The Ruiners' Hypothetical Questions to 19 Supporters

[The Ruiner]

Since there is so much debate over the 5x5 and cultivation in general, and the (possible) overlap between that part of the bill and the CUA/MMP, if 19 passes, will people still be able to get doctors rec's and, by what everyone is saying, cultivate however much they want, without restrictions in regards to growing space? Therefore, in order to be part of the action in commerce, ordinary people will simply need to get a doctors rec to grow, and distribute as much as they possibly can to dispensaries and other patients, and quite possibly to the "black market" ? What would be the point of passing all new legislation that can be so easily cast aside? What good does 19 do the state, if all it takes to avoid what will more than likely be thousands of dollars in taxes annually is a $35 doctors rec? Wouldn't that just be, as supporters of the bill have put it "more of the same"? Also, how could the commercial interests backing 19 benefit from making it legal for the entire 21 and over population of the state to possess cannabis if they cant possibly compete with a market that has way more advantages in regards to abundant supply and more relaxed regulations? On the flip side of this coin, what will be the motivation for the "casual smoker" to patronize the commercial establishments, with their elevated overhead and strict regulatory scrutiny which will more than likely spell higher prices, versus just getting the doctors rec and going medical?

It just doesnt make sense to me that people with millions riding on the passage and eventual commercial sales of MJ to leave a less regulated and more than likely less expensive competitor. It doesnt make sense to make things harder on yourself, and to pay millions of dollars to do it. It just doesn't make sense for 19 to leave 215 intact if EVERYTHING that is being SAID about 215 being left intact is true.

I would really appreciate someone who fancies themselves as well-versed in 19 to respond.

 

[The Ruiner]

Bumping for answers....

 

[beardo]

Im with you...I think this is an attempt to put more restrictions and penalties on marijuana in California to raise incarceration rates. they will eliminate compitition untill the whole industry in controlled by a couple big companies and they will tax you at unreasonable levels.

 

[MrStickyScissors]

Im with you...I think this is an attempt to put more restrictions and penalties on marijuana in California to raise incarceration rates. they will eliminate compitition untill the whole industry in controlled by a couple big companies and they will tax you at unreasonable levels.

yeah fuck 19

 

[TokinPodPilot]

This should be interesting to watch....

 

[d.s.m.]

I think this is an attempt to put more restrictions and penalties on marijuana in California to raise incarceration rates.

That's just fucking stupid.

This shit is important.

Save your nutball horseshit for one of your own worthless threads. Please.

 

[fdd2blk]

That's just fucking stupid.

This shit is important.

Save your nutball horseshit for one of your own worthless threads. Please.

personal attacks and insults will get this shut down.

you were first.

 

[blazin256]

why would most people even bother with going through the medical process if they could just go to the 7/11 for a dime bag and doritos? but you got too many questions. most people want convenience. that might answer some of your questions.

 

[beardo]

That's just fucking stupid.

This shit is important.

Save your nutball horseshit for one of your own worthless threads. Please.

Did i mention prop 19 will also raise unemployment rates poverty rates homelessness and outsource more U.S. jobs

 

[beardo]

why would most people even bother with going through the medical process if they could just go to the 7/11 for a dime bag and doritos? but you got too many questions. most people want convenience. that might answer some of your questions.

This is being sold as the vote to "legalize marijuana' in california but that is not all it says. If it just stated " marijuana is not prohibited in california for those 18 and older' I would be very happy. even if it was for 21 and over even if they wanted to subject it to a standard 10% tax...if it were that simple I would be so happy. You or I could have written a great prop...but the people who wrote it and the people putting up the money behind this have other agendas. You should be able to buy marijuana at 7-11 I agree. I just think this is a trick

 

[blazin256]

i dunno...maybe it'll be ok untill it's legalized nation wide.

 

[TokinPodPilot]

Maybe is a bit sketchy for something that could become the law of the land for a long time. Remember the lesson of People vs. Kelly. A voter initiative is near impossible to change except with another voter initiative. And what's the likelihood of garnering support for change later once commercial interests have staked out their positions?

 

[MrStickyScissors]

fucken california. resorting to drug dealing! thats my job!

 

[The Ruiner]

Anybody from the 19 camp want to take a stab at this? I am quite interested in your answers....

 

[Johnny Retro]

Youve got to be kidding me.
Weve been waiting for this for YEARS upon YEARS and now it dosent fit correctly with the stoners view of how it should be legalized?
You people are ridiculous

 

[The Ruiner]

Youve got to be kidding me.
Weve been waiting for this for YEARS upon YEARS and now it dosent fit correctly with the stoners view of how it should be legalized?
You people are ridiculous

I havent been waiting for this at all...I wish you were actually part of the CA Canna-community. Things have been downright NASTY here. It pretty much is war out there right now...and 19 is a part of that. For you to say that the backbone of the cannabis community in california for the last 15 years is ridiculous shows how disconnected you are from the issue, and an overall lack of perspective and respect for people that have helped to shape the culture.

Move to california, or hold your piece.

 

[Johnny Retro]

It seems to me that the only people against it are the people growing for money..
kinda ironic, wouldnt ya say?

 

[fdd2blk]

It seems to me that the only people against it are the people growing for money..
kinda ironic, wouldnt ya say?

got ANY proof to back this at all. it's a HUGE # so it should be easy enough to find.

richard lee grows for money and he wrote the damn thing.

 

[Johnny Retro]

fucken california. resorting to drug dealing! thats my job!

example number 1

got ANY proof to back this at all. it's a HUGE # so it should be easy enough to find.

richard lee grows for money and he wrote the damn thing.

And your my second example.

Its funny how they just come outa the wood work

 

[fdd2blk]

example number 1

And your my second example.

Its funny how they just come outa the wood work

wow, that's one. you said "the ONLY people". you do realize it's pretty close in the polls? it's like 40% of the state is dealing drugs. i really doubt that.