The Official Canna Coco & Nutrients Thread
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RockstarEnergy
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jberry hows it going? its been a while since i've been on here haha. i asked this in the other coco thread but remembered you frequent this one more.
do you know anything about growing outdoors with coco? im starting my second guerilla grow this summer and my plan is to dig holes and fill them with a mix of coco and either potting soil or compost. i grew in pots last summer and it rained about 2-3 days a week. im pretty sure my roots got a little drowned because my plants were stunted. my thoughts are that the coco will provide good drainage for the roots but the soil/compost with keep it moist so i dont have to water as much as straight coco. the mix will also provide nutrients so i wont have to feed as much. Plus i still have almost a whole bag left over from this winter that i need to use up.
is this logic correct? i realize this is an indoor thread but you helped me all winter so i thought i'd ask here before posting in the outdoor forum.
thanks dude
do you know anything about growing outdoors with coco? im starting my second guerilla grow this summer and my plan is to dig holes and fill them with a mix of coco and either potting soil or compost. i grew in pots last summer and it rained about 2-3 days a week. im pretty sure my roots got a little drowned because my plants were stunted. my thoughts are that the coco will provide good drainage for the roots but the soil/compost with keep it moist so i dont have to water as much as straight coco. the mix will also provide nutrients so i wont have to feed as much. Plus i still have almost a whole bag left over from this winter that i need to use up.
is this logic correct? i realize this is an indoor thread but you helped me all winter so i thought i'd ask here before posting in the outdoor forum.
thanks dude
jrad092
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Ok why though? I live in the desert and there really isnt any dirt or compost around here just dried twigs
And I dont understand what you mean when you wrote "I would dig it at least 3x the size of the container I was planting"
I use the COGr cus thats what the guy at STG told me to use with the coco
jberry
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the answer you quoted was meant for rockstars question.
im not sure why the guy at STG would recommend cogr nutes for the regular bagged coco... you should ask him... maybe he knows something i dont or maybe he made a mistake?
im not sure why the guy at STG would recommend cogr nutes for the regular bagged coco... you should ask him... maybe he knows something i dont or maybe he made a mistake?
RockstarEnergy
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good stuff dude thanks! do you think canna coco A+B will still do the job or is there too much other stuff added to the coir now?
jrad092
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I read that it was meant for the COGr slabs and its meant for more advanced growers (deffinitely not me as you can tell) Im ordering some coco a+b tonight!
jberry
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if u have some a/b left over then you could try using it, otherwise i would get something designed for soil.
RockstarEnergy
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alright thanks i'll see how it goes
If no one has said this yet, hydroton is a good mixer with coco if you want to (very slightly) improve medium texture. I would of course recommend mixing a pretty small amount though, only a few pebbles per every two inches of soil or so scattered.
Another thing about hydroton is that clay is a big nutrient holder, and will thus hold the canna nutes as a reserve like system, so as long as you are doing what you always should and working your feed up from less nutes to more this along with slight improved drainage will help growth. There are also claims about coco not being the most solid soil structure to hold roots (which it is not), so obviously pebbles will help with that
Another thing about hydroton is that clay is a big nutrient holder, and will thus hold the canna nutes as a reserve like system, so as long as you are doing what you always should and working your feed up from less nutes to more this along with slight improved drainage will help growth. There are also claims about coco not being the most solid soil structure to hold roots (which it is not), so obviously pebbles will help with that
Rockstar, you want to decide basically if you want to go with an organic route or not, the a+b nutes will kill off a good deal of the microbes that are benifical to the plant, however you will get some minerals and other things from the compost that will help it....
I think you said you were in a desert like area, right? if you can find any seldom traveled spots that have water sources near them that would be your best bet, cannabis is demanding and will require your immediate attention in a desert like climate, im afraid, its easier to do obviously outdoors when you can just look in your backyard, even in desert, but guerilla in that situation will be tough and obviously hopefully you are planting now and not any later, i am not sure about how this would all work, but it seems to me since coco holds more water than just about any other medium therefore saving you water trips
I think you said you were in a desert like area, right? if you can find any seldom traveled spots that have water sources near them that would be your best bet, cannabis is demanding and will require your immediate attention in a desert like climate, im afraid, its easier to do obviously outdoors when you can just look in your backyard, even in desert, but guerilla in that situation will be tough and obviously hopefully you are planting now and not any later, i am not sure about how this would all work, but it seems to me since coco holds more water than just about any other medium therefore saving you water trips
jberry
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wow that sounds pretty high! I thought it would be around 1.0 - 1.5. Will seedlings manage 1.6 EC? Ive never done any coco but ive got few crops in soil and I always kept ec at low level avoiding any overfeeding and i was very happy with that. I no that coco is not like soil but i wouldnt even think that it needs to be that high 
thanks for answer.
thanks for answer.
jberry
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Most bagged soil comes with a EC around 1.3 so if you started with 1.3 and then used a solution that had a EC of 1.0, combined you would be feeding a total EC of 2.3 which is on the high end of what I suggested.
Coco is hydro, and for a coco/hydro grow those EC levels (1.6 - 2.4) would be considered to be pretty standard... If you have a "heavy feeder" you could even go higher (2.8 MAX. EC)... Once you are in flower I would use at least a 1.8 EC unless your strain is known to be sensitive to fertilizer (my Chocolope pheno hates fertilizer and can almost get by on just plain water).
For seedlings I wouldnt use much of any nutes at first (around 0.6)... once they do need a little more nutes, I would start at a very low strength (like 0.9 EC) and work it up as needed.
Coco is hydro, and for a coco/hydro grow those EC levels (1.6 - 2.4) would be considered to be pretty standard... If you have a "heavy feeder" you could even go higher (2.8 MAX. EC)... Once you are in flower I would use at least a 1.8 EC unless your strain is known to be sensitive to fertilizer (my Chocolope pheno hates fertilizer and can almost get by on just plain water).
For seedlings I wouldnt use much of any nutes at first (around 0.6)... once they do need a little more nutes, I would start at a very low strength (like 0.9 EC) and work it up as needed.
n1knightmare
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Jberry
I have my White Bubba's in a 18ltr pot with about a 15% perlite 85% coco and they are around 3 months old. Should i re-pot them before going into flower? They are over 3 foot tall now or close to to it? I want the biggest possible harvest and want to make sure the roots have room. I use Full Canna line up + hygrozyme but not boost i use headmasta. Thanks. The pic i included is from a couple of days ago and this one is the smaller of the 2.
I have my White Bubba's in a 18ltr pot with about a 15% perlite 85% coco and they are around 3 months old. Should i re-pot them before going into flower? They are over 3 foot tall now or close to to it? I want the biggest possible harvest and want to make sure the roots have room. I use Full Canna line up + hygrozyme but not boost i use headmasta. Thanks. The pic i included is from a couple of days ago and this one is the smaller of the 2.
