now that its passed

ChChoda

Well-Known Member
Statist quotes...

The Constitution is as relevant now as it was in 1787. Living document.
Ultimately, though, I have to side with Justice Breyer’s view of the Constitution—that it is not a static but rather a living document, and must be read in the context of an ever-changing world.
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/obama-constitution-is-living-document

I embrace the right to privacy, which is essential to the abortion debate.
And so my criteria, for example, would be-- if a Justice tells me that they only believe the strict letter of the Constitution-- that means that they possibly don't mean-- believe in-- a right to privacy that may not be perfectly enumerated in the Constitution but, you know, that I think is there.

I mean, the-- the right to marry who you please isn't in the Constitution. But I think all of us assume that if a state-- decided to pass a law saying, "Brian, you can't marry the woman you love," that you'd think that was unconstitutional. Well, where does that come from? I think it comes from a right to privacy-- that may not be listed in the Constitution but is implied by the structure of the Constitution.
http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/10/obama_on_supreme_court_right_t.html


Save the babies, but kill the convicts. Now that's hypocrisy.

Look, I got two daughters — 9 years old and 6 years old. I am going to teach them first about values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/03/30/sunday-meditation-obama-and-the-punishment-of-unborn-life/

"The first thing I'd do as president is sign the Freedom of Choice Act," Obama said in his July speech to abortion advocates worried about the increase of pro-life legislation at the state level.

The Freedom of Choice Act (FOCA) is legislation Obama has co-sponsored along with 18 other senators that would annihilate every single state law limiting or regulating abortion, including the federal ban on partial birth abortion.
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/jun/08061010.html

Republicans are worse.

Your party buys into Progressive initiatives which take us farther away from liberty and freedom
I welcome this debate, but we are not going to get relief by turning back to the same policies that for the last eight years doubled the national debt and threw our economy into a tailspin.

What do you think a stimulus is? It’s spending — that’s the whole point! Seriously.
http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/unhinged-obama-attacks-republicans-for-partisanship---makes-donkey-of-self/blog-256083/


 

Johnnyorganic

Well-Known Member
At least you've admitted you are indeed a threat to the conservative movement. All the whilst, claiming to be one...
I am a threat to the Republican wing of the Conservative movement. You, on the other hand, are a threat to the entire movement.
No such "right" exists.
What are you, simple or something?

Do I need to quote the Fourth Amendment once again?
You have the gall to speak of arbitrary decisions (roe v wade)? That takes the cake. As for gay marriage discrimination, no state laws, that I know of, say gays can't get married. The laws I'm familiar with say that marriage shall be defined as a union between a man and a woman. The only group being discriminated against are the hermaphrodites. Although, I'm pretty sure hermaphrodites get to legally choose which sex they will be on their birth certificate. Right John?
Defining marriage between man and woman automatically excludes gay marriage. An arbitrary distinction which is based on religious tradition. Using religion as club to discriminate under the cover of the law. You must be so proud. :twisted:
No, the specifics are dictated by elected state officials and individual citizens via referendum. Arbitrary is the courts or the feds deciding the specifics.
The merits of those cases are determined based on existing case law, which is based on the Constitution.
You certainly are.
The most cogent thing you've said all year. Statists like you tried to pigeon hole the Republicans as big tenters. I think that you are either with us patriots (R), or against us (D, third party). There can no longer be a middle ground, for the foreseeable future, if this country is to survive, as founded. Passivity is what delivered us to you statists, on a silver platter.
I never said the Republican party was a big tent, but Republicans have. Many times.

I said the Big Tent rhetoric was bullshit.

Try to keep up. :dunce:
 

ChChoda

Well-Known Member
I am a threat to the Republican wing of the Conservative movement. You, on the other hand, are a threat to the entire movement.
Oh...so you're only a threat to the wing of the conservative movement who has a prayer of reversing the statist coupe. Gotcha...

Defining marriage between man and woman automatically excludes gay marriage.
Gays have the exact same opportunity to marry as straights. The exact same opportunity. And furthermore, in the states where the state constitution or state laws, adopted by the people, allow for marriage between same sex partners, they discriminate against polygamists and practitioners of incest...should the feds dictate that unfair, too?
 

Johnnyorganic

Well-Known Member
Now that home mortgages are living documents, how's that real estate market holding up, John?
The real estate market shit the bed long before Obama manipulated it.

Although the crash was due to Progressive manipulation of the market, ala Fanny Mae.

The Republicans enabled that little initiative under Clinton. Or does your memory not reach back that far?

Choad: Statist tool. :-P
 

CrackerJax

New Member
By the way...Obama is CRANKING up Fannie & Freddie for a REPEAT performance.... their blame game worked so well....no reform...no CHANGE.
 

doc111

Well-Known Member
By the way...Obama is CRANKING up Fannie & Freddie for a REPEAT performance.... their blame game worked so well....no reform...no CHANGE.
..............kinda reminds me of a fly that keeps bumping into the window, trying to get out. It just keeps bumping into the window over and over and over..............doing the same shit over again and expecting the result to be different. :dunce::dunce::dunce:
 

ChChoda

Well-Known Member
Now that home mortgages are living documents, how's that real estate market holding up, John?
The real estate market shit the bed long before Obama manipulated it.

Although the crash was due to Progressive manipulation of the market, ala Fanny Mae.

The Republicans enabled that little initiative under Clinton.
Although I don't accept your premise, because the Democrats under Carter got the housing wrecking ball swingin via the Community Reinvestment Act back in '77, with 61 democrat senators and 292 democrat house members, clear majorities in both houses, and, the evil Republican W Bush tried to encourage the congress to address the problems concerning Fannie and Freddie on numerous occasions, which a "bi-partisan" congress did, only to be thwarted by Schumer, Frank and Dodd, among other Democrats.

But anyway, I guess what you are trying to say by not really saying anything constructive is that it's OK for courts to forcibly modify mortgages, a wholly destructive act, because Obama didn't start the problem, and, that's the downside of living and breathing contracts, but we should just live with it?
 

dukeofbaja

New Member
Although I don't accept your premise, because the Democrats under Carter got the housing wrecking ball swingin via the Community Reinvestment Act back in '77, with 61 democrat senators and 292 democrat house members, clear majorities in both houses, and, the evil Republican W Bush tried to encourage the congress to address the problems concerning Fannie and Freddie on numerous occasions, which a "bi-partisan" congress did, only to be thwarted by Schumer, Frank and Dodd, among other Democrats.
You neglected to mention that W, who in your estimation encouraged Congress to address the problems, also turned around and bragged about record home ownership and his 'ownerhsip society' in just about every state of the union address. Just thought Id mention that in case you forgot it. If you are willfully ignoring it, that's fine....
 

ChChoda

Well-Known Member
You neglected to mention that W, who in your estimation encouraged Congress to address the problems, also turned around and bragged about record home ownership and his 'ownerhsip society' in just about every state of the union address. Just thought Id mention that in case you forgot it. If you are willfully ignoring it, that's fine....
Was there record home ownership? :blsmoke:
 

Johnnyorganic

Well-Known Member
Although I don't accept your premise, because the Democrats under Carter got the housing wrecking ball swingin via the Community Reinvestment Act back in '77, with 61 democrat senators and 292 democrat house members, clear majorities in both houses, and, the evil Republican W Bush tried to encourage the congress to address the problems concerning Fannie and Freddie on numerous occasions, which a "bi-partisan" congress did, only to be thwarted by Schumer, Frank and Dodd, among other Democrats.

But anyway, I guess what you are trying to say by not really saying anything constructive is that it's OK for courts to forcibly modify mortgages because Obama didn't start the problem, and, that's the downside of living and breathing contracts, but we should just live with it?
I honestly don't expect you to accept anything that makes you look like an idiot, Choad.

You're stupid, but not that stupid.

And just what have Republicans done to reverse the situation since '77?

Not a motherfucking thing.

Even went along with added Appropriations a time or two.

Keep spouting your bullshit, Choad.

ChChoda: Statist tool.
 

ChChoda

Well-Known Member
http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2008/09/bush-called-for-reform-of-fannie-mae-freddie-mac-17-times-in-2008-alone-dems-ignored-warnings/

Bush Called For Reform of Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac 17 Times in 2008 Alone… Dems Ignored Warnings
Sunday, September 21, 2008, 12:32 PM
Jim Hoft


The White House released this list of attempts by President Bush to reform Freddie Mae and Freddie Mac since he took office in 2001.
Unfortunately, Congress did not act on the president’s warnings:
** 2001

April: The Administration’s FY02 budget declares that the size of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is “a potential problem,” because “financial trouble of a large GSE could cause strong repercussions in financial markets, affecting Federally insured entities and economic activity.”

** 2002


May: The President calls for the disclosure and corporate governance principles contained in his 10-point plan for corporate responsibility to apply to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. (OMB Prompt Letter to OFHEO, 5/29/02)

** 2003

January: Freddie Mac announces it has to restate financial results for the previous three years.

February: The Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight (OFHEO) releases a report explaining that “although investors perceive an implicit Federal guarantee of [GSE] obligations,” “the government has provided no explicit legal backing for them.” As a consequence, unexpected problems at a GSE could immediately spread into financial sectors beyond the housing market. (“Systemic Risk: Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and the Role of OFHEO,” OFHEO Report, 2/4/03)

September: Fannie Mae discloses SEC investigation and acknowledges OFHEO’s review found earnings manipulations.

September: Treasury Secretary John Snow testifies before the House Financial Services Committee to recommend that Congress enact “legislation to create a new Federal agency to regulate and supervise the financial activities of our housing-related government sponsored enterprises” and set prudent and appropriate minimum capital adequacy requirements.

October: Fannie Mae discloses $1.2 billion accounting error.

November: Council of the Economic Advisers (CEA) Chairman Greg Mankiw explains that any “legislation to reform GSE regulation should empower the new regulator with sufficient strength and credibility to reduce systemic risk.” To reduce the potential for systemic instability, the regulator would have “broad authority to set both risk-based and minimum capital standards” and “receivership powers necessary to wind down the affairs of a troubled GSE.” (N. Gregory Mankiw, Remarks At The Conference Of State Bank Supervisors State Banking Summit And Leadership, 11/6/03)

** 2004

February: The President’s FY05 Budget again highlights the risk posed by the explosive growth of the GSEs and their low levels of required capital, and called for creation of a new, world-class regulator: “The Administration has determined that the safety and soundness regulators of the housing GSEs lack sufficient power and stature to meet their responsibilities, and therefore…should be replaced with a new strengthened regulator.” (2005 Budget Analytic Perspectives, pg. 83)

February: CEA Chairman Mankiw cautions Congress to “not take [the financial market's] strength for granted.” Again, the call from the Administration was to reduce this risk by “ensuring that the housing GSEs are overseen by an effective regulator.” (N. Gregory Mankiw, Op-Ed, “Keeping Fannie And Freddie’s House In Order,” Financial Times, 2/24/04)

June: Deputy Secretary of Treasury Samuel Bodman spotlights the risk posed by the GSEs and called for reform, saying “We do not have a world-class system of supervision of the housing government sponsored enterprises (GSEs), even though the importance of the housing financial system that the GSEs serve demands the best in supervision to ensure the long-term vitality of that system. Therefore, the Administration has called for a new, first class, regulatory supervisor for the three housing GSEs: Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and the Federal Home Loan Banking System.” (Samuel Bodman, House Financial Services Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations Testimony, 6/16/04)

** 2005

April: Treasury Secretary John Snow repeats his call for GSE reform, saying “Events that have transpired since I testified before this Committee in 2003 reinforce concerns over the systemic risks posed by the GSEs and further highlight the need for real GSE reform to ensure that our housing finance system remains a strong and vibrant source of funding for expanding homeownership opportunities in America… Half-measures will only exacerbate the risks to our financial system.” (Secretary John W. Snow, “Testimony Before The U.S. House Financial Services Committee,” 4/13/05)

** 2007

July: Two Bear Stearns hedge funds invested in mortgage securities collapse.

August: President Bush emphatically calls on Congress to pass a reform package for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, saying “first things first when it comes to those two institutions. Congress needs to get them reformed, get them streamlined, get them focused, and then I will consider other options.” (President George W. Bush, Press Conference, The White House, 8/9/07)

September: RealtyTrac announces foreclosure filings up 243,000 in August – up 115 percent from the year before.

September: Single-family existing home sales decreases 7.5 percent from the previous month – the lowest level in nine years. Median sale price of existing homes fell six percent from the year before.

December: President Bush again warns Congress of the need to pass legislation reforming GSEs, saying “These institutions provide liquidity in the mortgage market that benefits millions of homeowners, and it is vital they operate safely and operate soundly. So I’ve called on Congress to pass legislation that strengthens independent regulation of the GSEs – and ensures they focus on their important housing mission. The GSE reform bill passed by the House earlier this year is a good start. But the Senate has not acted. And the United States Senate needs to pass this legislation soon.” (President George W. Bush, Discusses Housing, The White House, 12/6/07)

** 2008

January: Bank of America announces it will buy Countrywide.

January: Citigroup announces mortgage portfolio lost $18.1 billion in value.

February: Assistant Secretary David Nason reiterates the urgency of reforms, says “A new regulatory structure for the housing GSEs is essential if these entities are to continue to perform their public mission successfully.” (David Nason, Testimony On Reforming GSE Regulation, Senate Committee On Banking, Housing And Urban Affairs, 2/7/08

March: Bear Stearns announces it will sell itself to JPMorgan Chase.

March: President Bush calls on Congress to take action and “move forward with reforms on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. They need to continue to modernize the FHA, as well as allow State housing agencies to issue tax-free bonds to homeowners to refinance their mortgages.” (President George W. Bush, Remarks To The Economic Club Of New York, New York, NY, 3/14/08

April: President Bush urges Congress to pass the much needed legislation and “modernize Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. [There are] constructive things Congress can do that will encourage the housing market to correct quickly by … helping people stay in their homes.” (President George W. Bush, Meeting With Cabinet, the White House, 4/14/08

May: President Bush issues several pleas to Congress to pass legislation reforming Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac before the situation deteriorates further.

“Americans are concerned about making their mortgage payments and keeping their homes. Yet Congress has failed to pass legislation I have repeatedly requested to modernize the Federal Housing Administration that will help more families stay in their homes, reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to ensure they focus on their housing mission, and allow State housing agencies to issue tax-free bonds to refinance sub-prime loans.” (President George W. Bush, Radio Address, 5/3/08

“[T]he government ought to be helping creditworthy people stay in their homes. And one way we can do that – and Congress is making progress on this – is the reform of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. That reform will come with a strong, independent regulator.” (President George W. Bush, Meeting With The Secretary Of The Treasury, the White House, 5/19/08

“Congress needs to pass legislation to modernize the Federal Housing Administration, reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to ensure they focus on their housing mission, and allow State housing agencies to issue tax-free bonds to refinance subprime loans.” (President George W. Bush, Radio Address, 5/31/08

June: As foreclosure rates continued to rise in the first quarter, the President once again asks Congress to take the necessary measures to address this challenge, saying “we need to pass legislation to reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.” (President George W. Bush, Remarks At Swearing In Ceremony For Secretary Of Housing And Urban Development, Washington, D.C., 6/6/08

July: Congress heeds the President’s call for action and passes reform of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac as it becomes clear that the institutions are failing.
In 2005– Senator John McCain partnered with three other Senate Republicans to reform the government’s involvement in lending.
Democrats blocked this reform, too.

More… Not only did democrats not act on these warnings but Barack Obama put one of the major Sub-Prime Slime players on his campaign as finance chairperson.
 

CrackerJax

New Member
..............kinda reminds me of a fly that keeps bumping into the window, trying to get out. It just keeps bumping into the window over and over and over..............doing the same shit over again and expecting the result to be different. :dunce::dunce::dunce:
yes, that is the definition of insanity.... doing the same thing over and over again...and expecting DIFFERENT results.

The country has no leader...the country has lost it's rudder. C'mon November...c'mon 2012.

repeal repeal repeal...
 

ChChoda

Well-Known Member
I honestly don't expect you to accept anything that makes you look like an idiot, Choad.

You're stupid, but not that stupid.

And just what have Republicans done to reverse the situation since '77?

Not a motherfucking thing.

Even went along with added Appropriations a time or two.

Keep spouting your bullshit, Choad.

ChChoda: Statist tool.
 

CrackerJax

New Member
yah...17 warnings... he was dismissed by the Dem's.... then they act SURPRISED and BLAMELESS.

Uh huh...that's leadership.
 

CrackerJax

New Member
I saw the misery coming last June and took the appropriate steps. Hide the $$$$ overseas...:lol:

Now it's just a slow motion train wreck...but I'm safely in the bleachers... but still hoping the wreck can be averted.

that hope is fading though....
 
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