Miracle Grow Organic

theshadowempire

theshadowempire

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I haven't been able to find any reviews concerning Miracle Grow Organic and its effectiveness with cannabis plants. I know most people advise to stay away from it; however, it is easily attainable and pretty cheap.

For my specific situation, I was wondering if anyone has tried using MG Organic throughout an entire autoflower cycle and had good results.

I have the fox farm soil trio on the way in the mail just to be safe, but since MG Organic is supposed to feed for 2 months, and that is roughly how long autoflowers need to flower, would it work?

I know that the MG soil will not give me the absolute best yield possible, but my main question is - will it work well with autoflowers? has anyone had any experience with this?


Product Description (taken from Amazon)

Contains both starting and slow-release fertilizer which feeds for up to 3 months (the bag says 2...). Contains a blend of all-natural, organic ingredients: sphagnum peat moss and composted bark fines Natural fertilizers provide both quick- and slow-release feeding to get plants off to a fast start and keep them growing. Delivers twice the growth of ordinary potting soil naturally.
 
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9867mike777

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Most of the people trashing MG are trashing the stuff that has time-release nutes. The organic stuff is probably as good as most organic potting soil. Personally, I've had fairly good success with the MG with time release nutrients. I like the moisture control stuff. However I usually mix it half and half with plain organic soil.
 
SmeLLyTreeZ

SmeLLyTreeZ

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I've actually heard good things about MG organic. Obviously not my first choice but it will do the job! Just make sure you test your ph before you water and the runoff the first couple times to see where you at.. I would also recommend adding some perlite in with it to help with drainage.. I don't have any personal experience but a bunch of people on here do and they've said it works.. I think its more the MG nutes that get people in trouble but I've tried to stay with Fox Farms my first couple times just so I know that its not the soil :)
 
abudsmoker

abudsmoker

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i have heard everything from being infested with gnats to too hot. I used FFOF for years but lately have started blending MG and Scotts premium. Both seem to net great results even on large scale.

Both seem to be a little bit heavy on the mulch or sticks though.
 
theshadowempire

theshadowempire

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9867mike777 said:
Most of the people trashing MG are trashing the stuff that has time-release nutes. The organic stuff is probably as good as most organic potting soil. Personally, I've had fairly good success with the MG with time release nutrients. I like the moisture control stuff. However I usually mix it half and half with plain organic soil.
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I heard that moisture control MG has time release ferts also. Considering that I'm starting with some autos, would you suggest staying away from time release at all since I won't be able to flush the nutrients?
 
Medi 1

Medi 1

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mg only gives you N/P/K there are 17 elements we need to grow good buds. and their sources of elementsd arent food or pharma grades. they have also been sued repeatedly for lying on labels and many other things. i doubt they even know what organic is.
 
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charlie2na

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Yeah... hope you guys are correct. I too am using MG moisture control mixed with pro mix/ organic soil and worm castings. Got 5 germing in soil now and today(3rd day ) got 1 sprout.....fingers crossed!
 
theshadowempire

theshadowempire

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Well, I tried using the organic and my plants started to do poorly. I thought it would have enough nutrients to sustain the plant for a couple of weeks, but apparently the soil is really weak. I guess this could be a good thing since you get more control over what's going in to the plant. I fed them some nutes with high nitrogen and they perked up and are doing much better now.
 
Medi 1

Medi 1

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no they have tons of foods in it. ill bet my left nut its the ph as usual with mg foods or soils. there is no control with time release so its releasing more than she can take in and will drop the ph and nake it burn and be deff. give a few more days and the fresh supply of food fromt he last feed will do the same thing. now it has the soil food and your food when to much food is what went on in the first place. yes it perked up right away as it was the righ ph that went in and ate as much as it could till the ph in the soil dropped and locked it out.
check the ph run off and ec and i bet ec is high and ph low
 
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caseyg2007

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The MG organic choice is not bad. The first grow I did was with it. I cut it with about 15-20% peat and planted some mid seeds in it. The nutes in the soil can maintain a plant for approx. 6 weeks then you will need some extra nutes for the end of veg and flower phase. I also believe it is ph buffered as I never had a problem with it when I was using straight tap water (non adjusted). Since the plant was transplanted into the ground just before flower, and I ended up moving before it was done I never had a chance to try it. My brother in law who lived there at the time however said it was pretty decent smoke. Even to this day my best friend uses MG organic choice as his base for his compost (4 years composted, and still the shit), and I must say the plants he gets aren't the biggest due to little light, but definately some of the most powerful I have smoked. He also uses only mid bagseed as we have yet to find any seeds in the high grade that we get. Hope this helps.
 
Medi 1

Medi 1

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ph buffered dont mean no need to ph it..means has lime in it to help keep it near 7 ish. and will again never be as good as real foods or soils. 3 of 17 elements just dont make top dank..may be ok, but against a full feed grow it fails. we have tested this many times properly for efficacy. they come in about 12% thc...thats week.
 
theshadowempire

theshadowempire

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Medi 1 said:
no they have tons of foods in it. ill bet my left nut its the ph as usual with mg foods or soils. there is no control with time release so its releasing more than she can take in and will drop the ph and nake it burn and be deff. give a few more days and the fresh supply of food fromt he last feed will do the same thing. now it has the soil food and your food when to much food is what went on in the first place. yes it perked up right away as it was the righ ph that went in and ate as much as it could till the ph in the soil dropped and locked it out.
check the ph run off and ec and i bet ec is high and ph low
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thanks for the reply, but your post was rather confusing. you said "there is no control with time release so its releasing more than she can take in and will drop the ph and nake it burn and be deff," but my plants don't seem to be exhibiting any sign of nutrient burn. additionally, you said, "yes it perked up right away as it was the righ ph that went in and ate as much as it could till the ph in the soil dropped and locked it out," but nothing seems to be locked out and my plant is growing pretty well now. seriously, what are you talking about? i know i'm not the most experienced grower or anything, but your not making yourself very clear..

i'll be carefull to check my ph levels now and get some lime to try and correct this if there is a problem. my soil ph meter should be arriving tomorrow so i'll be able to take care of that. i also have a way to test the water.

from what i understand, FFOF has nutes, yet most people still use their nute supplements in conjunction with it even at an early age. how are those not locked out?
 
Medi 1

Medi 1

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theshadowempire said:
Well, I tried using the organic and my plants started to do poorly. I thought it would have enough nutrients to sustain the plant for a couple of weeks, but apparently the soil is really weak. I guess this could be a good thing since you get more control over what's going in to the plant. I fed them some nutes with high nitrogen and they perked up and are doing much better now.
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i was reffering to this post.
 
Medi 1

Medi 1

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oh sorry.

ok so you say you thought the soil would have enough nutes inthem for a couple weeks. most mg is suposed to be good for 3 months. with time released nutes in it. i honestly havent seen anything from them that dosent have it. at min you should get 3 weeks from a soil with no time release. so im assuming from not even 2 weeks it still had food but couldnt eat it as the ph had already began to drop out of a good range to uptake the foods. then you added more food thinking there wasnt any left to bring it back as you did say it was looking poorly. so this allowed it to eat some right away being so hungry while the new food was opoured in at the correct pH. then right away it begins to drop the pH because there was already food in there just to low a pH to uptake.

sure i may be off on this but 99% of the time in mg i see guys have issues in mg its pH, becasue of time release or the poor qualtiy of food sources they choose makes it hard on the pH to maintain.
or once again they lkied on the label to what the bag contained as they have been sued repeatedly over the years for this already and many other issues with that co.
 
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bill4588

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i did a mix of MG organic GARDEN (not potting), MG moisture control, manure and perlite and it did great. No nute burn and I even used MG tomato food and super bloom. i say if you're limited by soil choices you can use it. it may not be as great as fox farm but it gets the job done.
 
theshadowempire

theshadowempire

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Medi 1 said:
oh sorry.

ok so you say you thought the soil would have enough nutes inthem for a couple weeks. most mg is suposed to be good for 3 months. with time released nutes in it. i honestly havent seen anything from them that dosent have it. at min you should get 3 weeks from a soil with no time release. so im assuming from not even 2 weeks it still had food but couldnt eat it as the ph had already began to drop out of a good range to uptake the foods. then you added more food thinking there wasnt any left to bring it back as you did say it was looking poorly. so this allowed it to eat some right away being so hungry while the new food was opoured in at the correct pH. then right away it begins to drop the pH because there was already food in there just to low a pH to uptake.

sure i may be off on this but 99% of the time in mg i see guys have issues in mg its pH, becasue of time release or the poor qualtiy of food sources they choose makes it hard on the pH to maintain.
or once again they lkied on the label to what the bag contained as they have been sued repeatedly over the years for this already and many other issues with that co.
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Okay, thanks man, that was extremely helpful. I understand what you are saying now. So if you could give me any advice on what to do about my situation, that would be awesome. Right now I have those older stunted plants and some new seedlings which were placed in different MG mixes (organic and moisture control) sort of as just an experiment to see which soil would be superior. They are in plastic cups with drainage holes for just until they come out of the ground and then im going to transplant them.

So here is the question - should i use like a 50/50 blend of lowes all-purpose soil and perlite to use for when the seedlings are transplanted? Would this provide a better ph or do I just need to test the soil myself? Because If I do this, I have the fox farm trio and could just use nute supplements instead of relying on and having to deal with issues concerning the MG soil.
Or should i just test the ph of the MG soil and come up with some way to correct it if needed. And, If I do need to adjust the ph, what should I do?
I'm also going to check the ph of the tap water I get to see what that's like also. But what do I need to look for when adjusting my water's ph?

Sorry for all the questions, but I'm figuring the ph is my one big weakness right now as I grow and I need to get it figured out. Thanks! And, I will try to do some research myself also.
 
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