and purple.

The flowers gather forming willowy bunches that achieve good volume, when grown under optimum conditions.

Oldtimer’s Haze has an incalculable value for every preservationist, collector and breeder that is looking for a Haze’spopulation that still conserves all quality and genetic diversity of the original hybrid.

Oldtimer’s Haze is a delight for 70s sativa lovers, trip back into the past for all those who could not enjoy it at that time.
Slim and elegant plants, with a tall, branched structure. Medium-length internodes. At the time of growing, the leaf is very thin and shows a pale colour. It reacts very well to pruning.

Dark, fruity aroma, with earthy touches of ashes, incense and antique wood aroma. Green Haze’s aroma is fruitier (like tropical ripe fruit), whilePurple Hazes smell like blackberry and black liquor.

Strong stimulating and mental effect, without heaviness or physical weakening. A high level of THC and low level of CBD together produce an o-limit effect, which allows you to get higher and higher with each intake.

Ace only recommends it to extreme sativa lovers and breeding projects.
Outdoors: Only in tropical or subtropical climates. Within latitudes between 20deg and 35deg, we would recommend a warm, coastal climate and the use of a greenhouse.

Flowering indoors: 16 – 24 weeks
Flowering outdoors: End of December/ January
Yield/m2: Low
Resistance against spider mite: Medium
Resistance against Powdery Mildew: Medium
Resistance against botrytis: Very High
Resistance against cold: Medium


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I am in SE Asia as well, but I get plenty of sun. I just don't grow the rainy season part of year as its too much on the rooftop balcony for them. They end up drowning. As for getting it here, where I am it sucks so I grow my own. I like a good smoke not ditch weed :)
 
*BUDS

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Think i know your prob. u say its on the balcony ,well when its night time your either switching on balcony light (stopping flowering) or your apartment lights are shining on balcony. Keep that plant in strict darkness for 12 hours per day if u want heads.
 
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Your growing a Sativa, which gas a long grow season(long skinny leafs), very potent strain though. Looks like the Columbia Gold I grew. 12/12 on TOTAL DARKNESS is mandatory and then reduce light the final 2 weeks prior to harvest to only 10hr. This will draw up resins and firm the bud. My 45yrs experience is testimate to this fact!:blsmoke: Usually will take 45 days after 12/12 cycle, then 10/14 final 2wks. Also, use a tbs of molasses per gal of mixture that has a high phosphate (9-59-8) for a fertilizer. Minimum nitrogen.
 
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stickgrower said:
Your growing a Sativa, which gas a long grow season(long skinny leafs), very potent strain though. Looks like the Columbia Gold I grew. 12/12 on TOTAL DARKNESS is mandatory and then reduce light the final 2 weeks prior to harvest to only 10hr. This will draw up resins and firm the bud. My 45yrs experience is testimate to this fact!:blsmoke: Usually will take 45 days after 12/12 cycle, then 10/14 final 2wks. Also, use a tbs of molasses per gal of mixture that has a high phosphate (9-59-8) for a fertilizer. Minimum nitrogen.
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what sativa are you growing that ripens with the third phase of floral maturity at 45 days... gonna take a true sativa atleast 60 some odd days but a definitive lights off is needed any bit of light hitting the receptors will be detected
 
WvMade

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This is a bagseed and im prety sure it has more sativa then anything but all my other plants from the same bud are indica, what do you guys think?

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this plant looks tipical thai strain to me its normal for the veging time and the flowring time , ive grown sativas here in south africa from seeds to done in 11 months almost a year ! thai takes about just aslong , u would need more light on that plant to speed the process up and u can allso try organic plant food , i am busy growing a purple haze x thai from ace seeds and have been growing for 9 months and just started flowering , and should flower for about 14-16 weeks , that plant looks tipical thai sativa , some of the best in the world , take your time and be patient the end produckt will be mind blowing stuff , long thin buds , with a mind blowing sativa high !
good luck keep us updated
 
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apax

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Brick Top said:
Evidently you are totally unfamiliar with a pure sativa.

It is not skinny leaves that equate to connoisseur quality. It is the high you get from a pure sativa that equates to connoisseur quality.
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thanks for clearing that one up man , i think he is totaly not familiar with sativa ! ime from south africa , and here we only get pure landrace sativas to grow , weed has got so advanced , one of these days there wont be any more pure landrace left if we dont presurve it , sure u can harvest weed in 3 months and it will be good weed , but a peer sativa can take up to 11 months to finnish ! and grow way over 3m tall , with sativa its the high that counts , uplifting high sometimes energetic ! indica plants with fatter leaves mature way faster and with denser buds , and gives u a body stone , so breeders loved the high of sativa but it just took to long to mature so they started crossing differant sativas with indica plants , in that way u got a mix of both , ,ost weed nowaday's are crossed weed , like ww nl and all those , but somewhere in their genes there lys a sativa , sativas takes a while but its well worth the while waiting for em !
 
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WvMade said:
old thread lol my sativa is almost done lol
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lol i know but still is interesting , throw in some pic's of that bitch , ime growing a purple haze x thai , been growing for 9 and half months and started heads now , cant wait , its been a long year lol
 
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Ya, hate to say it man, but u fucked something up. In 34 weeks I could grow ten foot tall trees yeilding pounds, throw them out find a new strain, and a spot that actually offers what plants need, sunlight!
 
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did anybody ask this dude what kind of soil he was using or what he was feeding his plant? im curious as to what size pot hes using too. obviously its a pure sativa, and after 8 months i would think that this plant would be way taller than it is.
 
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jesus of Cannabis said:
but look at those leaves they are skinny as hell, when that plant gets done it wont be a large yield but Ill bet that will be some of the finest cannabis around. pull the plant inside and LST it and get it into a 12/12 schedule to finish it.
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u got that right ! i would like to see the final produckt
 
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WillyPhister said:
did anybody ask this dude what kind of soil he was using or what he was feeding his plant? im curious as to what size pot hes using too. obviously its a pure sativa, and after 8 months i would think that this plant would be way taller than it is.
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good question , i personally think its a shortage of sunlight that delayed the process a bit , but i know that sativas do take more or less that time , depending on how much sun it gets
 
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