Lollipopping

Uncle Ben said:

For starts, it's not new just like the mutts you guys keep buying thinking you're getting something better than what came before - you're not. It's quite funny really, every new crop of noobs thinks they are reinventing the wheel.

It's simple botany - if you remove the very unit that manufactures food for flower production, expect your yields to suffer. If you're picking out flowers located at the lowest budsites with your finger tips, I gave you a solution.

Good luck,
UB

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I feel bad for you bro. Its ok though, there are many of us with social skills of an adult that will help you along.

You can try to call people noobs and stomp on threads, but lollipopping has really worked for me and many others here. Your soap box is old and dirty, but I still got love for yah!

Roland said:

So .. U got the same yield from the one you didn't .." trim " ?

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No the only comparison was a friend here on RIU. He grew small bushes with larger yields but much larger footprints. That is certainly no comparison for testing purposes.

Uncle Ben said:

But you had no control group?

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No control group.

This was not an experiment but me trying to learn a skill set that a person who has made his living his whole life shared with me.

I don't need a control group to realize that big, full, hard buds have more appeal than popcorn.
Some get a kick from a full zip with 1 cola...kinda speaks for itself and every plant did it even though they are only 20" tall.

I don't need to be very smart to figure out I am gonna have less mold issues if I can move that very wet layer of air just above the growing medium around and out so the lower branches stay dry. I grew roses for years with over 50 varieties in my care at one time and they have mold issues too.

Don't get me wrong if I had the room for trees I would grow trees, big ones outdoors where they could truly develop into their genetic potential. Got some Jack Herer veg'n right now that will get about 3 months of 18/6 before I switch them. It seemed to make since to let them develop as much as possible before flowering if they take that long to flower.

But as far as the GD, It got to it's full height potential, made tasty, appealing and strong bud that people compared to the rare stuff around here selling for $500 a zip. I gotta think mission accomplished with a small grow, see if it scales up as it is supposed to.

I could spend years developing just the right method of growing this strain or I could trust the recipe of an experienced one on how to succeed the first time. It is not the only recipe, just one of many and like anything else the completed product will vary. But as I said here the completed product was very good for a first attempt with an unknown method/strain.

And the best part of it is that it isn't too complicated so most people can handle the skill sets and grow themselves some fine herb they can be proud of.

As a non botanist but grower of many things for many years the process of removing a lesser desirable limb so that another will be stronger and receive more energy makes complete sense. Roses are trained that way, though in no way am I saying like a lollipop. Though I dare say they maybe at times to grow a single or couple of show roses.

blueybong said:

Corwin ~ what type of light did you use?

Thanks!

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I used a 600w HPS Hortilux with a 400w MH 10k Reeflux for supplemental blue and UVB.

Enjoy.

Fred Flintstoner said:

I feel bad for you bro. Its ok though, there are many of us with social skills of an adult that will help you along.

You can try to call people noobs and stomp on threads, but lollipopping has really worked for me and many others here. Your soap box is old and dirty, but I still got love for yah!

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You seem to need a support group or club...well, I guess you found it. Have butcher will travel.

I'm here to teach botany and will not buy into forum political correctness nor do I feel the need to soothe sensitive egos. If your plants suck, I will let you know, but, I will also not leave you hanging and offer my advice. If they are well presented and you seem to know what you're doing, I'll sing your praises.

Your call....

UB

Corwin said:

No control group.

This was not an experiment but me trying to learn a skill set that a person who has made his living his whole life shared with me.

I don't need a control group to realize that big, full, hard buds have more appeal than popcorn.

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No control group, no validity or credibility in your results.

UB

Uncle Ben said:

No control group, no validity or credibility in your results.

UB

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As I stated it is a recipe for growing not the only one and I am sure not the best and certainly not a science class experiment. I did give instructions if ya wanted to flame though. So start diggin, I am sure some of those peanuts got some crunch left!

Well i know im a noob but i have been lurking around here for quite awhile and quite a few month's ago and saw this... https://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/6592-get-harvest-every-2-weeks.html he "lollipop's" or thats how it looks to me and it seem's it work's rather well in his regard...just my 2 cent's

P&P

Corwin said:

As I stated it is a recipe for growing not the only one and I am sure not the best and certainly not a science class experiment. I did give instructions if ya wanted to flame though. So start diggin, I am sure some of those peanuts got some crunch left!

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LOL, control groups, support groups, get over yourself groups? LMAO!!

Hey Corwin what kind of grow space are you dealing with? I have found even with a 600 watt and budding them starting at 20 inches still causes light loss on the lower branches halfway through flowering due ot the small space and the large fan leaves in the above canopy. I would bud shorter, but them im pushing less than 4 weeks, and my width is also nothing to brag about so bushier short plants would still result in light loss on those bottom branches. I am going to clone next time around to try and push these babies into the flower room sooner.

lollypopping is great...

so long as you have a strain that grows fast, and creates one main cola.

Uncle ben seems to overlook the big picture here...

Yes, if you DO NOT lollypop a plant... it MAY produce more than if you do...

but, the pants light footprint is 5 times larger than a plant that IS lollypopped.

For this reason, a total harvest with lollypopped plants WILL ALWAYS be larger than a harvest of un lollypopped plants...

SO LONG AS THERE IS AN INDOOR LIGHT OR A FIXED AMOUNT OF SPACE TO BE GROWN IN.

If you have a wide open field and the sun shinning, dont lollypop.

If you can make as many clones as you want, and have a fixed amount of space and/or are under a light that only has so much reach...

lollypopping allows more plants to be placed closer together, and gives you the highest yeilding part of that plant.

4 lollipopped plants can fit in 1 sqare foot. Thats saying a lot.

Thats more yield than any other method per square foot.

Hope this helps people sort this argument out... all parties are right to some extent...

http://boards.cannabis.com/advanced-techniques/51378-loly-popping.htmlRemo, aka The Urban Grower, has a video on lollipopping. I dont care for AN that much, but this stoner lives, eats, and breathes marijuana growing, so I am pretty trusting of his teachings. This video shows the results of plants that were lollipopped and given upside tomato cages. Sorry no control group.

You need to be signed in to Youtube to view since its been flagged as inappropriate content.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaNG1pN9We4

sherriberry said:

lollypopping is great...

so long as you have a strain that grows fast, and creates one main cola.

Uncle ben seems to overlook the big picture here...

Yes, if you DO NOT lollypop a plant... it MAY produce more than if you do...

but, the pants light footprint is 5 times larger than a plant that IS lollypopped.

For this reason, a total harvest with lollypopped plants WILL ALWAYS be larger than a harvest of un lollypopped plants...

SO LONG AS THERE IS AN INDOOR LIGHT OR A FIXED AMOUNT OF SPACE TO BE GROWN IN.

If you have a wide open field and the sun shinning, dont lollypop.

If you can make as many clones as you want, and have a fixed amount of space and/or are under a light that only has so much reach...

lollypopping allows more plants to be placed closer together, and gives you the highest yeilding part of that plant.

4 lollipopped plants can fit in 1 sqare foot. Thats saying a lot.

Thats more yield than any other method per square foot.

Hope this helps people sort this argument out... all parties are right to some extent...

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well said, more plants in a packed area means more fat colas for me which equates to more bud in the end compares to letting less plants grow in the same area without lollipopping. Its all a matter of environment.

Perhaps there should be a distinction made between "yield" and "useable yield" - it's my opinion (and experience) that whereas not lollipopping might give me fractionally more buds, those buds are used for making hash and butter, whereas when I lollipop, I get a much larger yield of A+ buds.

If you grow SOG, you basically need to lollipop - no ifs, ands, or buts.

Couldn't imagine not pruning in a SOG.

Fred Flintstoner said:

LOL, control groups, support groups, get over yourself groups? LMAO!!

Hey Corwin what kind of grow space are you dealing with? I have found even with a 600 watt and budding them starting at 20 inches still causes light loss on the lower branches halfway through flowering due ot the small space and the large fan leaves in the above canopy. I would bud shorter, but them im pushing less than 4 weeks, and my width is also nothing to brag about so bushier short plants would still result in light loss on those bottom branches. I am going to clone next time around to try and push these babies into the flower room sooner.

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No mine finish at 20" I veg to about 10" or 12". These are well suited for lollipop SoG style grow. My only complaint about them is they lack the frostyness that some strains have. I will be crossing a couple GD males with OGRascals The White Fems to see what happens.

To answer your other question it is 2- 4'x4' trays, ebb and flow, with a kind of mis-match set of lights. 1-1000w hps, 1-600w hps and a hood that has 2x 400w MH to add UVB and Blue spectrum. It is in between the 2 HPS lights and I try to keep taller plants under the 1000.

I am running several strains right now for various reasons but they include:

The White
Floja
Bloo Goo
Bubba Kush
Killing Kush
El Monstre
Ganesha's Dream
White Widow
Papaya Fem
Sannie's Jack
White Skunk
Purple Kush
Cindy 99 F2 off the Brothers Grimm Pineapple cut

Forgive me if I forget one I have been cutting clones and labeling all night. I still haven't sexed anything except the GD and the Fems of course.

I unlike believe in good genetics and think the more seed you pop the more likely you are to find a great pheno. So all the labeling of each cut is needed to remember where it came from.

here is what the plants look like about 7 weeks into flower.


And here is the finished product.

I like those tomato cages. I'll have to try those next grow. Plus a 600W HPS will be helpful too.

The attached pix are from gardens through the years. A few show results of secondary harvests, note the nice bulked up nugs plucked from the lowest bud sites, the ones you lollipoppers are losing out on.

If you have to remove lower branches to get more up top, then you have a cultural problem. IOW, your cultural techniques need to be corrected using fact finding methods, not some gimmick you wish to believe, not some parroted forum paradigm.

I get both fat, dense colas AND bulked up lower nugs, and you can too kiddies.

Primary harvest:








Secondary harvest:








I think some of you guys are upset with me because I don't subscribe to the prevailing Herd mindset. IOW, I retain lower leaves, don't flush, don't buy into gimmicks. I grow as a weed, because that's what it is. Being a weed, it is very easy to grow. No need to make things difficult and confusing.

Good luck,
UB

Corwin said:

here is what the plants look like about 7 weeks into flower.

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Nice job, but your yields could have been alot better with more leaf retention. (Due to the overwhelming sensitivities of the group, I have elected not to use the gawd awful "b" word here and now.)

It looks like you've either been manually removing branches or the plant has taken care of your leaf necrosis due to the use of bloom foods, which do not support leaf retention, at least not the "cannabis specific" foods which by their very nature are lame. The lower leaves are yellowing (a precursor to leaf necrosis) reflecting a N deficiency.

Good luck,
UB

Here's another example of good bud development from top to bottom. Keep in mind, these are rather tall bushes, like 48". What's that about no light penetration?



A nice bowlful of secondary harvested nugs from the lowest branches. This is from one plant. I pluck pot like I pluck apples or grapes, as they become "ripe" and are at their premium.



....and just for fun. What do you do with an unruly Vietnamese Dalat that you cannot control in spite of a dozen toppings during veg and flowering? You put it on the perimeter of the garden, and let the damn thing grow past the lights which are at least 6' off the ground!



UB