Lollipopping

Dr. Indica

Active Member
It sounds like you're relying on forum hype as gospel and that you aren't comfortable with that which goes against the grain. It also sounds like you've never read his books nor checked out his graphical scientific studies. Guess we all have our comfort zones, mine resides within scientific data, not "feel good" stuff.

I have the upmost respect for Mel Frank. Of all the pot growing authors he is truly a master gardener and understands botany like no other. His studies regarding potency were conducted by the University of Mississippi, not some cheesy cannabis hydro vendor with a profit motive. Frank has also shown in studies that males can be more potent than females. Another fact that goes against The Herd and their insatiable need for group "consensus".


Lower buds are not subjected to the stresses that destroy THC - mainly light and heat. You toast the top of your cola and I guarantee you you've done toasted some THC. Again, Mel Frank discusses and graphically shows how negative factors (air, light, heat) over time will degrade THC into less desirable cannaboids.

If you didn't get juicy trichome laden buds, then you didn't handle your garden so you could. My bowl of lower buds shows tight, solid trichome covered buds.



It's not how dense the trichome field is that drives potency, it's the cannaboid profile that counts, another fact that goes against The Herd.

Shots of sugar coated buds are for vendors, photo ops used to sell seeds.

UB

I just don't like his work, I prefer Jorge Cervantes, Ed Rosenthal, and DJ Short. I could also care less about forum consensus.....seen that phrase a lot lately.....it doesn't put buds in my bowl, I know how to grow and what works. Everyone has their own opinions, just like you feel that plants grow faster under 20/4 rather than 24/0. There are plenty of studies to show otherwise and anyone with the ability to run that test themselves will find out 24/0 will win every time. But I'm not trying to argue the point.....I'll just grow more plants in less time and keep my mouth shut. I personally would not be too impressed with any study done at the U. of Miss.....it's Miss....not MIT. I also know for a fact that males can be more potent, matter of fact 99.9% of the time the males look and grow 200x better than the females from the same stock. I was merely saying, I have never seen lower buds be more potent on any plant.....and if they were, the tops must have been subjected to serious stress by a amateur grower. I also know that it's not the amount of trichs that determines potency, another mislead belief....in strains such as WW it looks to be " snow covered " when in fact only a small percentage of what you see is what you want.....in most " white" strains this is usually the case....they are covered in trichs, but not the one's you want. Instead most of them are Cystolith trichomes and they put off insecticidal and miticidal substances to gum up pest mouth parts and they have no THC.:leaf:
 

Mark5:9

New Member
That's a feeling not a fact. I invented the technique of pruning to get 4 main colas over 10 years ago. Guys like Arjan of Greenhouse seeds copied the concept/technique as shown in a recent Youtube regarding one of his indoor gardens. If you can show otherwise, then go for it.
UB

Hey, we know that old Mel hasn't written anything in the last 13 years.. Right? A lot of things have changed in 13 years.. I bet Mel isn't even a really person it's probably just another pen name for Jorge (don't call me George) Cervantes.

Ben, LOL you did not 'invent' topping plants.. People have been pruning roses like that since before you were born. It takes some kind of crazy to try to claim that you invented it.. wow, I still can't believe your tried to pull that one. Might as well say you invented plant food or watering plants..

My 1991 (18 year old) copy of the Western Garden Book clearly points out pinching and other trimming methods for shape and for flower production. That's 8 years before you claimed to have invented it. Myth BUSTED.

Like I said, more specifically roses have been trimmed to make goblet shapes before you were born Ben and that's a long long time ago. If you look up how to trim roses for better air flow and more flowers you find that the techniques are very similar.

Thanks Ben, I needed a good laugh.
 

del66666

Well-Known Member
hey ben a guy called carpet used to top like you when i lived in essex 15 years ago, get real mate you may impress the young ones but not me. who cares who can do what, we all grow for our own reasons, i dont profess to be an expert or try and take credit for things ive read or taught by others. i still say you make fine rice though mate
 

Uncle Ben

Well-Known Member
I have to point this out...Sorry but you did say that.
The only thing you've pointed out is an ability to twist someone's words and intent as the other shit-fer-brains attempted to do. There is a difference in topping in general and pruning to get exactly 4 main colas, it's all about the end result. Perhaps some day with a little experience under your belt you'll understand the difference.
 

terrorizer805

Well-Known Member
The only thing you've pointed out is an ability to twist someone's words and intent as the other shit-fer-brains attempted to do. There is a difference in topping in general and pruning to get exactly 4 main colas, it's all about the end result. Perhaps some day with a little experience under your belt you'll understand the difference.
IMO it's the same...
Pruning, topping it's all the same differance sir. I may not have alot of personal experience in growing, but what I can say is I have read and reasearched and much as I can to fully understand a plants needs and how they grow..
 

Uncle Ben

Well-Known Member
IMO it's the same...
No it's not. Again, you don't understand plant responses, see my thread on topping to elicit 2 or 4 main colas, page one. I top to induce a certain response because of my knowledge of hormonal processes and the outcome. You may top because that's what the forum parrots said to do, hoping to get some bud.

Big difference......
 

blueybong

Well-Known Member
UB ~ The last 12 pages of this thread has been nothing more to an Ego War. This thread is not about how it's wrong to lollipop, but rather what type of results are people getting.

Life is not about doing everything by the book. Please(as we've asked a number of times before) Let it go!! You are going overboard!

 

worm5376

Well-Known Member
I invented how to smoke the shit just by looking at it !! sup del6666. Still growing that BubbleXBomb you crossed? UB is sticking to his guns and del keeps eating his rice. You're supporting the problem!!!!:cuss:
 

Uncle Ben

Well-Known Member
UB ~ The last 12 pages of this thread has been nothing more to an Ego War.
12 pages, eh? Spoken by a member that is unwilling to understand the function of a leaf, instead butchers his plants by removing branches. What can I say other than "Stupid is a stupid does".

The ego thingie is all in your mind. Replace it with solid botanical concepts.

As usual, botany takes another back seat to hype, trends, snake oils and forum parroting.

So........I look forward to your results.

UB
 

terrorizer805

Well-Known Member
No it's not. Again, you don't understand plant responses, see my thread on topping to elicit 2 or 4 main colas, page one. I top to induce a certain response because of my knowledge of hormonal processes and the outcome. You may top because that's what the forum parrots said to do, hoping to get some bud.

Big difference......

I guess, If you want to refer to yourself as a parrot, I used your topping technique.

Don't you have to do to following in order to succesfully top a plant? Topping is just a fancy just like any other fancy name, Lollipoooping

prune 2 (pr
n)
v. pruned, prun·ing, prunes
v.tr. 1. To cut off or remove dead or living parts or branches of (a plant, for example) to improve shape or growth.









 

Fred Flintstoner

Active Member
12 pages, eh? Spoken by a member that is unwilling to understand the function of a leaf, instead butchers his plants by removing branches. What can I say other than "Stupid is a stupid does".

The ego thingie is all in your mind. Replace it with solid botanical concepts.

As usual, botany takes another back seat to hype, trends, snake oils and forum parroting.

So........I look forward to your results.

UB
I think you just need to go get your jimmy wet, its apparently been dry quite a while. I am sure your tude will probably change pretty fast! Top Gun High Five UB! ;)

:dunce:
 

blueybong

Well-Known Member
Attention to all:

If you want to continue this argument/war, please go to Uncle Ben's 2/4 Topping thread or start a new thread or PM each other.

This is getting way out of control.
 

Uncle Ben

Well-Known Member
Attention to all:

If you want to continue this argument/war, please go to Uncle Ben's 2/4 Topping thread or start a new thread or PM each other.

This is getting way out of control.
Yeah, we've beat this dead horse plenty. Humor me though, I want to see your results so give me a heads up when you post them.

As an aside, you can thank your shit stirring friends del66666 and sherriberry (post 144) for starting the crap with the smart ass comments about me inventing topping (and the typical cheap shots beginning on page 6). That was nothing but a bait to stir up trouble, witness post 156 here: https://www.rollitup.org/advanced-marijuana-cultivation/244201-lollipopping-16.html

BTW, what's with the "we" and "us" drills fellas? You can't post without implying you speak for everyone? Is that supposed to be a statement about your strength, correctness? Can't any of you stand up on your own two feet without support from your gangbanging friends? Seems like Katatawnic is one of the few that knows the score.

Good luck,
UB
 

Fred Flintstoner

Active Member
Attention to all:

If you want to continue this argument/war, please go to Uncle Ben's 2/4 Topping thread or start a new thread or PM each other.

This is getting way out of control.
Even if there was such a thing as a kick function on this forum i still wouldnt have used it in this thread. I agree the argument is ridiculous, and if people voluntarily agree to disagree here then I think most of us can still remain on good terms.

Thanks bluey
 
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