i love how people keep saying "more than an ounce and you are a dealer".
pretty moronic statement. just goes to show the intelligence on the YES side.
Vote NO on prop 19... (great read for anyone that will be voting in november in cali)
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i love how people keep saying "more than an ounce and you are a dealer".
pretty moronic statement. just goes to show the intelligence on the YES side.
The Potologist
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With all due respect , both sides have considerable amounts of moronic statues. Voting NO against OUR BELOVED HERB...is a NON-STARTERi love how people keep saying "more than an ounce and you are a dealer".
pretty moronic statement. just goes to show the intelligence on the YES side.
Or at least it should be. Any progression AWAY from PROHIBITION is a start. It is absolutely ignorrant ( not implying anybody is) to continue to dwell in the abject and utter failures of Prohibition. Regardless of laws being enforced or not, at the end of the day, our harmless little plant is still on the black list where IT DOES NOT BELONG, IMO The movement is to FREE a plant that should be FREE. Lets achieve that goal first, then work out the road bumps along the way. I believe Prop 19 is A START...We are human beings who can work out the rusty spots once we get the plant free from those who support Prohibition Bottom line...VOTING NO SUPPORTS PROHIBITION...there is no in between or two ways around it. It is what it is. If you vote no, you are supporting Prohibition. Unless you have not suffered enough consequences of Prohibition(I know I have), then say No
Peace, Love, and Happiness
With all due respect , both sides have considerable amounts of moronic statues. Voting NO against OUR BELOVED HERB...is a NON-STARTER
Bottom line...VOTING NO SUPPORTS PROHIBITION...there is no in between or two ways around it. It is what it is. If you vote no, you are supporting Prohibition. Unless you have not suffered enough consequences of Prohibition(I know I have), then say No
Peace, Love, and Happiness
i do not believe prop 19 is the proper bill.
it's cool that we can disagree.
The Potologist
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Brotha I can not agree with you morei do not believe prop 19 is the proper bill.
it's cool that we can disagree.
Prop 19 IS FAR FROM THE RIGHT BILL....but its a start. I just cant find myself to support the hypocracies of loving my herb but voting to keep it in prohibition. Its just seems illogical. It seems very defeating to support the people who want to lock "smokers and growers" alike up 
I would much rather it NOT BE Prohibited ( regardless of how jacked up bill 19 is) ....I always believed me and you can have a civilized debate Bongs to you~Peace, Love, and Happiness
The Potologist
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scenario -
you are unemployed. you are offered a job shoveling rotten kittens into a meat grinder for minimum wage. do you take it?
hey, at least it's a job.
AHAHAHA...Gotta love it
Im gonna go with the Nirvana clause and believe its okay to eat fish because they dont have any feelings Rationally speaking, I am sure most would. But I am still trying to link what you are suggestting...does this have a conection to prop 19? Are you trying to compare voting yes to shoveling rotten kittens into a meat grinder for minimum wage? lol...tad confused...working on 99 rips this morning LMAo...j/k...anyways...could ya give me a little clarification...OH if YOU ARE OFFERING ME this position...I would be honored to work along side you as Professional Kitten Grinders...I have heard its a high demaning job 
The Potologist
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We are not giving the power to them. THEY ALREADY HAVE IT ALL. With Some form of legalization and regulation WE TAKE SOME POWER BACK. We get to WORK THIS ISSUE OUT! We get
out of Prohibition. Voting Against Prop 19 ....Gonna keep things status quo
Until it passes or fails...its all wishful thinking!
NLXSK1
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scenario -
you are unemployed. you are offered a job shoveling rotten kittens into a meat grinder for minimum wage. do you take it?
hey, at least it's a job.
Yeah... I thought I heard that one somewhere before ;]
10jed
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Help me understand your point fdd! I understand that there are med users who go through more than that in a day, but that is not the norm. I understand that maybe some people would like to go buy an ounce each of multiple varieties from the pot shop, but you will have to make a couple of trips or take a risk. Pretty small inconvenience for legality, no? When would you need to carry over an ounce, and can you not see how the average person who will be voting on this bill would think an ounce on your person is far more than reasonable? It is like liqueur stores not being able to sell liqueur after a certain time at night. They do that so people who are drunk off their asses already don' make another trip for more booze. the law isn't there to fuck with people who work 3rd shift!i love how people keep saying "more than an ounce and you are a dealer".
pretty moronic statement. just goes to show the intelligence on the YES side.
Give me reasons other than purchasing convenience or rare medical need that would require a person to carry more than an ounce? Then tell me ways that leo would find it using probable cause under prop 19. I'm not being confrontational here, I just want to understand how the opposition is thinking this is such a big deal.
Jed
you do understand what a "scenario" is don't you?
whereas, on the other hand, some people would have you believe there really is a kitten shoveling job.
i use 2 ounces to make butter. i use 50 grams when i make honey oil, that's what it takes to fill my extractor.
i want a good explanation to the reasoning behind ANY limit. they don't limit my beer purchases.
if i smell like booze, cops will fuck with me.
they always have in the past anyways. regardless if i was driving or not. the smell of alcohol is probable cause and alcohol IS legal.
10jed
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You aren't helping me understand fdd! You can make your 2 oz butter and your 50 gram honey oil at home. What does that have to do with you carrying around more than an ounce? Reasoning for limit is to prevent street dealing.
Jed
you are not allowed to posses more than an ounce.
don't try to convince me of the magic closet rule either. that is BS. you are only allowed AN OUNCE. whether you are at home or across town.
you just asked me to tell you when i'd need more than an ounce. so i did. what don't you get? you said ANYONE needing more is a dealer. you're wrong.
10jed
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That is not true! It clearly says that you can keep whatever you grow legally in the place that you grow it! You just can't carry it on your person. It clearly says that fdd. and if you still can't compute that partyou are not allowed to posses more than an ounce.
don't try to convince me of the magic closet rule either. that is BS. you are only allowed AN OUNCE. whether you are at home or across town.
you just asked me to tell you when i'd need more than an ounce. so i did. what don't you get? you said ANYONE needing more is a dealer. you're wrong.
just pretend you can, and then tell me when you would need to leave your house with more than an ounce. Jed
no, it does not.That is not true! It clearly says that you can keep whatever you grow legally in the place that you grow it! You just can't carry it on your person. It clearly says that fdd. and if you still can't compute that part
Jed
tell me the reason for the limits in the first place. why the 5 x 5 limit? why the one ounce limit? explain that first. then i'll tell you, AGAIN, why i need to exceed it.
The Potologist
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Me again buddyno, it does not.
tell me the reason for the limits in the first place. why the 5 x 5 limit? why the one ounce limit? explain that first. then i'll tell you, AGAIN, why i need to exceed it.
I agree with you...the "limitations" set forth in Prop 19 are just ignorrant. I think most people can find a need or reason to exceed said limit. I believe richard agrees with the size limitations is because anything over 1000watts of juice "generally" creates an elevated risk of fire hazards. HOWEVER, that is no reason to set such small limits. HOWEVER, even with the limitations...its not a reason to vote against Prop 19 bud. Its a start, like I said. Even with a Medical Permit we should still stay focused on getting our sacred herb FREE We can always work out the road bumbs with admendments to the bill. Amendments are more cost effective than just siding with prohibition. BTW, great views, opinions and debates today brotha! I appreciate were your mind is at Peace, Love, and Happiness
skate4theherb
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what does it mader about the grow space,if you already grow illegal. and the same goes for the 1oz?
wouldnt be better that they just take your plants away,then you losing your plants and going to jail?
wouldnt be better that they just take your plants away,then you losing your plants and going to jail?
10jed
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Man, they just don't want illegal sales. Shit fdd I have seen your threads, and your how-to's and I think we both know that if you wanted to you could pull a pound out of a shoebox grow! The garden size limits are to maintain personal consumption only. A monkey could pull a pound out of a 5x5 grow and the average consumer uses about a 1/2 of that in a year. 5x5 is enough for the bulk of smokers (that function in society) to grow whatever they need. An ounce on your person is more than enough for most people to travel with. Most people buy an eighth at a time or a quarter. An ounce is a reasonable deterrent to separate personal use from intent to sell.no, it does not.
tell me the reason for the limits in the first place. why the 5 x 5 limit? why the one ounce limit? explain that first. then i'll tell you, AGAIN, why i need to exceed it.
I agree that the word process shouldn't be in (i), but regardless it corrects itself in (iii) where it says you can process and possess whatever you legally grow. That may add confusion but it doesn't change what is written. It is very clear in (iii) even if it is cloudy in (i).to grow and dry is to "process". it clearly says you can only "process" one ounce. you do that at home. the same home you aren't allowed to smoke in if anyone under 21 is there.
i'm not as easily fooled.
As for smoking in front of people under 21, it specifically says smoke and it says space. It doesn't say you can't vape, or eat edibles, or use tinctures. That is there to protect people from second hand smoke, and that is reasonable. Space does not imply an entire house any more than it implies a whole city. Just go to the other room or ask your kid to go, or vape or eat your 2 oz brownies. Problem solved! Do you really smoke in front of your kids now? Do you currently have legal protection from that? The prop says it isn't LEGAL to do so but it doesn't say there is any penalty for it. How would anyone ever even know if you did? That statement about "space" doen't even say in your home. I'm sure that is part of the intent but they had to clarify that people under 21 are prohibited in any place that it is legal to smoke. This is again perfectly reasonable.
So, now why do you need to leave your home with more than an ounce?
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