9/11 Bullsh!t

[originalstrain]

9/11 was set up i want to hear the opposing thoughts but dont post unless youve seen Zeitgeist - The Movie, 2007 please watch the whole thing if you can but if not at least watch part 2 on. part1 is just on religion skip it if u want we all know that was set up!! and please dont post if you want to just call names and not talk intelligently this is for discussions only i want to hear the other side i have my opinion and you have yours id just like to hear it!

 

[silk]

I think you need to be more clear as to what you mean by "setup". Also if you haven't check out: Swordfish (2001) and The Siege (1998/I). Both are kinda corny Hollywood films but the writing indicates people have been aware of the possibility of a massive terrorist attack on NYC and the existence of extreme black ops...

 

[originalstrain]

i mean people in our government or higher up were behind it not the terrorist were fighting now

 

[medicineman]

I believe they (Bush Regime) are capable of it, I just find it rather hard to believe they could have pulled this off without a fuck up and some exposure by any of the players. Some of the conspiracy theories are believable, but so far, un-provable. The two that most intrigue me are the Pentagon and that Bldg#7 at WTC. They both look suspicious.

 

[silk]

i mean people in our government or higher up were behind it not the terrorist were fighting now

I disagree with that. Bin Laden and Al-queda are real. I agree with Medicineman. The event was indeed suspicious.

 

[originalstrain]

I disagree with that. Bin Laden and Al-queda are real. I agree with Medicineman. The event was indeed suspicious.

of course there real i just said they didnt do 9/11 watch the movie it explains it deff. the pentagon and building 7 they really slipped up on but even the towers were setup they were imploded or they wouldnt have fallen that fast the empire stare building was hit back in the day by a b52 which is way bigger then a jet and the empire state building was way smaller what are the chances of that?? plus the trade center was built in a smarter age with better plane crash technology there no way it wasnt planed and bin laden has never been traced to the attack all we have is him admitting it once when on that tape he looked the most different then he ever has and they hate america so bad it would behoove them to take credit for somthin like that have you seen the movie? you should really watch it

 

[originalstrain]

i think there were very few people involved that weren't profiting out the ass and with billions of dollars and more promised people are likely not to talk! bush may not even have been involved i truly believe there are major people behind the curtain in charge of things. money rules all and war is the most profitable thing in the world. there are plenty of people who want money and kill for just a couple dollars so if there are people who have billions don't you think they would kill for trillions? i do and something that big and profitable would be controlled to where no one would slip and if they did they would be killed or called a lier. do you think America would believe it even if someone did say they were behind it and osama wasn't?

 

[Gygax1974]

I don't think they were behind as in planning it, but I definitely think they may have known it could have happened and had a reason to let it happen so they could use it to their advantage. And even if they didn't really know about it, they still took advantage of the situation to benefit their goals...i.e Iraq

 

[originalstrain]

have you seen the movie?

 

[originalstrain]

PLEASE don't post unless you've seen the movie it would just be like having to read a long ass explanation on my thoughts on the subject except its spoken words with moving pictures (better) so please take sometime out of your day and watch it not just for this thread but to get another side of the story other then the medias one sided propaganda please get informed it would take me days to write the information that was given in that movie!

 

[Gygax1974]

have you seen the movie?

Yes, I have seen it and quite a bit more. Remember there are two sides to every story and the truth lies somewhere in between.

 

[silk]

of course there real i just said they didnt do 9/11 watch the movie it explains it deff. the pentagon and building 7 they really slipped up on but even the towers were setup they were imploded or they wouldnt have fallen that fast the empire stare building was hit back in the day by a b52 which is way bigger then a jet and the empire state building was way smaller what are the chances of that?? plus the trade center was built in a smarter age with better plane crash technology there no way it wasnt planed and bin laden has never been traced to the attack all we have is him admitting it once when on that tape he looked the most different then he ever has and they hate america so bad it would behoove them to take credit for somthin like that have you seen the movie? you should really watch it

Maybe I misunderstood you but I was replying to: quote=originalstrain;329289]i mean people in our government or higher up were behind it not the terrorist were fighting now[/quote]

That sounds to me like you are saying Bin Laden and Al queda had nothing to do with the attacks. I don't think that's the case. If there was a setup or conspiracy it's a combination of both government involvement and Al Queda. I have seen Zeigeist and I don't think it's much different from Loose Change(Loose Change 2nd Edition Recut) in terms of speculating on the possibilities or pointing at what evidence looks suspicious.

I'm not even sure we disagree. Maybe if we were chatting over a hot drink and a fat spliff we would see eye to eye.

 

[gotdamunchies]

... the empire stare building was hit back in the day by a b52 which is way bigger then a jet and the empire state building was way smaller what are the chances of that??

The Empire state building was NOT hit by a B52, it was in fact hit by a B25 which is a hell of a lot smaller than a B52 or either one of the planes that hit the WTC...At 9:49 a.m., the ten-ton, B-25 bomber smashed into the north side of the Empire State Building. The majority of the plane hit the 79th floor, creating a hole in the building eighteen feet wide and twenty feet high.

This is why most people that ramble on about 9/11 conspiracy theories fall on deaf ears, they just dont do the research and have no clue really what they are talkin about, just along for the ride on the bandwagon of paranoid delusions.

Have any of you ever read any of this???

Debunking the 9/11 Myths: Special Report - Popular Mechanics

 

[originalstrain]

yes my bad on the b52 but thats only 1 ton less then the 12 ton jet that hit the trade centers! and the empire was a hell of a lot smaller and built weaker then the trade so.... it pretty much evens out if not worse then the trade

 

[originalstrain]

This is why most people that ramble on about 9/11 conspiracy theories fall on deaf ears, they just dont do the research and have no clue really what they are talkin about, just along for the ride on the bandwagon of paranoid delusions.


why are we jumping to the conclusion that i am that your the one rambling on about things you have no idea about ( meaning me) this is supposed to be a conversation not an attack on others opinions

 

[originalstrain]

let me read over that link you posted and say my side i dont have time right now but i will post my opinions on it in couple hours!

 

[dankie]

of course there real i just said they didnt do 9/11 watch the movie it explains it deff. the pentagon and building 7 they really slipped up on but even the towers were setup they were imploded or they wouldnt have fallen that fast the empire stare building was hit back in the day by a b52 which is way bigger then a jet and the empire state building was way smaller what are the chances of that?? plus the trade center was built in a smarter age with better plane crash technology there no way it wasnt planed and bin laden has never been traced to the attack all we have is him admitting it once when on that tape he looked the most different then he ever has and they hate america so bad it would behoove them to take credit for somthin like that have you seen the movie? you should really watch it

Actually it was a B25 that hit the empire state building on 7/28/1945
here are the specs:
Specifications (B-25J)

Data from Jane's Fighting Aircraft of World War II[9]
General characteristics

• Crew: six (two pilots, navigator/bombardier, turret gunner/engineer, radio operator/waist gunner, tail gunner
• Length: 52 ft 11 in (16.1 m)
• OpenDNS: 67 ft 6 in (20.6 m)
• Height: 17 ft 7 in (4.8 m)
• Wing area: 610 ft² (57 m²)
• Empty weight: 21,120 lb (9,580 kg)
• Loaded weight: 33,510 lb (15,200 kg)
• Max takeoff weight: 41,800 lb (19,000 kg)
• Powerplant: 2× Wright R-2600 "Cyclone" radials, 1,850 hp (1,380 kW) each

Much smaller than Boeing 757:

757-200 757-200F 757-300 Cockpit crew Two Passengers 200 (2-class)
234 (1-class) N/A 243 (2-class)
289 (1-class) Length 47.32 m (155 ft 3 in) 54.47 m (178 ft 7 in) Wheelbase 18.29 m (60 ft) 22.35 m (73 ft 4 in) Wingspan 38.05 m (124 ft 10 in) Wing Sweepback 25° Wing Aspect Ratio 7.8 Height 13.56 m (44 ft 6 in) Cabin Width 3.54 m (11 ft 7 in) Cabin Length 36.09 m (118 ft 5 in) 43.21 m (141 ft 8 in) Max. take-off weight 115,680 kg
(255,000 lb) 123,600 kg
(272,500 lb) Take-off Run at MTOW 9,550 ft (2,911 m) 9,600 ft (2,926 m) Cruise speed .80 OpenDNS (530 mph, 458 knots, 850 km/h at 35,000 ft cruise altitude) Range, loaded 7,222 km (3,900 NM)
-200WL: 7,600 km (4,100 NM) 5,834 km (3,150 NM) 6,421 km (3,467 NM) Max. fuel 43,490 L (11,489 US gal) 42,680 L (11,276 US gal) 43,400 L (11,466 US gal) Service ceiling 12,800 m (42,000 ft) Engines (2×) Rolls-Royce RB211, Pratt & Whitney PW2037, PW2040, or PW2043 turbofan engines
rated at 36,600 lbf (163 kN) to 43,500 lbf (193 kN) thrust each

If you'll notice a 757 is about 3 times the size and about 7 times heavier. The fuel in a 757 weighs more than the entire b25.

 

[originalstrain]

actually i misread your post im sorry the 2 jets that hit the twin towers were 2 tons heavier then the b25 so it looks like you need to get YOUR facts straight!

 

[originalstrain]

thank you dankie you beat me 2 it

 

[originalstrain]

but the 757 hit a much sturdier building built with stronger materials and was built to handle a lot more damage then the empire so....