irishboy
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ya i have tons of pistals on all the plants. both plants look equal on the department of bud growth.
LED GROW TEST. 126W hydro grow led VS. 180W pro source LED LIGHT
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ya i have tons of pistals on all the plants. both plants look equal on the department of bud growth.
Andy Botwin
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Very true dirtyshawa.
It's far too early to make a statement like LEDGirl did. We're several weeks away from irishboy's harvest, and neither light has outperformed the other. ProSource is no more gimmicky than HGL itself. HGL is no more 'proven' or 'tested' (to quote LEDGirl) than ProSource. Those claims are unvalidated and early adopters should be very critical of all claims made by any manufacturer about virtually, untested and unproven products such as LEDGirls new-to-market units.
It's very obvious that both lights worked exceptionally well for vegetative growth. irishboy has a mighty greenthumb and I thank him for being so diligent with his Journal as this will help determine fact from fiction.
It is true, that the plants under the HGL product were marginally healthier going in, and this may be a factor when it comes time to harvest - we shall see. The health of the plants is directly proportionally to yield and potency.
For anyone tracking the progress of the HGL units, there is a Completed Journal over in LEDGirl's Forum on ICMag, that yielded well under the often claimed 2g/watt (yield was a little over an ounce per plant). Please keep in mind that the grower did have some very common problems experienced by novice growers (mild cal/mag deficiency, a few branches with a little mildew, etc). That being said, it was a fair presentation of the performance, new growers can expect, using HGLs lights. It's also fair to say that the grower will get better yields next time, now that he knows a little more about growing under LEDs. However, this is a far cry from the 2 and a half foot tall, half-pound plants that LEDGirl often refers to when she quotes the results people can obtain with her lights. Experienced, dialed in growers can achieve those results with HID and LED alike, whereas, for newer growers, it takes more than the latest LED technology to consistently match those inflated claims. Food for thought...
irish here is in a prime position to put up some big numbers - plants are lovely and problem-free. All the best irishboy, grow big!
Thanks for the update.
NOTE/DISCLAIMER:
Before LEDGirl provides us with a rant, slamming me, and going off about how I'm a skeptic and a hater, please know that I am a supporter and believer in LED lighting. I am simply skeptical of LEDGirl herself, her business practices and claims, not necessarily her LED products. Thanks to Cammie/LEDGirl, based on her interactions with members, not soley on this Forum, but her consistent lack of class at all times when members show legitimate skepticism, has led me to adopt this attitude. I am pulling for her products and sincerely hope she continues to ameliorate her interpersonal skills.
irishboy
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i highly dont recomend for people to buy just any led because a company makes claims, see the real proof from real growers posting their results. dont just belive the first journal you see with somone that hasnt been around for a while posting on here that just joined. be carful of the BS claimes. i can tell you one thing i am not into the BS i hate it, and what you see on this test is what you get. now rember each grower is differnt and most likly not get the same results as me. some will get better for being a better grower and using differnt methods, some will get worse from not being a better grower and using differnt methods, some will get the same. but regaurdless of what i get i am the same grower so their for; all of these test plants get the same level of skill i can provide them witch to me we tell me the better light out of the 2 since their from the same grower.
but i am not going to let this topic start a war on my thread!
but i am not going to let this topic start a war on my thread!
irishboy
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also to make one thing very clear where i stand on this test, since each company claims their lights are = to HID i want atleast 2-2.5oz per plant or i will not be testing leds anymore, instead i will be going back to HID, untill i see alot of respected people getting great results from leds then ill think about flowering with them agian. i can say i will use leds for veg, since i think they work great. but 2oz is my breaking point, and i think it is fair since my plants are so healthy right now? they are able to atleast get 2oz. anyone think this is a good number to expect? i figure it should easy to get that amount per plant since the companys claims its = to a 400w or a 600w HID? i am not in anyway saying i am unhappy with what i see so far with these leds i am testing. i am just stating what i at least expect to get per plant to make me use these lights for my next grows in the future.
this is the point of the test where we can see what light realy out performs then the other.
now to clear on thing up, all the plants were equal stressed from the ride home. the PS plants were more stressed from their light, because i was told to hang it @ 10" with half power. well that was still too close so i had to bumb the light to 15-16" and slowly work it down to the plants. so the stress was caused by the lights. just wanted to clear that up for some who might not know.
this is the point of the test where we can see what light realy out performs then the other.
now to clear on thing up, all the plants were equal stressed from the ride home. the PS plants were more stressed from their light, because i was told to hang it @ 10" with half power. well that was still too close so i had to bumb the light to 15-16" and slowly work it down to the plants. so the stress was caused by the lights. just wanted to clear that up for some who might not know.
Andy Botwin
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I think that is a more than fair benchmark.
That's my bad irish, I didn't mean to misinform and should have made a more complete comment. Thank you for the elaboration.
irishboy
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I think that is a more than fair benchmark.
i think thats fair because a 400w will have no problem getting atleast that.
i want to expect more from the PS 180w since they do claim it to be = to a 600w HID. with a 600w i can rock that plant.lol.
but i say 2oz is more then fair per plant. my conditions are as good as its going to get (with out co2) and my plants are very healty no problems, and they are big enoff to pack on some weight. the lights that gets me the more weight dry i will be filling my next garden up with them. thats of course if i get 2oz or more per plant.lol.
leds do have alot of good things about them mainly heat. when its 110F* outside over here i can afford to run HPS and my A/C the whole time. last time i did that my bill was out of this world. this is were leds help me alot because my plants dont ever seen to be effected by the heat outside when i am using leds. i dont get heat stress like i do with hid.
but in the winter time i need the heat from HID so either way they both help me.
That's my bad irish, I didn't mean to misinform and should have made a more complete comment. Thank you for the elaboration.
no problem
i think thats fair because a 400w will have no problem getting atleast that.
i want to expect more from the PS 180w since they do claim it to be = to a 600w HID. with a 600w i can rock that plant.lol.
but i say 2oz is more then fair per plant. my conditions are as good as its going to get (with out co2) and my plants are very healty no problems, and they are big enoff to pack on some weight. the lights that gets me the more weight dry i will be filling my next garden up with them. thats of course if i get 2oz or more per plant.lol.
leds do have alot of good things about them mainly heat. when its 110F* outside over here i can afford to run HPS and my A/C the whole time. last time i did that my bill was out of this world. this is were leds help me alot because my plants dont ever seen to be effected by the high heat when i am using leds. i dont get heat stress like i do with hid when its 95-100F* in my grow room..
but in the winter time i need the heat from HID so either way they both help me.
irishboy
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lets hope not, then that would be the worst led grow i have growen so far to this day.lol.
I know that this is going off of hear say, so you might want to take it with a grain of salt, but over on ICMag LEDGirl talks about her current customers averaging 1.8g/w. I would say that that average g/w yield would be a rough number to shoot for. I think that comes out to about a half pound for the light.
I'm just curious, can someone post a verifiable account of ledgirls 1.8-2 gm/watt yields?I'd love to see that
Take a look around this journal, http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=145484&page=6. On page 6 she shows what she got off of one plant and i think like page 2 or so she breaks down how much g/w she is getting.
irishboy
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their buding like crazy. flowers poping up all over
How long does it take on LED's to start really showing colas? Our other set-up (HPS) it seems like it is around 3 weeks. Since you have messed with LED's I figure you would have a better clue.
irishboy
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about 4 weeks from what i have seen.
Thank you for putting very eloquently what I have been thinking for months now! We must be on the same wavelength!
irishboy
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8-9 weeks this coming sat i will be on week 3