1BMM's CAVE....

[TheJointProject]

What's up 1BMM!! Been lurkin in the shadows for a while here. looking good bro. gald to see the startup headaches are behind you.
Good luck with that Headband man. Just got some last week from a buddy and it rocked my world. LOVE IT!!! I'm sure you will too.
Anyways, I'm growing DWC as well. My second full hydro grow goin on right now. A little Northern Lights #5 x Arjin's Haze. The mother is in the flower chamber now and has about 2-3 weeks left before i pull her. The mom is in soil and all of her girls went into my DWC, I think that i read a while back that's your method as well. I agree, always keep momma in the dirt! anyways, good luck bro. swing by my thread if ya got a few. link is in the Sig

 

[1badmasonman]

Hey BMM. I've been following your thread and loving your enthusiasm. You really jumped in with both feet here and you've dealt with some real bumps in the road, but looks like your off now! Don't know if I'd ever go that way of growing but if I do I'll sure have some useful information here to use. Thanks for putting in the time to share.

Duchie

Thanks Duchie, Just trying to one up my last crop. I hate starting over its so fkn slooowww. haha. Hopefully i wont have to tear down my room again for awhile now that the citys work in my house is done. They actually had to replace a meter right in my veg cab hahaha. Fucking assholes hahaha.

Hey 1BMM, I saw a double length cool tube the other day in the shop, forgot to ask how much it was though!!! Looks sweet though. Wouldn't mind one actually! Xmas is going to be a quiet one though, don't think I can add that to my Xmas list!

Peace, DST

Ahh yes DST. I have been actually looking for a bigger one than i have now but cant seem to find one. Only downside i think of a onepiece tube is no outlet for the powercord, well atleast with the one im using. May try it out vertical again next round.

lol If you havent noticed i enjoy building my rooms as much as growing the herb hahaha. The better mouse trap

I saw someone selling two of those on craigslist and thought about getting one but spent the money on the light rail and stuff instead.

EDIT: I went back through the listings and he wants $125 for two of them and they're 4' long 'Pyrex' tubes.

Thats not a bad price Dez.

My younger sibling from a different mother, how goes it? Like the humidifier and I need one, where did ya' get it? I learned my lesson from arjans haze, low humidity and sativa don't go together. The garden is looking very nice, congratulations. My dog is almost finished, I'm trying to wait until saturday to chop her but for some strange reason I don't think it's going to work out. It's cold here and will be cold all day, tonight and most of tomorrow. I might take her out of the room before the lights go on and stick her in a cooler spot in darkness for a couple of days, I just watered her last night so she should be good for two days.

Sounds good ole buddy. I think im in last place as far as the Dog race goes hahaha. Owe well ill have a whole litter of doggies soon hehe.

As for the humidifier i found it at lowes. I just went in the cave to see if it needed water yet after running about 18 hours and shes still half full. Humidity is now in the 40-50% range and the plants seem to really love it. Worth every penny so far.

What's up 1BMM!! Been lurkin in the shadows for a while here. looking good bro. gald to see the startup headaches are behind you.
Good luck with that Headband man. Just got some last week from a buddy and it rocked my world. LOVE IT!!! I'm sure you will too.
Anyways, I'm growing DWC as well. My second full hydro grow goin on right now. A little Northern Lights #5 x Arjin's Haze. The mother is in the flower chamber now and has about 2-3 weeks left before i pull her. The mom is in soil and all of her girls went into my DWC, I think that i read a while back that's your method as well. I agree, always keep momma in the dirt! anyways, good luck bro. swing by my thread if ya got a few. link is in the Sig

Thanks for posting TJP. Yep Im a total newb at hydro so until im a master ill be keeping my mothers in dirt. Its just plain easy. And im not quite over the hump yet. with my hydro problems.

 

[1badmasonman]

Well peeps i just did a welfare check on my plants and the god damn brown root problem is back. I cant put my finger on what the hell is causing it.

To deal with this problem ive been flusking out the entire system twice a week, and the last flush just a 2 days ago i dumped the entire 55 gal res. Then i filled it up with fresh clean water and 250 ml of hydrogen peroxide. I then flooded the dwc buckets full and let the roots get a good cleaning. I left the plants sit in the solution for about 6 hours and then drained out the whole works and discarded.

Meanwhile in the main res i mixed up a new batch of nutes.

55 gallons of clean water.

250ml Calmag.

6 tablespoons of Jacks Classic 20-20-20

200ml hydrogen peroxide.

PPM reading at 350

Adjust ph down to 5.8 let chlorine evaporate of and flooded into the dwc garden.

This is not my pic but demonstrates what im dealing with.

????? WFT is causing this. Going to do some more research i guess.

1BMM

 

[Heads Up]

Is it possible that jack's is the problem? As much as I liked the results from Jack's, I stopped using it in order to try to stop or at least reduce the 'burning' of the ends of the leaves from using chemical ferts. I wanted to try something with less chemical salts so I switched to botanicare's pro line of nutes. So far so good, not a single sign of salt buildup on the plants, no leaf burn of any sort. Just a thought.

 

[disposition84]

Do the browner roots have a funky smell to them?
What temps are your nutes at lights on and lights off?

Looks like root rot to me, but hard to tell for sure without more
details.

Dutch Master makes a product called Zone which is a root
zone conditioner. It basically kills off any bad growth in your
reservoir to help keep things clean. Only downside it kills off
any beneficials as well. There are other similar conditioners
out there as well that can help.

You could also look into brewing your own beneficials which will
kill off that brown slime. There's a whole thread found here
https://www.rollitup.org/dwc-bubbleponics/361430-how-breed-your-own-beneficial.html
which is dedicated to brewing beneficials in very cheap fashion.
People seem to be having great success with his recipe.

If your temps are 72 or higher you could look into cooling your nutes
one way or another, this will help prevent bad growth from forming as
they have a much more difficult time thriving in lower temperatures.

 

[las fingerez]

hey bro sorry 2 see the brown roots, have u heard of hydrozyme? i think thats the US equivalent of cannazyme (or u can get it over there), it will break down the rotting roots and turn it into sugars rather than pathogens. u cant use cannazyme with the h2o2 so i'd investigate if it can be used with the hygrozyme

cannazyme - http://www.hg-hydroponics.co.uk/canna-cannazym-1-litre-1098-p.asp

hygrozyme - http://www.oasishydroponics.co.uk/product/Hygrozyme_107079

good luck my bro


edit - whats ur water temps warm water can rot roots?

 

[1badmasonman]

Thanks for all the input guys. Going to look into those products you guys mentioned. My water temps are always in the low to mid 60's so im pretty sure its not a heat issue. Its def root rot in its early stages. AGAIN grrr. Yeah Headsup it may verywell be the JC nutes. I do have some ff nutes i could use till flower. Then I have some small jugs of Dutchmasters gold flower A and B. Kinda bumbed though was really wanting the cheap JC nutes to show off their stuff. Could be the calmag too idk.

Well see. Shit i guess for now i got to dump another 55 gal batch and go into root soak mode again with h202. My water bill is going to be gigantic this month lol. Ughh

Ill let you all know how this thing comes out.

Thanks

 

[Dezracer]

Dang, sorry to see that and I hope you get it resolved easily. I was contemplating trying something like what you've got in the new grow space and was going to see if I could get any more details (if there are any). It should either be a 3'x6' space or a 4'X8' space I think under the light rail that I need to fill depending on which light I hang from it. Still trying to get more info on the light rail so I know how far I can have it cycle and still get good results.

I like the growth rates and stuff of DWC but since the grow won't be at my house I'd like to have the piece of mind of a big res supplying all of the buckets instead of having to top off each 5gal bucket every day. Even with soil I seem to end up having to water pretty often and I'd like to avoid that if I can. May just end up going soil under the light rail for the first run but we'll see.

 

[GreenBuddha619]

Thanks for all the input guys. Going to look into those products you guys mentioned. My water temps are always in the low to mid 60's so im pretty sure its not a heat issue. Its def root rot in its early stages. AGAIN grrr. Yeah Headsup it may verywell be the JC nutes. I do have some ff nutes i could use till flower. Then I have some small jugs of Dutchmasters gold flower A and B. Kinda bumbed though was really wanting the cheap JC nutes to show off their stuff. Could be the calmag too idk.

Well see. Shit i guess for now i got to dump another 55 gal batch and go into root soak mode again with h202. My water bill is going to be gigantic this month lol. Ughh

Ill let you all know how this thing comes out.

Thanks

I feel with the Grrrr 1BMM! Why I ditched the DWC and went to Coco. I had similiar problem with the root rot but I don't think it was because I was using a nute that really mucky. When I rubbed my fingers in the roots it looked like used oil from your car but it smelled like soil. Mine was a dark blackish/brown color. If you are using a beneficial bacteria it can cause your roots to look like root rot. Are you roots slimy? What does it smell like?...if it's like rot eggs it's root rot. I used the H2O2 and it didn't take care of my problem it only hurt my plants and I used like 50% of what was recommened. I'm thinking it is your nutes...are they designed for hydro or soil from your previous grows? They can really muck up your system!

 

[3eyes]

I've just chopped 3 Sogoudas in NFT from week 3-4 of flower i was fighting root rot with H2O2 it's a rite pain in the ass, check your ph every day and adjust as necessary, add H2O2 every day as it dissipates quickly lower your res temps high res temps allows the rot to breed quickly, i'm sorry to say but all the research i done said just chuck them out and start again and sterilise your equipment before you commence, the last 3 weeks i had very little in the way of new growth it will affect your yield big time my gear is drying now i'll let you know what i'm left with soon, good luck

 

[1badmasonman]

Thanks for the support guys. It is def aggervating. My fkn soil plants are going to pass up the hydro and i started them 2 weeks after the hydro. huh well im determined to get this thing solved.

A good bro of mine and ours from the 600 has offered me some Dutchmaster Zone. Im going to probably order some Dutcmaster Veg nutes and a few gallons of flower.

I did check the vitals lastnight and the water temps have broken beyond the 70 degree mark. I have noway of cooling the setup and i really dont fkn want to have to. Id much rather just go back to soil than buy another expensive peice of equipment just to cool the water. grrr just not in the greatest of moods thismorn lol.

On a happier note i got some tangerine dream and some blueberry headband from cali. going to go get a good head change in. peace

 

[disposition84]

Don't get discouraged, it takes time to learn, and the rewards are definitely there.

Dutch Master Zone is a great product if you're not using and beneficials in your grow
which it doesn't appear you are. I would definitely recommend it to you as it makes
keeping your reservoir clean without much work/cost.

If you don't mind putting in the work those brewing your own beneficials is really the
way to go. Not only will you kill off the bad, but you'll also get some great addatives
to your root zone which will help water/nute uptake.

 

[1badmasonman]

Don't get discouraged, it takes time to learn, and the rewards are definitely there.

Dutch Master Zone is a great product if you're not using and beneficials in your grow
which it doesn't appear you are. I would definitely recommend it to you as it makes
keeping your reservoir clean without much work/cost.

If you don't mind putting in the work those brewing your own beneficials is really the
way to go. Not only will you kill off the bad, but you'll also get some great addatives
to your root zone which will help water/nute uptake.

Thanks Disposition. Woke up to complete madness this fine morning and its pretty much remained that way all day lol.

 

[1badmasonman]

So the cat is out of the bag my loyal readers. Ive found the culprit!!!! my 4" exhaust fan slowly died on me over the last couple of days. Hence the rize in temps i just thought it was the humidifier making things all sticky. ??? I did notice that the room temps where gaining and then a howling noise/ wtf. I could not hear it in the grow room only upstairs. weird so i had a thought late lastnight that it vould be the lil 4" HTG fan finally croking out.

And by god thats what it was. Shit that fan has been through some shit mwahahaa. Didnt smell burnt or nothing. Just glad there was no fire before i realized what the fuck was going on. So im chalking up this root issue to the solution temps in the buckets.

Shit has been breaking down on me left and right but im not going to complain. No sir life is to damn good even with all the bad luck.

For now ive cut off my 2 600 watters, I think until im certain the root issue with my Dogs Headbands & Blue widos is solved im going to veg under my floro hood. That will take care of the warming temps in my mini res's ( the buckets )

Placing an orer for a brand spanking new vortex 6 or i may just use my 8" vortex and order 2 8" cooltubes and eliminate a fan. Only downside there is all my concealed ducting is 4" and that would make a howling me thinks running the large 8" through???? decisions decisons. Thank god i still have a nice nug of my own trainwreck to help hash this out haha. off to work 1BMM

 

[whodatnation]

Hope it works bro!

 

[GreenBuddha619]

Thanks for the support guys. It is def aggervating. My fkn soil plants are going to pass up the hydro and i started them 2 weeks after the hydro. huh well im determined to get this thing solved.

A good bro of mine and ours from the 600 has offered me some Dutchmaster Zone. Im going to probably order some Dutcmaster Veg nutes and a few gallons of flower.

I did check the vitals lastnight and the water temps have broken beyond the 70 degree mark. I have noway of cooling the setup and i really dont fkn want to have to. Id much rather just go back to soil than buy another expensive peice of equipment just to cool the water. grrr just not in the greatest of moods thismorn lol.

On a happier note i got some tangerine dream and some blueberry headband from cali. going to go get a good head change in. peace

Damn nice I have been wanting to get my hands on some Tangerine Dream for past few months!! If it is anything like Blue Dream w/ a tangerine taste/smell it's going to BOMB!!

 

[jigfresh]

Good luck getting it all sorted my bru. I would think the temps explain things. And I am a beleiver in the dutchmaster zone (I think you remember I use DM all the way).

 

[GreenBuddha619]

Jig you got a journal going at the moment?

 

[jigfresh]

Not yet. Im hpoing to buy clones today. I usually start a journal before I get plants... this time im waiting till I know what strain im running. Ill let everyone know when its going on.

 

[GreenBuddha619]

Not yet. Im hpoing to buy clones today. I usually start a journal before I get plants... this time im waiting till I know what strain im running. Ill let everyone know when its going on.

Sweet man can't wait to see some vertical madness! What are you thinking about? I picked up 3 new ones today and got 4 others going.

Speaking of strains....1BMM where did you get the Tangerine Dream? Did it come from South Cali? Hopefully you can fill me in on the info