Well Played, Sirs And Ma'ams

UncleBuck

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It took ya longer to play the race card than I thought it would *yawn*. I don't speak for the tea partiers, republicans or democrats and none of them speaks for me. I speak for myself and when George W. Bush was doing fucked up shit, such as the Patriot Act, I WAS screaming about it! I wasn't a member here back then or you would've seen me be as critical of Baby Bush as I am of the "Messiah". Some people only see what they want to see I guess.:leaf:
i have no doubts that you were up in arms about bush's expansion of government and ginormous build up of debt. but where was the tea party? i never saw them anywhere 2004, 2006, or 2008...now all of a sudden....

and it's not playing the race card when there is truth behind it. but nice try!
 

doc111

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i have no doubts that you were up in arms about bush's expansion of government and ginormous build up of debt. but where was the tea party? i never saw them anywhere 2004, 2006, or 2008...now all of a sudden....

and it's not playing the race card when there is truth behind it. but nice try!
True for SOME, not all. You can put that broad brush away now. I said I don't speak for the Tea Party. My guess is that SOME are hiding behind the Tea Party movement because they just don't want a black man in office. Fuck those people, you aren't going to change their minds.:dunce:

LOL he didnt bring up race, Parker did.....
Granted, he brought it up first but UB picked up the ball and ran with it! lol! I like to give him shit about it because he does it all the time too! lol!:lol:
 

UncleBuck

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True for SOME, not all. You can put that broad brush away now. I said I don't speak for the Tea Party. My guess is that SOME are hiding behind the Tea Party movement because they just don't want a black man in office. Fuck those people, you aren't going to change their minds.:dunce:

Granted, he brought it up first but UB picked up the ball and ran with it! lol! I like to give him shit about it because he does it all the time too! lol!:lol:
hell, i never even noticed parker brought up race. if i bring up race often it's only because it is often a factor in whatever the hell i'm talking about. and if you feel my brush is too broad, show me. point out to me all the tea party candidates vying for nominations in 2004, 2006, and 2008 that i missed.
 

doc111

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hell, i never even noticed parker brought up race. if i bring up race often it's only because it is often a factor in whatever the hell i'm talking about. and if you feel my brush is too broad, show me. point out to me all the tea party candidates vying for nominations in 2004, 2006, and 2008 that i missed.
Huh????:-? You lost me Buck. It's pretty late and I'm pretty baked but I thought we were talking about you playing the race card. It's getting really old and weak IMO, that's all I'm saying.:eyesmoke:
 

Parker

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hahahahahahaahhahahahahahahahahahah

*catches breath*

bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
keep laughing fool

funny how this has become a standard move for tea partiers.

"they do not represent what the tea party stands for"

yet for some reason, i am having a really tough time finding even a single teapublican candidate this year who is socially liberal in the least. i have no problem finding the extremists...in fact that is all the tea party has. right wing extremists that pay lip service to smaller government and reduced spending.

you can not say that this is not the tea party platform because these issues are uniform in ALL the tea party candidates so far.
To be sure there are teocons who have tried to jump on the party bandwagon. You made the false accusation, please show proof that even a majority of the Tea Party candidates support this platform. Put up or shut up boy.

care to answer WHY we heard nothing of the tea party while dubya was expanding the size of government and putting us up to our ears in debt? care to explain WHY not a single tea party candidate was around in 2004, or 2006, or 2008? please, just let me know....WHERE THE FUCK WAS THE TEA PARTY WHEN THE WORST OF IT WAS GOING ON? why the fuck did you guys all of a sudden come out of the woodwork with suc vehement hatred once a black democrat occupied the white house?
The Tea Party was formed in 2007 by Ron Paul. Why do you not know this? Why are you so uninformed? Why do you say you agree with alot of what Ron Paul says yet have no idea what he stands for? Answer because you are full of it. The proof is in the pudding. keep laughing boy you're the only joke around here.

maybe you are confused with Ru Paul???
 

Parker

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hell, i never even noticed parker brought up race. if i bring up race often it's only because it is often a factor in whatever the hell i'm talking about. and if you feel my brush is too broad, show me. point out to me all the tea party candidates vying for nominations in 2004, 2006, and 2008 that i missed.
Ron Paul. He formed the Tea Party in 2007. And you say you agree with him on a lot of things? You don't know him.
 

Parker

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Whats next? LOL

I didnt make up a SINGLE thing, yeah they all stand for fiscal responsibility, but they ALL stand for some if not all of the things Ive listed.
Fact is they all support at least 3/4 of those points....for instance EVERY candidate listed supports the full ban of abortion. If you werent too lazy to actually learn about the candidates and the "movement" you so eager to defend you might not be defending them.

They are bullshitting you and others, and you are either too angry or too gullible to see it.
Cling to your guns and religion, I'll stick with the truth.
lmao You are the one bullshitting. They support 3/4 of these things???? hogwash, btw since its 5 points maybe you mean 4/5?

1.The full federal ban on ALL abortions including those i the case of rape /incest
Abortions are states rights. That is why they say they want smaller federal government. maybe you are confused with what the tea party stands for.

2. The privatization of Social Security and Medicare

Privitization is an option. Another option, Tea Party candidates have offered, the best imo, is to allow people to opt out of the SS forceful theft program.
What you are missing is the costly government intervention. Have you not heard of the billions of theft involved? Do you not understand the rising costs of these programs are due to government interference because it minimizes competition? Do you not understand it is immoral and illegal to steal MY money for YOUR causes? What is wrong with you that you were raised to think stealing is okay?

Reduce the debt When SS was formed people died alot younger. The ratio was 50 to 1 paying into and receiving. Now the ratio is 4 to 1. Where is the money going to comefrom? Raising the SS age is another option.

3. There is no separation between church and state
I don't see this. Can you provide an example of what this means so I can comment?

4. federal ban on Gay Marriage
states rights again The question should be, why is the government involved in the marriage business? It should go BACK to the churches where it belongs. The government has no right to deny others marriage. The individual or the private business can decide for themselves to recognize it. Like i said you do not understand the meaning behind the Tea Party and wanting smaller federal government. So how can you comment. They want local control.

5. We as a nation are engaged in a Holy War w/ Islam, and are near the "end times"
THIS is the issue that causes some division with the teocons and Tea Party. To be sure there are teocons who believe in war. Mainly republicans. Their are some democrats who NOW believe in it also. That was the dems redeeming value. Anti war. Where'd they all run off to now? Why are we still illegally occupying a sovereign nation? Why did we invade a country when that country did not attack us?

What you fail to see is when someone calls themselves something it doesn't make it true. Like when someone says hope and change.

How can you make comments on the tea party when you do not understand what small government and lowering the debt means? If you don't know ask.
 

Johnnyorganic

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I warned you, Buck.

I told you the Progressive fixation on O'Donnell might be counterproductive because the distraction would give the Teabaggers the opportunity to fuck around in races previously considered safe for Democrats.

The election ain't nowhere near over, but it ain't looking good for the Dees.

In fact, it's looking downright awful.

:fire:
 

UncleBuck

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I warned you, Buck.

I told you the Progressive fixation on O'Donnell might be counterproductive because the distraction would give the Teabaggers the opportunity to fuck around in races previously considered safe for Democrats.

The election ain't nowhere near over, but it ain't looking good for the Dees.

In fact, it's looking downright awful.

:fire:
the exact point of this post, which i have been eagerly waiting for you to chime in on.

question for you: suppose you lived in wisconsin...would you vote for feingold, johnson, or neither?

feingold was slightly leading up until o'donnell came on the scene. i haven't followed it closely so i can't say why johnson suddenly has a 90% chance of winning (according to nate at 538.com). but something is rotten in denmark.
 

UncleBuck

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keep laughing fool

To be sure there are teocons who have tried to jump on the party bandwagon. You made the false accusation, please show proof that even a majority of the Tea Party candidates support this platform. Put up or shut up boy.

The Tea Party was formed in 2007 by Ron Paul. Why do you not know this? Why are you so uninformed? Why do you say you agree with alot of what Ron Paul says yet have no idea what he stands for? Answer because you are full of it. The proof is in the pudding. keep laughing boy you're the only joke around here.

maybe you are confused with Ru Paul???
so i am an uninformed, foolish, full of it, joke of a boy who has no idea?

nice insults. i am sooooooo butthurt.

in case you did not read the op, i already made the case that teapublicans support an extreme platform. at this point, the burden of proof is on you to disprove it, which you can't. i have visited their websites as well as other sources and know their positions. you should do the same and get back to me. they all support the extreme positions i enumerated in my op....and then some (i ran out of steam, so omitted some of the less extreme positions).

i have also visited ron paul's website....frequently. i know what he stands for. among his stances is the belief that the government should invade my wife's uterus against her constitutional rights. why do you feel the need to keep telling me, against reality, that i am uninformed and have no idea what he stands for? what the fuck is your problem?
 

Johnnyorganic

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the exact point of this post, which i have been eagerly waiting for you to chime in on.

question for you: suppose you lived in wisconsin...would you vote for feingold, johnson, or neither?

feingold was slightly leading up until o'donnell came on the scene. i haven't followed it closely so i can't say why johnson suddenly has a 90% chance of winning (according to nate at 538.com). but something is rotten in denmark.
I stated a long time ago that my only goal in this election is to drive the Democrats from power.

And as a classical liberal, independent Conservative citizen in this election....

My vote in such a hypothetical situation should not be hard to figure out.

I would vote for the candidate best poised to defeat the Democrat.
 

UncleBuck

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1.The full federal ban on ALL abortions including those i the case of rape /incest
Abortions are states rights. That is why they say they want smaller federal government. maybe you are confused with what the tea party stands for.


false. the right to choose is a constitutionally-protected right. it is NOT a state issue.

question: suppose your wife or daughter was raped by a family member. would you force her to carry the fetus to term? because ron paul, sharron angle, christine o'donnell, joe miller, and ken buck all would.

so much for smaller government.

3. There is no separation between church and state
I don't see this. Can you provide an example of what this means so I can comment?
see 'sharron angle'.

4. federal ban on Gay Marriage
states rights again The question should be, why is the government involved in the marriage business? It should go BACK to the churches where it belongs. The government has no right to deny others marriage. The individual or the private business can decide for themselves to recognize it. Like i said you do not understand the meaning behind the Tea Party and wanting smaller federal government. So how can you comment. They want local control.
false again. gays are entitled to equal protection under the law as provided by the 14th amendment. leave it up to the churches and almost no gays could be married (unless they found a rabbi, gotta love judaism for its progressiveness).

did you not read the op? i clearly mentioned toomey. he voted FOR a constitutional BAN on gay marriage.

you are out of your element.
 

UncleBuck

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I stated a long time ago that my only goal in this election is to drive the Democrats from power.

And as a classical liberal, independent Conservative citizen in this election....

My vote in such a hypothetical situation should not be hard to figure out.

I would vote for the candidate best poised to defeat the Democrat.
alrighty then.

so you would support ron johnson, a candidate who has opposed eliminating the statute of limitations on victims of child abuse (among other nutty shit) in order to get rid of the only person to vote against the patriot act?

don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

respect...level....dropping
 

darkdestruction420

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i really feel the surprise nomination of o'donnell was about the best thing that could have happened to the republicans. she draws attention away from closer races like wisconsin, nevada, and colorado where they have morons like buck, johnson, and angle on the ticket.

it will be a really sad statement on the state of politics if the only senator to vote against the patriot act loses his race to an unknown tea partier who opposes the same government subsdies that he once took and opposes eliminating the statute of limitations for victims of child abuse.
russ aint gonna lose, thats bs. ron johnson makes more horrible statements and obviously not thought out at all everyday about. "nafta and cafta have helped us/wisconsin small business and some creative destruction is a good thing." he's fucking saying making it so its so much easier for them to make shit in china or mexico for cheaper and shipping it here is good for america and small business........
 

Johnnyorganic

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The Progressives came off as hypocritical going after O'Donnell for the Wicca thing.

First, apparently it was nothing more than a high school dalliance.

But worse for the Dees, it put them in the position of attacking a traditional minority religion originally targeted, very near annihilated, by Christianity.

Very
bad play on the part of the Democratic strategists.

alrighty then.

so you would support ron johnson, a candidate who has opposed eliminating the statute of limitations on victims of child abuse (among other nutty shit) in order to get rid of the only person to vote against the patriot act?

don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

respect...level....dropping
The statute of limitations should only be limited to murder. Nothing more. Slippery slope, Bra.

And as far as the Patriot Act is concerned, the Big O signed off on an extension of it earlier this year. Or didn't you notice?

What makes you think I give two shits about your respect level?

LOL!
 

UncleBuck

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russ aint gonna lose, thats bs. ron johnson makes more horrible statements and obviously not thought out at all everyday about. "nafta and cafta have helped us/wisconsin small business and some creative destruction is a good thing." he's fucking saying making it so its so much easier for them to make shit in china or mexico for cheaper and shipping it here is good for america and small business........
feingold is the perennial underdog, but he is likely going to lose...

http://elections.nytimes.com/2010/forecasts/senate/wisconsin

i hope wisconsin proves me wrong. i really, really do...but nate at 538 is too good at what he does. 9 to 1 underdog.
 

UncleBuck

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The Progressives came off as hypocritical going after O'Donnell for the Wicca thing.

First, apparently it was nothing more than a high school dalliance.

But worse for the Dees, it put them in the position of attacking a traditional minority religion originally targeted, very near annihilated, by Christianity.

Very
bad play on the part of the Democratic strategists.
my point exactly. her nomination was the best thing that could have happened to the teapublicans.


The statute of limitations should only be limited to murder. Nothing more. Slippery slope, Bra.

And as far as the Patriot Act is concerned, the Big O signed off on an extension of it earlier this year. Or didn't you notice?

What makes you think I give two shits about your respect level?

LOL!
i noticed obama extended certain provisions of the patriot act. i also noticed during the general election that he does not believe in gay marriage, unlike you and i. but this is about anything BUT obama. nice distraction attempt though.

so how do you feel about the lily leadbetter fair pay act? do you feel your wife or daughter should be subject to a statute of limitations regarding her fair pay? or does that only apply to murder?
 

Johnnyorganic

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my point exactly. her nomination was the best thing that could have happened to the teapublicans.

i noticed obama extended certain provisions of the patriot act. i also noticed during the general election that he does not believe in gay marriage, unlike you and i. but this is about anything BUT obama. nice distraction attempt though.

so how do you feel about the lily leadbetter fair pay act? do you feel your wife or daughter should be subject to a statute of limitations regarding her fair pay? or does that only apply to murder?
Distraction? LOL! You opened the door.

I know nothing of this Lilly Ledbetter thing you speak of, but it's irrelevant because my point stands.

The statute of limitations should be limited to murder cases only.

Any
exception puts the camel's nose under the tent.
 

Parker

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false. the right to choose is a constitutionally-protected right. it is NOT a state issue.
sigh you really need to take some classes on this.
"There is not a word in the text of that document, nor in any of its amendments, that conceivably addresses abortion. There is no serious argument based on the text of the Constitution itself that a federal "right to abortion" exists. The federalization of abortion law is based not on constitutional principles, but rather on a social and political construct created out of thin air by the Roe court.”
“Under the 9th and 10th amendments, all authority over matters not specifically addressed in the Constitution remains with state legislatures. Therefore the federal government has no authority whatsoever to involve itself in the abortion issue. So while Roe v. Wade is invalid, a federal law banning abortion across all 50 states would be equally invalid.”

question: suppose your wife or daughter was raped by a family member. would you force her to carry the fetus to term? because ron paul, sharron angle, christine o'donnell, joe miller, and ken buck all would.
so much for smaller government.
this is the thing with people like you that have weak arguments. You are NOT concerned one iota, that the fetus is human, You are more concerned with trying to find out if I am human. What do the circumstances have to do with the RIGHTS of the CONCEIVED????

We can be in agreement that the circumstances of the conception were by force and are tragic. It is also true the woman's rights have been violated. But like I continually say to you, you don't go far enough. You only scratch the surface. Why don't you ask, who is responsible for violating the woman? The child is not. Why are you all for punishing the child?

see 'sharron angle'.
the discussion was about Tea Party being about the following - There is no separation between church and state
the discussion was not about one person, I was asking for the policy that made that statement true.
keep trying though

false again. gays are entitled to equal protection under the law as provided by the 14th amendment. leave it up to the churches and almost no gays could be married (unless they found a rabbi, gotta love judaism for its progressiveness).
agreed gays deserve the same rights as anyone else. Show me where I said otherwise. Your inability to understand my simple statements is not my fault. It lies with you. Many gays have already been married by churches. Also you cannot force a church to preform a service.

did you not read the op? i clearly mentioned toomey. he voted FOR a constitutional BAN on gay marriage.

you are out of your element.
if by out of your element you mean I do not misrepresent others policies like you do, then you are correct. I've already caught you redhanded saying you agree with Ron Paul a lot, when your actions say otherwise. Now the lie is I do not want gays to have equal rights when in fact I do. What's the agenda here? Keep throwing falsehoods in hopes something will stick?
You're worthless and weak, down and give me 20.
 
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