Howard Dean is scary!!!!!
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stewie
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Here is the official count from the guy hired by the satellite company to count the people at the rally. The same guy President Obama used . I used Goggle! http://stevedoig.com/archives/250
He estimated 800,000 people! Before you attack this article I would read it!!!!
I was wrong! sorry people! I shorted it by 300,000.
stewie
HomeGrown&Smoked
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I picked up on that part, but what makes this entertaining is seeing you put forth valid and understandable points, making baby stewie argue himself in circles.
It's like watching a cat "play" with a mouse . . . just funnier and less tragic.
+rep Uncle Buck
HomeGrown&Smoked
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Yeah dude, the 800,000 was from jan 20, 2009- Obama's inaguration. IF you have read further, or can read for that matter, he estimated the crowd to be around 80,000
"My estimate is that about 80,000 people were at the rally. "
Now, what do you have to say to that?
UncleBuck
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i would say that some people are just poor consumers of information.
i can usually pick them out from a mile away when they have a link on their profile to wallbuilders.com, a website with glenn beck featured prominently in their ads. it becomes easier to spot them when they try to argue one of glenn beck's favorite talking points...
stewie
Member
OK 7 pages of fact and one mistake. My bad! Shall we count the flat out lies to the one mistake! See what happens when you have a real belief system you can say I made a mistake.
stewie
HomeGrown&Smoked
Active Member
With an end result of
HomeGrown&Smoked
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You can lead a horse's ass to water but you can't make him think.
UncleBuck
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i believe in judeo-christian values. is that a real belief system'?
stewie
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as further proof of this, i clicked on the wallbuilders.com link in your profile....no big surprise....the first ad was for his dumbass rally and the second ad was 'as seen on Glenn beck'.[/FONT]
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[FONT="] i can usually pick them out from a mile away when they have a link on their profile to wallbuilders.com [/FONT]
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LOL in 25 posts you went from finding out about the website to a The Liberal internet police stopping us a mile away! Wow Im happy you found a meaning in life. I must confess I like reading true books not playing dungeon and dragons. [/FONT]
[FONT="]Should we review?[/FONT]
[FONT="]Social Justice has no place in OUR country! A Fire department is not the same as paying for someone here illegally, people that want to have bunches of kids that can't afford it. Shall I go on![/FONT]
[FONT="]You claim[/FONT] [FONT="] a site that sells History books and Historical information is somehow a conspiracy theory.[/FONT][FONT="]
[/FONT][FONT="]You say[/FONT] [FONT="] inalienable rights when its unalienable rights . If you had read the Declaration of Independence one time you would have know. [/FONT][FONT="]
[/FONT] [FONT="] You twist words to say [/FONT][FONT="]catholics are christians, genius when if fact it is -Christians are not all Catholics ![/FONT]
[FONT="]Once again if your knowledge is so great the why will you not discuss liberal President Woodrow Wilson. Why not discuss how racist he was his love of the KKK and the liberal democrat voting record on civil rights issues![/FONT]
[FONT="]Once again Your Flawed Liberal Philosophy Fails You.Your only claim is telling lies and twisting words and belittling.
You Liberals are sure a class act and full of all kinds of stuff!
stewie
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BudMcLovin
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The military is for the defense of the nation. It is not a social justice program. Please explain how defending the country is a social justice program. Do you think that just because poverty stricken people lived in America at the time they did it for them? I don’t, a nation needs a way to defend itself from enemies wither or not all the citizen can contribute.
Franklin didn’t patent it as an individual choice. He would have been against the government forcing him. There is a big difference between making a personal decision to do or give something for the benefit of others and the government forcing you to do or give. Here’s what Franklin thought about social justice.
“I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth I traveled much, and I observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.”
If any of the founding fathers believed in helping people in poverty it would have been a personal choice not one that should be dictated by the government.
Thomas Jefferson “The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.” And ” I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it”
James Madison: “If Congress can do whatever in their discretion can be done by money, and will promote the General Welfare, the Government is no longer a limited one, possessing enumerated powers, but an indefinite one, subject to particular exceptions.”
Quotes from here.
I for one watch Glen Beck from time to time and enjoy his program, but he is not posting in this thread unless I’m mistaken. So why keep taking shots at him?
hanimmal
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So here is what I had said:
Do you somehow think that a bogot today is going to vote for the party that is trying to help gay people have the same rights, immigration rights, understanding and speak out that muslims have just as much right to live here in america as christians, and not least at all vote for a black president?
Somehow you think that a bigot is not going to be voting for a republican in todays climate?
You had me at the first line. Sign me up.
Because anything that is build around slaughtering a man and hanging him by his flesh is too fucked up in the head for me to join.
UncleBuck
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copying my style now, i see. imitation being the sincerest form of flattery, i will take this as a compliment. i'm glad you got over your dungeon and dragons phase, hopefully this parroting glenn beck phase will blow over soon as well.
too bad i never said that there should be nothing but social justice...just pointed out how our founding fathers made some allowance for it. you've been thoroughly whooped on this point already
i never said it implied a conspiracy, i said it informed me of who i was talking to: a glenn beck disciple. this is simply more evidence that you have extremely poor reading comprehension.
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so sorry, but it does not change the meaning. inalienable and unalienable mean the same thing.
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no twisting of words here, we are both right. ALL catholics are christians, but not all christians are catholics.
because it is irrelevant to my assertion that the founding fathers made some allowances for social justice. it is simply your attempt to try to demonize liberals and shift the issue away from your complete fail...did you learn that tactic from glenn beck?
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[/FONT]when i was quoting bible verses, would that count as telling lies, twisting words, or belittling? or were my bible quotes 'flawed liberal philosophy'? last time i checked, bible verses fell under judeo-christian values.
did you ever check out tzedakah and tikkun olam? just curious...
UncleBuck
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because the point in contention is 'did the founding fathers allow for some degree of social justice'?
this is an argument that did not exist until that asshat beck showed up.
clearly, you understand that yes, the founding fathers DID allow for some degree of social justice. and at least you have your own original thoughts and make better points than our little friend stewie. for that i will excuse you for occasionally deriving entertainment value from that manipulative and lying scumbag who should have drank himself to death when he had the chance.
stewie
Member
UncleBuck,
Once again lets reflect back at the history of this conversation to point "YOUR" Liberal misguided information. Information misguided to solely mislead the reader. What does that say about your argument when you have to LIE and use misquoted information in defend your stand?
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“i pointed out that social justice and judeo-christian values go hand in hand.”
No they do not! They fit within the Catholic religion. The founding fathers did not want Catholics to hold any type of office. If the Catholics (and as YOU claim people of Jewish Faith) want to practice social Justice is should be within the religion itself not GOVERNMENT! SO NO IT WAS NEVER INTENDED OR LOOK AS PART OF “OUR” nation! Should we allow the government to stone someone just because of one’s faith?
[FONT="]Social Justice has no place in “OUR” country![/FONT][FONT="] A Fire department is not the same as paying for someone here illegally, people that want to have bunches of kids that can't afford it. Shall I go on![/FONT]
[FONT="]You claim[/FONT] [FONT="]a site that sells History books and Historical information is somehow a conspiracy theory.
You say[/FONT] [FONT="]inalienable rights when it’s unalienable rights[/FONT][FONT="] . If you had read the Declaration of Independence one time you would have know. [/FONT][FONT="]
You twist words to say “catholics are christians, genius “when in fact it is -Christians are not all Catholics ![/FONT]
“ [FONT="]Your[/FONT]”[FONT="] Liberal Hero President Woodrow Wilson, the founder of today’s Liberal movement own words.[/FONT]
[FONT="]When a delegation of blacks protested these actions, Wilson told them that “Segregation is not a humiliation but a benefit, and ought to be so regarded by you gentlemen.”
Read more: http://quazen.com/reference/biography/woodrow-wilson-the-reality/#ixzz0zFLP5EAq[/FONT]
[FONT="]Your trail of lies and deception are all YOU have. Your flawed liberal philosophical views blind you! I have history and facts!
stewie
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Once again lets reflect back at the history of this conversation to point "YOUR" Liberal misguided information. Information misguided to solely mislead the reader. What does that say about your argument when you have to LIE and use misquoted information in defend your stand?
Post # 16
“i pointed out that social justice and judeo-christian values go hand in hand.”
No they do not! They fit within the Catholic religion. The founding fathers did not want Catholics to hold any type of office. If the Catholics (and as YOU claim people of Jewish Faith) want to practice social Justice is should be within the religion itself not GOVERNMENT! SO NO IT WAS NEVER INTENDED OR LOOK AS PART OF “OUR” nation! Should we allow the government to stone someone just because of one’s faith?
[FONT="]Social Justice has no place in “OUR” country![/FONT][FONT="] A Fire department is not the same as paying for someone here illegally, people that want to have bunches of kids that can't afford it. Shall I go on![/FONT]
[FONT="]You claim[/FONT] [FONT="]a site that sells History books and Historical information is somehow a conspiracy theory.
You say[/FONT] [FONT="]inalienable rights when it’s unalienable rights[/FONT][FONT="] . If you had read the Declaration of Independence one time you would have know. [/FONT][FONT="]
You twist words to say “catholics are christians, genius “when in fact it is -Christians are not all Catholics ![/FONT]
“ [FONT="]Your[/FONT]”[FONT="] Liberal Hero President Woodrow Wilson, the founder of today’s Liberal movement own words.[/FONT]
[FONT="]When a delegation of blacks protested these actions, Wilson told them that “Segregation is not a humiliation but a benefit, and ought to be so regarded by you gentlemen.”
Read more: http://quazen.com/reference/biography/woodrow-wilson-the-reality/#ixzz0zFLP5EAq[/FONT]
[FONT="]Your trail of lies and deception are all YOU have. Your flawed liberal philosophical views blind you! I have history and facts!
stewie
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UncleBuck
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hahahaha, now you are just posting the same damn copy and paste.
clearly, you do not have an original thught in your head.
like a dog chasing its own tail.
[video=youtube;XoS-MCnTPtQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoS-MCnTPtQ[/video]
how many more ible quotes about mercy towards the poor d you want me to post before you see that judeo-christian values and social justice DO go hand in hand?
clearly, you do not have an original thught in your head.
like a dog chasing its own tail.
[video=youtube;XoS-MCnTPtQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoS-MCnTPtQ[/video]
how many more ible quotes about mercy towards the poor d you want me to post before you see that judeo-christian values and social justice DO go hand in hand?
stewie
Member
UncleBuck,
As commander of the Liberal internet police I think you should review your history! ( see below for clarification )
Somehow you think belittlement tactics will win your case! Facts are Facts.
No they do not! They fit within the Catholic religion. The founding fathers did not want Catholics to hold any type of office. If the Catholics (and as YOU claim people of Jewish Faith) want to practice social Justice is should be within the religion itself not government. Social justice WAS NEVER INTENDED OR BE PART OF OUR NATION! Should we allow the government to be stone someone to death because of someones faith?
Social Justice has no place in OUR country! A Fire department is not the same as paying for someone here illegally, people that want to have bunches of kids that can't afford it, giving money to groups to help people scam us. Shall I go on!
You twist words to say catholics are christians, genius when in fact it is -Christians are not all Catholics!
COMMANDER UncleBuck
In post# 40 you wrote
In post#65 you wrote
LOL in 25 posts you went from finding out about the website to a The Commander of the Liberal internet police, stopping us a mile away! Wow Im happy you found a meaning in life. I must confess I like reading true books not playing dungeon and dragons.
YOUR FLAWED LIBERAL PHILOSOPHICAL VIEWS convince only YOU. Your quotes are all classic lies and misquoted liberal vomit used to cloud issues that you have no knowledge of.
I take your belittlement with great pleasure, it is the varnish for your ignorance!
stewie
As commander of the Liberal internet police I think you should review your history! ( see below for clarification )
Somehow you think belittlement tactics will win your case! Facts are Facts.
Post # 16
UncleBuck says i pointed out that social justice and judeo-christian values go hand in hand.
No they do not! They fit within the Catholic religion. The founding fathers did not want Catholics to hold any type of office. If the Catholics (and as YOU claim people of Jewish Faith) want to practice social Justice is should be within the religion itself not government. Social justice WAS NEVER INTENDED OR BE PART OF OUR NATION! Should we allow the government to be stone someone to death because of someones faith?
UncleBuck says franklin's founding of the fire dept and libararies, the founding fathers' instituting the usps, the military, and public thoroughfares....these are FACTS in reference to Social Justice.
Social Justice has no place in OUR country! A Fire department is not the same as paying for someone here illegally, people that want to have bunches of kids that can't afford it, giving money to groups to help people scam us. Shall I go on!
UncleBuck Says 'all men are created equal and endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights' <---if that is not a central tenet of social justice, i don't know what is.
It is sad you try to run and hide under this quote. Especially when YOU MISQUOTE THE PHRASE
UncleBuck Says inalienable rights when its unalienable rights .
If you had read The Declaration of Independence just one time you would have know.
You twist words to say catholics are christians, genius when in fact it is -Christians are not all Catholics!
COMMANDER UncleBuck
In post# 40 you wrote
as further proof of this, i clicked on the wallbuilders.com link in your profile....no big surprise....the first ad was for his dumbass rally and the second ad was 'as seen on Glenn beck'.
In post#65 you wrote
i can usually pick them out from a mile away when they have a link on their profile to wallbuilders.com
LOL in 25 posts you went from finding out about the website to a The Commander of the Liberal internet police, stopping us a mile away! Wow Im happy you found a meaning in life. I must confess I like reading true books not playing dungeon and dragons.
YOUR FLAWED LIBERAL PHILOSOPHICAL VIEWS convince only YOU. Your quotes are all classic lies and misquoted liberal vomit used to cloud issues that you have no knowledge of.
I take your belittlement with great pleasure, it is the varnish for your ignorance!
stewie
UncleBuck
Well-Known Member
The Obligation of Tzedakah
Giving to the poor is an obligation in Judaism, a duty that cannot be forsaken even by those who are themselves in need. Some sages have said that tzedakah is the highest of all commandments, equal to all of them combined, and that a person who does not perform tzedakah is equivalent to an idol worshipper.
"Tikkun olam" (literally, "world repair") has come to connote social action and the pursuit of social justice.
Proverbs 11:24-25
One man gives freely, yet gains even more; another withholds unduly, but comes to poverty. A generous man will prosper; he who refreshes others will himself be refreshed.
Proverbs 14:21
He who despises his neighbor sins,but blessed is he who is kind to the needy.
Proverbs 14:31
He who oppresses the poor shows contempt for their Maker, but whoever is kind to the needy honors God.
Proverbs 19:17
He who is kind to the poor lends to the LORD, and he will reward him for what he has done.
Proverbs 31:8-9
Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves, for the rights of all who are destitute. Speak up and judge fairly; defend the rights of the poor and needy.
Isaiah 1:17
Learn to do right! Seek justice, encourage the oppressed. Defend the cause of the fatherless, plead the case of the widow.
Ezekiel 16:49
Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.
Mark 10:21
Jesus looked at him and loved him. "One thing you lack," he said. "Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."
Luke 12:33
Sell your possessions and give to the poor. Provide purses for yourselves that will not wear out, a treasure in heaven that will not be exhausted, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys.
Leviticus 23:22
When you reap the harvest of your land, do not reap to the very edges of your field or gather the gleanings of your harvest. Leave them for the poor and the alien. I am the LORD your God.