Vote yes prop 19

[beardo]

Bogus link? It goes directly to the California state senate website. It's a .gov.

And it absolutly does address the problems. It makes possession up to a pound legal. Possession of more than a pound is an infraction ($100 fine). It reduces unlawful cultivation to a misdemeanor. Decriminalizes all possession for people under 21 (no weight limit). Reduces penalty for knowingly selling to a person under 21 to a misdemeanor. It also makes it clear law that prop 19 has no effect on prop 215 so they can't tax medical cannabis sales. Caps the amount you can tax recreational use.

What more could you possibly want? Anyone who's not in favor of prop 19 with Ammiano's cleanup bill attached just flat out supports prohibition. Just like the DEA does.

Weird when i hit it it says it cant find server. I have said it befror if 19 passes I hope it is great for everyone I just fear that won't be the case. Is what your talking about officially part of 19 now or not? or is it something legislatur will introduce if it passes and try to get 2/3rds to pass it?

 

[Dan Kone]

Weird when i hit it it says it cant find server. I have said it befror if 19 passes I hope it is great for everyone I just fear that won't be the case

ok. fair enough. Here it is from another site.

http://www.aroundthecapitol.com/billtrack/text.html?bvid=20096AB999INT

As written this does end prohibition in California.

 

[UncleBuck]

the tag program started last year but was volentary now its non optional but your soposed to go sign up I don't know what month it started. I said his link is bogus because it's a dead site i've tried it a few times and he's posted it in other threads...I was worried it was a virus...did it work for you? I googled tom ammeiano and prop 19 attatchment and read some of the articles...he is pro 19 but he hasn't ammended the bill yet alone ammended it to the point where their is no more debate

any citation as to what you say about this tag fee? or how do you know about it?

that link worked on both my computers.

how can you say he has not amended it enough without having read what he wrote (since you thought it was a virus that you could not access)?

the fact that you are never straightforward makes me distrust all you say.

 

[beardo]

any citation as to what you say about this tag fee? or how do you know about it?

that link worked on both my computers.

how can you say he has not amended it enough without having read what he wrote (since you thought it was a virus that you could not access)?

the fact that you are never straightforward makes me distrust all you say.

dont care if you distrust me ive no reason to make shit up. If you have 5.99 you can go get the latest issue of high times or if you have a computer you can google the tax zip tie program. I could be missing something as i have not read the info on his link-as i honestly stated. I am unable to use his link but as I said I googled Tom's attatchments and amendments to prop 19 and read what i found and nothing persuaded me that he had changed the bill. I admit I could be missing something and invite you to copy and paste so i can be enlightened.

 

[beardo]

ok. fair enough. Here it is from another site.

http://www.aroundthecapitol.com/billtrack/text.html?bvid=20096AB999INT

As written this does end prohibition in California.

thanks for the link...I read a lot of it and will finish reading it word for word. My problem is that right at the beginning it says that this is a proposed addition to 19. Has the bill actually been changed or will it be? This is still a long complicated bill-I'm no lawyer but I WOULD VOTE YES ON THIS. if this amendment takes place i'm a yes vote

 

[UncleBuck]

if you have a computer you can google the tax zip tie program.... but as I said I googled Tom's attatchments and amendments to prop 19 and read what i found and nothing persuaded me that he had changed the bill.

google > actual information, eh?

 

[Serapis]

google > actual information, eh?

Google is only as good as the person using it. The internet is loaded with data, actual information. The trick is discerning what is what.

 

[beardo]

google > actual information, eh?

call the mendocino sheriff's dep then sheriff tom allman is in charge of the program

 

[Dan Kone]

My problem is that right at the beginning it says that this is a proposed addition to 19. Has the bill actually been changed or will it be?

No. It's the implementation bill. It's conditional on prop 19 passing. It's designed to implement and clarify prop 19 to prevent chaos like we had right after prop 215. Basically this is to prop 19 what sb420 is to prop 215. Only difference is this time Ammiano got to write it. And he of course, kicks ass.

Yeah, I think everyone here would support that. No more felonies for bud as long as you're not exporting it to other states. You could basically grow and sell as much bud as you wanted out of your house and the worst thing that could possibly happen to you is 10 days in jail.

 

[beardo]

why no info on weather this is a actual change to prop 19 as it will appear on the nov ballot? If this is the 19 we are voting on I will vote yes and stop negitive 19 posts. solid proof of amendment to 19...the tom 19 changes would make it much more reasonable

 

[beardo]

No. It's the implementation bill. It's conditional on prop 19 passing. It's designed to implement and clarify prop 19 to prevent chaos like we had right after prop 215. Basically this is to prop 19 what sb420 is to prop 215. Only difference is this time Ammiano got to write it. And he of course, kicks ass.

what are the chances of it going through AS IS? I read they need 2/3 majority ..is it their?

 

[Dan Kone]

what are the chances of it going through AS IS? I read they need 2/3 majority ..is it their?

As long as prop 19 passes, it'll be very good. The only contentious point would be the tax cap on recreational use. It's been made clear that Ammiano will be leading the implementation charge on this. Meaning we are all in the best possible hands if prop 19 passes. There is no one in congress more friendly to herb.

 

[Matt Rize]

No. It's the implementation bill. It's conditional on prop 19 passing. It's designed to implement and clarify prop 19 to prevent chaos like we had right after prop 215. Basically this is to prop 19 what sb420 is to prop 215. Only difference is this time Ammiano got to write it. And he of course, kicks ass.

Yeah, I think everyone here would support that. No more felonies for bud as long as you're not exporting it to other states. You could basically grow and sell as much bud as you wanted out of your house and the worst thing that could possibly happen to you is 10 days in jail.

say what...? thanks for the links and summary. this bill needed some cleaning up. some will still oppose, for many reasons, including: preference of prohibition's affect on price, hate of commercial anything especially herb, and other anti gov/tax/regulate folks. but this is a game-changer for many of "us" who oppose this bill simply for being poorly written (because it was).
Go Tom!

 

[Dan Kone]

say what...?

Sometimes citizen written ballot initiatives are difficult to legally interpret or practically implement (like prop 215 for example). When that happens sometimes the state assembly will make a law that clarifies and makes practical implementation possible (like SB420 does for prop 215). For prop 19 rather than having years of chaos and law enforcement arresting people in an inconsistent manner because they are confused about the law (like with prop 215) Tom Ammiano already has this bill ready to go before it's even passed. He's the best possible person we could have doing this.

thanks for the links and summary. this bill needed some cleaning up. some will still oppose, for many reasons, including: preference of prohibition's affect on price, hate of commercial anything especially herb, and other anti gov/tax/regulate folks. but this is a game-changer for many of "us" who oppose this bill simply for being poorly written (because it was).
Go Tom!

Sure, some people support prohibition because they make money off of it being legal. However this now gives them a benefit as well. They can continue what they are doing with no risk of law enforcement ruining their lives. Everyone wins.

Some people hate it because it allows people to form legal corporations to grow/sell bud. But they are basically just afraid of the word "corporation". There are plenty of big cannabis businesses now and there always have been. Just now they are illegal. But that doesn't mean they don't exist. The only difference is they aren't legal. If people want to be afraid of the word corporation, there is nothing I or anyone else can say to change their mind. They don't get that corporations aren't just microsoft or walmart, but any person can form a corporation in an afternoon. The vast majority of corporations are small independent businesses formed by middle class people. But they won't hear that. They hear the word corporation and that = evil and that is all they want to know.

 

[Matt Rize]

. Some people hate it because it allows people to form legal corporations to grow/sell bud. But they are basically just afraid of the word "corporation". There are plenty of big cannabis businesses now and there always have been. Just now they are illegal. But that doesn't mean they don't exist. The only difference is they aren't legal. If people want to be afraid of the word corporation, there is nothing I or anyone else can say to change their mind. They don't get that corporations aren't just microsoft or walmart, but any person can form a corporation in an afternoon. The vast majority of corporations are small independent businesses formed by middle class people. But they won't hear that. They hear the word corporation and that = evil and that is all they want to know.

AGREED.. Former 1/3 ownership in a small LLC right here, far from big bizness. Thanks again for the clarity

 

[UncleBuck]

call the mendocino sheriff's dep then sheriff tom allman is in charge of the program

well, that answered one of my questions, but you skipped the more important one.

which is, how you were possibly able to claim that ammiano did not amend it enough if, as you said, you were unable to even see what he wrote to amend it?

how were you able to weigh in on something, the entirety of which you were unable to evaluate?

you have exposed yourself, that's what happened.

 

[Dan Kone]

well, that answered one of my questions, but you skipped the more important one.

which is, how you were possibly able to claim that ammiano did not amend it enough if, as you said, you were unable to even see what he wrote to amend it?

how were you able to weigh in on something, the entirety of which you were unable to evaluate?

you have exposed yourself, that's what happened.

He also said this:

If this is the 19 we are voting on I will vote yes and stop negitive 19 posts

Got to give him some credit for that.

 

[beardo]

I googled tom ammeiano and prop 19 attatchment and read some of the articles...he is pro 19 but he hasn't ammended the bill yet alone ammended it to the point where their is no more debate

Bogus link and their is no attatchment that addresses the problems with 19

dont care if you distrust me ive no reason to make shit up. If you have 5.99 you can go get the latest issue of high times or if you have a computer you can google the tax zip tie program. I could be missing something as i have not read the info on his link-as i honestly stated. I am unable to use his link but as I said I googled Tom's attatchments and amendments to prop 19 and read what i found and nothing persuaded me that he had changed the bill. I admit I could be missing something and invite you to copy and paste so i can be enlightened.

thanks for the link...I read a lot of it and will finish reading it word for word. My problem is that right at the beginning it says that this is a proposed addition to 19. Has the bill actually been changed or will it be? This is still a long complicated bill-I'm no lawyer but I WOULD VOTE YES ON THIS. if this amendment takes place i'm a yes vote

No. It's the implementation bill. It's conditional on prop 19 passing. It's designed to implement and clarify prop 19 to prevent chaos like we had right after prop 215. Basically this is to prop 19 what sb420 is to prop 215. Only difference is this time Ammiano got to write it. And he of course, kicks ass.

Yeah, I think everyone here would support that. No more felonies for bud as long as you're not exporting it to other states. You could basically grow and sell as much bud as you wanted out of your house and the worst thing that could possibly happen to you is 10 days in jail.

well, that answered one of my questions, but you skipped the more important one.

which is, how you were possibly able to claim that ammiano did not amend it enough if, as you said, you were unable to even see what he wrote to amend it?

how were you able to weigh in on something, the entirety of which you were unable to evaluate?

you have exposed yourself, that's what happened.

I will leave it to you to do a reality check. I have read his bill and it is not prop 19 it is something he will try to do if 19 passes. I said i was unable to access his link but read other articles that lead me to believe they hadn't fixed prop 19 and I stated I would like to know more dan kone then posted another link wich listed tom ammiano's bill and it's good the only problem is it is not part of 19 and would need a 2/3 majority to change 19. I read that asked dan kone his opinion on it and I responded. What does exposing myself have to do with this????

 

[mccumcumber]

It's a lot less of something he will try to do, and more of something he will do. Also, prop 19 doesn't limit you in anyway. If you don't have your card it will be slightly more legal, if you do, you are unaffected.

 

[beardo]

It's a lot less of something he will try to do, and more of something he will do. Also, prop 19 doesn't limit you in anyway. If you don't have your card it will be slightly more legal, if you do, you are unaffected.

wrong he will need 2/3 to pass it as a addition or amendment and 215 is affected under 19 so aren't 18-21 year olds parents and anyone who needs to smoke in public places